nvidia 580 underperforming?

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Cerminy

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hi guys, i just installed my new gtx 580. and im testing it and what not.
i upgraded from an 8800gts g92 and well, the difference in performance was obvious. however, i did feel a bit surprised when i went on and tried crysis. i thought that finally i would be able to run the game maxed out with decent fps.however, i found it a bit sluggish.
so, i ran the warhead benchmark to see what you guys think. is it performing the way it should?
also, in the nvidia control panel i set ambient occlusion to quality and AF to 16x
(system specs appear in the benchamrk results.)


DirectX 10 ENTHUSIAST 3X @ Map: frost @ 0 1680 x 1050 AA 16xQx
==> Framerate [ Min: 23.28 Max: 47.23 Avg: 32.51 ]
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz @ 2653 Mhz
CPU ID: Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
Physical memory: 5.99 GB
Display adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 1536 MB
Driver version: 8.17.12.6309 (20101109000000.000000-000)

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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1882, Recorded Time: 56.90s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 59.39s, Average FPS: 31.69
Min FPS: 23.35 at frame 623, Max FPS: 44.36 at frame 1514
Average Tri/Sec: -3614340, Tri/Frame: -114053
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.64
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 58.05s, Average FPS: 32.42
Min FPS: 23.28 at frame 622, Max FPS: 47.23 at frame 1515
Average Tri/Sec: -3203902, Tri/Frame: -98817
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.89
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 57.73s, Average FPS: 32.60
Min FPS: 23.28 at frame 622, Max FPS: 47.23 at frame 1515
Average Tri/Sec: -3253250, Tri/Frame: -99795
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.87
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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12/10/2010 23:37:50 - Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate

DirectX 10 ENTHUSIAST 3X @ Map: frost @ 0 1680 x 1050 AA 16xQx
==> Framerate [ Min: 23.28 Max: 47.23 Avg: 32.51 ]
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DirectX 10 ENTHUSIAST 1X @ Map: frost @ 0 1680 x 1050 AA 4xx
==> Framerate [ Min: 29.79 Max: 52.02 Avg: 38.94 ]]

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz @ 2653 Mhz
CPU ID: Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
Physical memory: 5.99 GB
Display adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 1536 MB
Driver version: 8.17.12.6309 (20101109000000.000000-000)

TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1882, Recorded Time: 56.90s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 48.33s, Average FPS: 38.94
Min FPS: 29.79 at frame 1671, Max FPS: 52.02 at frame 1572
Average Tri/Sec: -3854376, Tri/Frame: -98971
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.89
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed))
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DirectX 10 CUSTOM 1X @ Map: frost @ 0 1680 x 1050 AA 4xx
==> Framerate [ Min: 40.26 Max: 71.01 Avg: 50.44 ]
(gamer quality only enthusiast shaders.
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1882, Recorded Time: 56.90s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 37.31s, Average FPS: 50.44
Min FPS: 40.26 at frame 1661, Max FPS: 71.01 at frame 1571
Average Tri/Sec: -24712788, Tri/Frame: -489945
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.38
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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What kind of Power supply is running your rig? How many drives and what kind of drives? What motherboard is this on? Can you run higher than 1680x1050? Have you tried overclocking your i7? Did you do a clean install of the driver?
 
x3sphere said:
Try enabling or disabling VSync.
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Good point, however OP Vsync should be disabled anyway, so make sure it is, you shouldn't experience tearing as your not going to exceed (by FPS) your monitors refresh rate 60-75hz. From your benchmarks it appears your max is in the mid 50s.

In case you weren't aware you can get tearing if your fps exceeds your refresh rate e.g. 72fps @ 60hz but since your below your refresh rate with your fps vsync will only kill your performance needlessly.
 
i have a 750 watt silverstone olympia, 3 hdd everything installed on a samsung 1tb f3 spinpoint. the other ones are only for video storage.
i have an evga x58 sli. dont remember the exact model. its one of the simpler ones.
i cant do higher than 1680x1050. and i havent tried overclocking my i7 because im having some temperature problems and until i get a new heatsink i wont overclock it.
and yes i did do a clean install. i used driver sweeper to uninstall previous drivers and i selected the clean install option when installing the drivers.

vsync is turned off.

anyway, im just wondering if the results i have shown you are what you would expect from my system or is there a possibility that my gtx 580 is underperforming.
 
I ran the heaven benchmark at max settings. these where my results.

Unigine
Heaven Benchmark v2.1
FPS:
33.2
Scores:
837
Min FPS:
15.9
Max FPS:
76.5

Render: direct3d11
Mode: 1680x1050 8xAA fullscreen
Shaders: high
Textures: high
Filter: trilinear
Anisotropy: 16x
Occlusion: enabled
Refraction: enabled
Volumetric: enabled
Replication: disabled
Tessellation: extreme
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"Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz @ 2653 Mhz"

Are you running the CPU at stock speeds? If so, that is probably your bottleneck.
 
evilsofa said:
"Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz @ 2653 Mhz"

Are you running the CPU at stock speeds? If so, that is probably your bottleneck.
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Yeah, Crysis really loves high CPU clocks; there's pretty much a linear scaling when overclocking the CPU in that game.
 
yup im running at stock speeds. i explained why above.
anyway, that does help explain why crysis isnt performing as expected.

thank you guys.
 
Cerminy said:
yup im running at stock speeds. i explained why above.
anyway, that does help explain why crysis isnt performing as expected.

thank you guys.
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Again, I don't think there's anything wrong. You're simply running into a CPU bottleneck. The i7 920 is a great CPU, but it really needs that overclock to fully support the GTX580 at that rather low resolution. You're gonna want to get it to 3.6+ ghz. Same problem with Heaven benchmark, I'll wager.

With my earlier 9800GX2, I pretty much went from like 30-35 fps to 40+ fps in Crysis(original) by going from 3ghz to 3.8ghz on my qx9650.
 
Yup you need to OC the cpu since it looks like you're getting serious bottleneck. Whenever you get your new heatsink in and can dial up the cpu speed that should help a lot. But really to max Crysis at 60 FPS and Enthusiast, I would think you'd need two video cards.
 
Yeah 3.6 would be a good OC and easy to reach on your CPU on air, When you start getting into 2x you need 3.8, then 3x 4.0 and 4x 4.2. But most benchmarks are heavily affected by CPU so any increase even higher than the GPU needs will make the numbers better. In my experience the GPU OCs yield significantly less gain than the CPU OCs. My numbers may be slightly low for the 580s I have had much less stick time with them.
 
Cerminy said:
yup im running at stock speeds. i explained why above.
anyway, that does help explain why crysis isnt performing as expected.

thank you guys.
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Cerminy, don't listen to all the bullshi*t from other people about how the CPU holding your scores back. I bet they've never tried to run the game at all enthusiast with 16xAA + AO.

For reference, these are my scores on an overclocked GTX 570, running on an i7 @ 3.48 GHz.

DirectX 10 ENTHUSIAST 3X @ Map: frost @ 0 1680 x 1050 AA 16xQ
==> Framerate [ Min: 21.47 Max: 37.71 Avg: 30.29 ]

Now with gamer quality + enthusiast shaders, no AO:
DirectX 10 CUSTOM 3X @ Map: frost @ 0 1680 x 1050 AA 4x
==> Framerate [ Min: 35.29 Max: 60.07 Avg: 50.13 ]
 
Run unigine 2.1 bench and see what you get, with the same setting as me, here's my result :

PNY GTX 580 stock.

 
here are my unigine scores. same settings. only difference is i have an i7 920 @ 2.67
Unigine
Heaven Benchmark v2.1
FPS:
33.2
Scores:
837
Min FPS:
15.9
Max FPS:
76.5

Render: direct3d11
Mode: 1680x1050 8xAA fullscreen
Shaders: high
Textures: high
Filter: trilinear
Anisotropy: 16x
Occlusion: enabled
Refraction: enabled
Volumetric: enabled
Replication: disabled
Tessellation: extreme
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Cerminy said:
here are my unigine scores. same settings. only difference is i have an i7 920 @ 2.67
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pretty much the same results as me. The little difference is probably due to my CPU being OCed to 4.0 an d yours stock.
I think your GTX 580 is perfectly fine, though im no expert. I should install crysis and see what i get too.
 
Nicolas554 said:
pretty much the same results as me. The little difference is probably due to my CPU being OCed to 4.0 an d yours stock.
I think your GTX 580 is perfectly fine, though im no expert. I should install crysis and see what i get too.
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that would be awesome.
let me see if i can overclock my cpu a bit and run the heaven benchmark.
 
When you get better cooling try OCing that CPU. Crysis likes higher clocks to begin with, then add in that 1680x1050 is somewhat of a CPU limited screen res as well; that could be the problem.

Are there any other games you play that you can max out and run FRAPS or something? If it still under-performs then it could just be a bad card you would need to RMA.
 
well crysis is the most demanding game i have,
i run bad company 2 maxed out with no problem.
 
Proxy said:
When you get better cooling try OCing that CPU. Crysis likes higher clocks to begin with, then add in that 1680x1050 is somewhat of a CPU limited screen res as well; that could be the problem.

Are there any other games you play that you can max out and run FRAPS or something? If it still under-performs then it could just be a bad card you would need to RMA.
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I already debunked what you said by posting my benchmark numbers. Also, Warhead contains a number of CPU optimizations that make it more friendly on the CPU than the original. At enthusiast settings, it's almost completely GPU limited.
 
You should try installing Cuban's Custom Crysis Config. Honestly it looks better than Enthusiast settings and you'll get great framerates from it. Give it a shot and then retry your benchmarks. If your not happy with it, it will easily back out it's changes and you can go back to enthusiast.
 
superbooga said:
I already debunked what you said by posting my benchmark numbers. Also, Warhead contains a number of CPU optimizations that make it more friendly on the CPU than the original. At enthusiast settings, it's almost completely GPU limited.
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after your post i felt a lot calmer. it made sense.
i believe i was just being a little paranoid.
 
well i got myself a venous x cpu heatsink and i couldnt be happier.
i oced my 920to 3.6 ( 3.77 with turbo) and i mildly oced my gtx 580 to 815 shader and 2050 mem.
here are my results. its a clear improvement.
later il post some 3d mark and heaven benchmark results.
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz @ 3591 Mhz
CPU ID: Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
Physical memory: 5.99 GB
Display adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 1536 MB
Driver version: 8.17.12.6309 (20101109000000.000000-000)

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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1882, Recorded Time: 56.90s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 50.60s, Average FPS: 37.20
Min FPS: 26.77 at frame 1644, Max FPS: 48.24 at frame 1540
Average Tri/Sec: -3659245, Tri/Frame: -98375
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.90
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 49.42s, Average FPS: 38.08
Min FPS: 26.77 at frame 1644, Max FPS: 49.02 at frame 1566
Average Tri/Sec: -3411715, Tri/Frame: -89598
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 2.09
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 49.63s, Average FPS: 37.92
Min FPS: 26.77 at frame 1644, Max FPS: 49.02 at frame 1566
Average Tri/Sec: -3268640, Tri/Frame: -86195
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 2.17
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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12/30/2010 16:46:00 - Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate

DirectX 10 ENTHUSIAST 3X @ Map: frost @ 0 1680 x 1050 AA 16xQx
==> Framerate [ Min: 26.77 Max: 49.02 Avg: 38.00 ]
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here are my resluts without the gpu overclock.
DirectX 10 ENTHUSIAST 3X @ Map: frost @ 0 1680 x 1050 AA 16xQx
==> Framerate [ Min: 27.24 Max: 46.38 Avg: 36.13 ]
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you cpu is fine, crysis is all about the gpu.

the problem is that you have AA way too high.

why 16xaa?
 
well ingame im using only x8. however im trying to run transparescy supersampling as high as possible. this game needs it.

read the rest of the thread, i was just trying to find out if my gpu was performing as it should.
 
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