NVIDIA 445.87 and Hotfix 445.98 Driver Issues

FrgMstr

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Any of you guys seeing problems with these drivers on your NV GPUs? Thanks.
 

pendragon1

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ive seen several people here having issues since .75 came out but nothing with .98 yet...
are you having problems?
 

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Just played a bit of Borderlands 3 and didn't notice any issues with .98 hotfix drivers.
 

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I haven't seen any issues. Running pascal here though, which may be a different ballgame.
 

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I downloaded it from the geforce driver forum. You can probably get it from guru3d as well.
 

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After updating to 87 recently I was having frequent terrible stuttering down to 30 fps. intalled the 98 hotfix, and seems to have made that go away.
 

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After updating to 87 recently I was having frequent terrible stuttering down to 30 fps. intalled the 98 hotfix, and seems to have made that go away.
GTX970, assed up stuttering in BF4 -- going from ~110FPS to around 10FPS. Would be fine one map, borked the next. Tried burying settings even more, but even on the lowest preset it wouldn't recover.

And then I'd start the game up again and it'd be fine. And then the next map ass.

We'll see what this hotfix does!
 

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Had all my collatz tasks fail on those drivers. Haven't tried the hotfix, just stopped running the project for now.
 

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Update: BF4 running like it should again with 445.98

However, the driver version says that it is 432.00... which probably worked just as well. Is anyone else seeing that instead of the 445.98 hotfix version? GFE keeps trying to get me to 'upgrade' to 445.87 :)
 

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Control Panel was missing on install with 445.87 haven't tired the latest.
 

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Control Panel was missing on install with 445.87 haven't tired the latest.
DCH version of the driver requires you download the control panel separately from the Microsoft Store.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/nvidia-control-panel/9nf8h0h7wmlt?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

You can still download the standard driver which includes the control panel by removing the "DCH" from the URL.
https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/445.87/445.87-desktop-win10-64bit-international-whql.exe
 

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Update: BF4 running like it should again with 445.98

However, the driver version says that it is 432.00... which probably worked just as well. Is anyone else seeing that instead of the 445.98 hotfix version? GFE keeps trying to get me to 'upgrade' to 445.87 :)
I don't use the geforce experience but in the nvidia control panel>system information I am seeing 445.98. Probably just a small bug.
 

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I don't use the geforce experience but in the nvidia control panel>system information I am seeing 445.98. Probably just a small bug.
Well, then it looks like I'm probably on 432.00, as that's what it says everywhere.

I'll reinstall and see if that fixes it...
 

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The 98's fixed HDR for a couple games (like Borderlands 3).
Totally unrelated to the visual side of things, the HDMI audio driver has been wonky for the last couple releases, though. Mine keeps resetting my speaker array and disabling Atmos.
 

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The 98's fixed HDR for a couple games (like Borderlands 3).
Totally unrelated to the visual side of things, the HDMI audio driver has been wonky for the last couple releases, though. Mine keeps resetting my speaker array and disabling Atmos.
I've seen plenty complaints about the audio driver, as well. I don't think they updated it since the initial 440 release.
 

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Totally unrelated to the visual side of things, the HDMI audio driver has been wonky for the last couple releases, though. Mine keeps resetting my speaker array and disabling Atmos.
My main complaint is that it keeps getting installed. Then Windows decides that it needs to be the new audio output, because it's new, and because the speakers are disabled on my monitor, I have to take a moment to remember to switch back to one of my sound devices and then go in and disable the monitor's audio again.

This may be a Windows thing more than an Nvidia thing, but it'd be nice to be able to turn that off perpetually.
 

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My main complaint is that it keeps getting installed. Then Windows decides that it needs to be the new audio output, because it's new, and because the speakers are disabled on my monitor, I have to take a moment to remember to switch back to one of my sound devices and then go in and disable the monitor's audio again.

This may be a Windows thing more than an Nvidia thing, but it'd be nice to be able to turn that off perpetually.
When you install new Nvidia drivers, do you have the ability to uncheck that option so it doesn't install at all? I know some things seem to get installed no matter what you do, but you can definitely opt out of a few things.
 

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When you install new Nvidia drivers, do you have the ability to uncheck that option so it doesn't install at all? I know some things seem to get installed no matter what you do, but you can definitely opt out of a few things.
Yep, uncheck everything but the drivers, the audio device still gets enabled and selected. Very annoying.
 

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did you select "disable windows driver updates" in the options? the new version i used last week doesnt have it enabled by default.
I didn't; the security side of me cautions against disabling updates (and this one isn't breaking, just annoying, occasionally...)
 

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I didn't; the security side of me cautions against disabling updates (and this one isn't breaking, just annoying, occasionally...)
it doesnt disable all updates just driver updates so it doesnt grab stuff off the server before you have a chance to install the ones you want.
 

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No, no issues with nVidia drivers, since Riva TNT2......so that's like what? 1956 or so.
 

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I didn't; the security side of me cautions against disabling updates (and this one isn't breaking, just annoying, occasionally...)
Could probably be the reason why your driver was replaced with the 432.00 version. Could also be why the audio driver keeps getting installed even when you deselect the option. There is no issue with simply disabling automatic driver updates.
 

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Could probably be the reason why your driver was replaced with the 432.00 version. Could also be why the audio driver keeps getting installed even when you deselect the option. There is no issue with simply disabling automatic driver updates.
That will not last much longer:

Beginning with the next MAJOR update of Windows 10 (the "2004," or specifically the forthcoming May 2020, version), the device driver updates will be moved to the "Optional Updates" section of the Windows Update page. That means that the Microsoft driver will not download or install automatically by default.
 

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I just realized that this latest one did break something for me. Randomly while playing COD Modern Warfare, the screen will fade out to black and then come back. Almost like an 80's gameshow transition to the next scene if you know what i mean.


Super odd, it does it every now and then. But gameplay wise, its perfectly fine. I hope they fix this immediately.
 

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That will not last much longer:

Beginning with the next MAJOR update of Windows 10 (the "2004," or specifically the forthcoming May 2020, version), the device driver updates will be moved to the "Optional Updates" section of the Windows Update page. That means that the Microsoft driver will not download or install automatically by default.
I have no faith in this actually working. I'd guess vendors will still be allowed to force updates.

Why do I have no faith in MSFT?
I had to deal with MSFT and Dell forcing outdated Intel GPU, "Waves Audio" junk, and "Killer Network" trash drivers onto my laptop (XPS 15 7590).
Force install new drivers --> WU overwrites it a few days later.
Force install new drivers with Safe mode, Drive Store Explorer, Device Manager, and DDU --> WU overwrites it a few days later.
All of the above, plus registry fix to prevent WU from updating any driver whatsoever --> WU overwrites it a few days later.
All of the above, plus group policy preventing WU from updating specific drivers (Audio, Network, GPU) --> WU overwrites it a few days later.
All of the above, while restoring to Dell OEM recovery image --> WU overwrites it a few days later.
All of the above, minus OEM image, and using clean Win10 install --> WU overwrites it a few days later.

Repeat the last two 4-8x, each. You are not misreading that.

I see Intel has now released universal drivers, but I have since sold off that garbage laptop from a vendor that will never get my money again. Rivet (Killer) "uninstaller/blocker" still allowed a service to slip through and Windows Update still forced a service and driver through. The audio was most infuriating. Old GPU drivers, I could almost live with. Killer's malware, I could almost tolerate. Waves Audio completely butchering audio output, inducing stutters (DPC improved greatly without it) and not being removable really pushed me over the edge. Some combination of the GPU drivers and Waves Audio also lead into the Nvidia GPU drivers (which were updated) BSODing the laptop (very reliably). Dell support correctly diagnosed it as a software problem, and just said: "pay up more for Software support" after hours on the phone.

An 8 month struggle to deal with this eventually pushed me away from:

Dell, Intel, & MSFT, in order of distaste (and willingness to ever purchase something from them in the future).
 

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Using .98 I've seen a couple blue screen crashes I can't seem to diagnose. Getting some artifacting in the bottom third of my 2nd display. Resolved by turning 1st monitor on/off a few times. Also seeing issues switching output to the 2nd display, although that has been an issue in the last few releases.
 

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I have no faith in this actually working. I'd guess vendors will still be allowed to force updates.

Why do I have no faith in MSFT?
I had to deal with MSFT and Dell forcing outdated Intel GPU, "Waves Audio" junk, and "Killer Network" trash drivers onto my laptop (XPS 15 7590).
Force install new drivers --> WU overwrites it a few days later.
Force install new drivers with Safe mode, Drive Store Explorer, Device Manager, and DDU --> WU overwrites it a few days later.
All of the above, plus registry fix to prevent WU from updating any driver whatsoever --> WU overwrites it a few days later.
All of the above, plus group policy preventing WU from updating specific drivers (Audio, Network, GPU) --> WU overwrites it a few days later.
All of the above, while restoring to Dell OEM recovery image --> WU overwrites it a few days later.
All of the above, minus OEM image, and using clean Win10 install --> WU overwrites it a few days later.

Repeat the last two 4-8x, each. You are not misreading that.

I see Intel has now released universal drivers, but I have since sold off that garbage laptop from a vendor that will never get my money again. Rivet (Killer) "uninstaller/blocker" still allowed a service to slip through and Windows Update still forced a service and driver through. The audio was most infuriating. Old GPU drivers, I could almost live with. Killer's malware, I could almost tolerate. Waves Audio completely butchering audio output, inducing stutters (DPC improved greatly without it) and not being removable really pushed me over the edge. Some combination of the GPU drivers and Waves Audio also lead into the Nvidia GPU drivers (which were updated) BSODing the laptop (very reliably). Dell support correctly diagnosed it as a software problem, and just said: "pay up more for Software support" after hours on the phone.

An 8 month struggle to deal with this eventually pushed me away from:

Dell, Intel, & MSFT, in order of distaste (and willingness to ever purchase something from them in the future).
That alone almost completely wipes out your entire list of laptop buying options, as every single big-name PC brand is also forcing this heavy-handed update-reverting process. Your only choices now outside of MSFT are a Chromebook or a MacBook.

And all this is because MSFT is now pushing the DCH graphics driver model, but big-name OEMs for the most part refuse to support it when it comes to Intel GPU drivers.

That is why my next laptop purchase at any time within the foreseeable future will be a MacBook. I will, however, continue to use MSFT on my desktop as I do not currently have an Intel CPU with an IGP whose drivers MSFT could potentially screw around with.
 

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That alone almost completely wipes out your entire list of laptop buying options, as every single big-name PC brand is also forcing this heavy-handed update-reverting process. Your only choices now outside of MSFT are a Chromebook or a MacBook.

And all this is because MSFT is now pushing the DCH graphics driver model, but big-name OEMs for the most part refuse to support it when it comes to Intel GPU drivers.

That is why my next laptop purchase at any time within the foreseeable future will be a MacBook. I will, however, continue to use MSFT on my desktop as I do not currently have an Intel CPU with an IGP whose drivers MSFT could potentially screw around with.
I have not had this problem with Lenovo, so far. On my XPS 15, the biggest annoyance was still seeing Killer Networking (service from Rivet) being forced through Windows Update when I was on my ~6th or so clean install of Win10, and the laptop had not had the Killer Networking card installed since install #2.

At that point, I gave up on Dell entirely. They may have nice looking specs, especially with the new XPS lineup, but they aren't getting my money again.
 

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Related to this - we haven't seen a new official driver in more than a month. Hopefully they have something ready to go for the May Win 10 update rollout.
 
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