Nintendo, Microsoft & Sony Deathmatch

[RancidWAnnaRIot]

This isn't an academic research paper... if you don't believe him look it up yourself... and keep the thread on topic.

the person making the claim is really the one that sould post proof and evidence...

i don't care enough to search for myself.. however.. if you make a claim.. back it up

 

[Psychotext]

Anybody can edit Wikipedia information. I didn't check where Wikipedia is sourcing the information, but I can go on there right now and say that Nintendo holds 100% of the market if I wanted to.

Correct, but you can also see who edited the information and what sources they give to back up their information. If you want to rely on face value then Wikipedia is no good, but if you're willing to use your brain it's fine.

 

[sgpigeon]

That may be. I, personally, like the fact that MS didn't unnecesarily throw it in the box to make us pay more. I like the "we gave people a choice" argument. because it makes a lot of sense.

Why spend $600 on that, though, when I can get an HD-DVD drive for $199?

But to each his own.

Okay. I was not going to say anything, but this talk about "giving people a choice" strikes a bad nerve with me. So here it goes:
The first HD DVD player in the US was released on April 18th 2006 made by Toshiba. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD#History (while i know wikipedia may not be always the most factual, it was the fastest way to find this type of information, if its wrong by a month or so..it doesnt really matter in this case).
The xbox360 was released on November 22, 2005. Now for those of you that dont follow. There was no choice possible. They are releasing an HD-DVD player now because the technology is available, not because MS is giving you options, to combat the evolution of the bluray. If xbox360 would have been released in november like ps3 and Wii, you can bet your balls that it would include HD-DVD to push the format and it would allow it to compete more with the ps3 hardware specs. This wasnt directed to the person I quoted, many people were stating this reasoning.

ps. no fan-boy here. I only got a Wii preorder, and wont get a nextgen disc player...for a longgggg time.

 

[Psychotext]

Okay. I was not going to say anything, but this talk about "giving people a choice" strikes a bad nerve with me.

The funny thing about this is that arguably for choice there should be a blu-ray addon available too. Can't see that happening for a long time though can you?

 

[Isaacav2]

My wife is evidence of Nintendo's long term strategy at work. She loves her D.S. (Brain Ages, Cooking Mama) and wants to buy the Wii as soon as its out. (my wife is Japanease/Dutch)

Nintendo is executing their plan very well by winning people over as we speak (clutch_enable 1), judging by momentum ..... I seriously feel that N has THE best chance at holding the #1 spot for most of the next gen term. If anything N certainly has the least amount of risk and the highest potential for gain.

 

[lesman]

Okay. I was not going to say anything, but this talk about "giving people a choice" strikes a bad nerve with me. So here it goes:
The first HD DVD player in the US was released on April 18th 2006 made by Toshiba. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD#History (while i know wikipedia may not be always the most factual, it was the fastest way to find this type of information, if its wrong by a month or so..it doesnt really matter in this case).
The xbox360 was released on November 22, 2005. Now for those of you that dont follow. There was no choice possible. They are releasing an HD-DVD player now because the technology is available, not because MS is giving you options, to combat the evolution of the bluray. If xbox360 would have been released in november like ps3 and Wii, you can bet your balls that it would include HD-DVD to push the format and it would allow it to compete more with the ps3 hardware specs. This wasnt directed to the person I quoted, many people were stating this reasoning.

ps. no fan-boy here. I only got a Wii preorder, and wont get a nextgen disc player...for a longgggg time.

Very good point(s). But my view on it is this: if MS were to mandate that games be created on HD-DVD media, THEN we'd have a problem here. But the drive is for simple HD-DVD playback, so it's not a huge deal to me. To me and many others, its simple; an HD-DVD player for $199.

 

[Psychotext]

But my view on it is this: if MS were to mandate that games be created on HD-DVD media, THEN we'd have a problem here.

There's only one way they could do that and it work. They'd have to send everyone with a "first gen" 360 a hd-dvd drive. That's a whole lotta drives!

 

[VoodooChi|d]

Very good point(s). But my view on it is this: if MS were to mandate that games be created on HD-DVD media, THEN we'd have a problem here. But the drive is for simple HD-DVD playback, so it's not a huge deal to me. To me and many others, its simple; an HD-DVD player for $199.

Technically it's not a player though. It's a reader. Without the 360 it would be useless.

Without HDMI it's likely to be completely useless ~2010.

 

[dotK]

Technically it's not a player though. It's a reader. Without the 360 it would be useless.

Without HDMI it's likely to be completely useless ~2010.

Or MS might know something we don't, like the ICT won't be used for many years beyond that. I find it hard to believe they'd release something that will only be useful for 3 years.

 

[Martyr]

Or MS might know something we don't, like the ICT won't be used for many years beyond that. I find it hard to believe they'd release something that will only be useful for 3 years.

LOL



ad infinium

 

[DarkLegacy]

This will be an excellent gen for gamers. Sonys strong arming tactics of that massive developer support has slipped alot when MS came into the picture. That is something that makes me very happy. The Xbox 360 should hold me over for a good while before I do decide to drop the amount (at the time) for an PS3. The Sony console will always be very heavily backed up by a huge margain of Japanese developers, so of course, you will still see alot of RPG based content, & some creative software come out from there. It will be atleast a year before I even consider a PS3 however seeing the limited amount of exclusive games it will have in its first years. Most of those being more of the Same Ow with pumped up graphics. Pretty much the same deal when the 360 came out but for $399, it was worth it ^^. I feel the PS3 is being way to overhyped anyways. It will still ge a game console before anything else to me. The Wii however, Im getting on its launch. $249 is awesome for a new console & I think it will be fairly decent of a system. Will be great for older guest that can be interactive with the software instead of knowing button patterns & what not.

-DarkLegacy

 

[VoodooChi|d]

Or MS might know something we don't, like the ICT won't be used for many years beyond that. I find it hard to believe they'd release something that will only be useful for 3 years.

It's possible... but AFAIK 2010-2012 was the range when ICT was supposed to take effect.

 

[r_a_s88]

IMO, i think they'll turn out about equally...i've always kinda separated gaming into 3 demographics that each one singles out pretty well

Wii - for the interactive sort, like kids and "kiddish" adults
Sony - for the all-in-one media center supreme sort, like those who own 54" plasmas and shiit
XB360 - for the early adopters, the ones that want to be on the bleeding edge before anyone else

i dont see the xbox360 selling many more consoles after the other next-gen consoles debut

anyway, i think they'll all share about an equal piece of the gaming market pie

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Never say never... it's possible. I believe other divisions of Sony aren't doing so hot and I'm sure the battery recall hurt them.

Sony's unlikely to go Sega at this point, however, it's worth noting that 3 years ago the company was worth roughly $41 billion, today it's worth around $29 billion. You don't lose 30% of the value of your business in 3 years unless you are *seriously* fucking up. If Bluray tanks, PS3 will become, effectively, the game industry's biggest joke and Sony will limp to the finish line of this generation with a whimper. So far, it's not looking good for Bluray, either, with HD-DVD having generally better reviews, more movies, far more player adoption (though that hasn't been stellar either), etc. With MS's new $200 HD-DVD player hitting the market and Wal Mart soon to be selling $400 models, there's less reason than ever to look at the $1,000+ Bluray players.

I think you people who expect Sony to have a commanding lead again are just fooling yourselves. It's looking far more like we'll end up with a 30/30/40 split going MS/Sony/Nintendo. I was at both the PS3 and Wii preorder events this last week and there were easily 5 times as many people lined up for Wii as for PS3. I got to my GS at 9:40AM for the PS3 pre-orders and there were 11 people in line--only TWO got preorders. I got to the Wii line at 9:30AM to find at least 100 people outside my local gamestop, so I quickly drove to the nearest mall and lined up there when the mall doors opened at 9:45AM. I was #14 in line and got my preorder, and by the time I left there were another 50 people in line behind me. The manager said they had 50 preorder slots available, and this particular store had gotten 6 PS3 slots.

At least as far as preorders go, Wii has *already* outsold PS3, and as far as supply goes it's already clear that Wii will outsell PS3--and maybe Xbox 360--through the entire holiday season. What happens after that will really be the interesting part.

Jason

 

[Martyr]

IMO, i think they'll turn out about equally...i've always kinda separated gaming into 3 demographics that each one singles out pretty well

Wii - for the interactive sort, like kids and "kiddish" adults
Sony - for the all-in-one media center supreme sort, like those who own 54" plasmas and shiit
XB360 - for the early adopters, the ones that want to be on the bleeding edge before anyone else

i dont see the xbox360 selling many more consoles after the other next-gen consoles debut

anyway, i think they'll all share about an equal piece of the gaming market pie

please define "kiddish" adult for me

 

[RancidWAnnaRIot]

IMO, i think they'll turn out about equally...i've always kinda separated gaming into 3 demographics that each one singles out pretty well

Wii - for the interactive sort, like kids and "kiddish" adults
Sony - for the all-in-one media center supreme sort, like those who own 54" plasmas and shiit
XB360 - for the early adopters, the ones that want to be on the bleeding edge before anyone else

i dont see the xbox360 selling many more consoles after the other next-gen consoles debut

anyway, i think they'll all share about an equal piece of the gaming market pie

I disagree completely with that..

 

[r_a_s88]

please define "kiddish" adult for me

eh, i said it wrong

i mean like "kid at heart", like active, moving your hands while you play games, getting into it, etc

i dont mean like "zomg im 30 and want to play the newest pokemon game!!11!1!1one" kiddish.

sorry.

 

[desultadox]

This time Microsoft has done EVERYTHING right. However, even if all RPGs were exclusive to 360, the japanese would still not buy it. They are a xenophobic race. The country of Japan is approximately 91%+ Japanese, and it is ridiculously difficult to earn citizenship in the nation if you are not of Japanese descent. But in the long run it should do better than its predecessor. In the US I fully expect the 360 to crush the PS3. Europe should yield a similar result.

On the japanese side of things, Sony has done it again. Just when i think no console can be worse than the PS2, here comes the PS3! It's got more problems than this forum can handle. Couple that with the insane amount of negative publicity Sony has received lately, from racist advertisements to exploding batteries and the requisite Retarded-Sony-Comments(TM) plus the fact that the Wii has won over just about everybody (especially in Japan) and it seems like it's time for Sony to wake up and smell the roses.

My global predictions for the end of this war: 360: 40%, Wii/PS3: 30% +/- 5% each.

 

[Psychotext]

My global predictions for the end of this war: 360: 40%, Wii/PS3: 30% +/- 5% each.

I can't tell you how happy it would make me to see them all finish on exactly 35%

 

[GilmourD]

I can't tell you how happy it would make me to see them all finish on exactly 35%

But... That would give you a total of 105%. :-P Are 5% going to extraterrestrial peoples?

 

[ellover009]

Sony's unlikely to go Sega at this point, however, it's worth noting that 3 years ago the company was worth roughly $41 billion, today it's worth around $29 billion. You don't lose 30% of the value of your business in 3 years unless you are *seriously* fucking up. If Bluray tanks, PS3 will become, effectively, the game industry's biggest joke and Sony will limp to the finish line of this generation with a whimper. So far, it's not looking good for Bluray, either, with HD-DVD having generally better reviews, more movies, far more player adoption (though that hasn't been stellar either), etc. With MS's new $200 HD-DVD player hitting the market and Wal Mart soon to be selling $400 models, there's less reason than ever to look at the $1,000+ Bluray players.

I think you people who expect Sony to have a commanding lead again are just fooling yourselves. It's looking far more like we'll end up with a 30/30/40 split going MS/Sony/Nintendo. I was at both the PS3 and Wii preorder events this last week and there were easily 5 times as many people lined up for Wii as for PS3. I got to my GS at 9:40AM for the PS3 pre-orders and there were 11 people in line--only TWO got preorders. I got to the Wii line at 9:30AM to find at least 100 people outside my local gamestop, so I quickly drove to the nearest mall and lined up there when the mall doors opened at 9:45AM. I was #14 in line and got my preorder, and by the time I left there were another 50 people in line behind me. The manager said they had 50 preorder slots available, and this particular store had gotten 6 PS3 slots.

At least as far as preorders go, Wii has *already* outsold PS3, and as far as supply goes it's already clear that Wii will outsell PS3--and maybe Xbox 360--through the entire holiday season. What happens after that will really be the interesting part.

Jason

Of course the PS3 is going to be outsold, the will has produced 4million units instead of sony's supposiverly 400,000 . As for the will launch having more people has two things to it, #1 the wii prerelease launch was better advertised, not that many people knew a lot about the ps3 prerelease than the ps3. Variable #2 is the price, it's new technology, sony does have an tendency to overcomplicate things, I bet they would have offered a more affortable system and as good of as system if they used normal pc processor, and drop the blue-ray dvd player and they could have launched a year ago and still had a good system. The wii is a lot more affortable, nintendo took a less risky approach and there is good chance that it won't have many trouble units.
What system is for me, honestly the wii doesent offer much besides zelda, nintendo has a history of making weird controllers since the nintendo 64. I am done with buying memory cards, this is gonna be 2007, I would not like to invest on memory cards when a hard drive can be found good priced and offer a lot more memory (I am a pc gamer). At this moment I have in the stable a 8bit nintendo with 40 games, N64, gave away the ps1 was gonna replace with ps2 but opted for xbox since it had a hard drive and superior graphics.
I don't want to discredit the wii, I have not tested the console or the controller so I don't want to rag on it, I noticed controller makes a big difference in games. I own burnout for the xbox, my friend has the ps2 version, I noticed the controller on the ps2 is a little less sensive with the analogs, on the xbox you turn it, it turns no delays, the trigger on the xbox made it exellent for racing games. Here's another example look up the review at ign and gamespot of capcom vs snk 2 eo, look up both the Game Cube version and the xbox version, you will see how the controller was not accurate enough on the GC version, I can testify, me and my friend bought the game, he has the gc ver I bought the xbox version since I don't plan on getting owned when I go over. When you try to jump on the GC ver it's more difficult when you go airborne.
So for me either xbox 360 or ps3, I am a power hog and I like not having to purchase memory or accessories to get my system running.

 

[CopyCat]

Sony has done it again. Just when i think no console can be worse than the PS2, here comes the PS3!

I am not sure how many people would agree with this statement.

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As far as the turnout. This hype and talk always happens before consoles are released and generally I take most of it with a grain of salt. I think eventually the PS3 will outsell both other consoles, but not by nearly as much as the PS2 dominated the market.
I think the Wii is a far cry, and will lose its luster quickly. But, I am probably one of the only people who feel that way.
I think Microsoft is taking its first step in possibly becoming the leader in console gaming but I hope not by much, because we could easily be looking at another Windows with the XBOX if the PS fails and Microsoft takes over.

I for one would love a 33/33/33 spilt between the consoles....that would be nice=)

 

[VoodooChi|d]

This time Microsoft has done EVERYTHING right. However, even if all RPGs were exclusive to 360, the japanese would still not buy it. They are a xenophobic race. The country of Japan is approximately 91%+ Japanese, and it is ridiculously difficult to earn citizenship in the nation if you are not of Japanese descent. But in the long run it should do better than its predecessor. In the US I fully expect the 360 to crush the PS3. Europe should yield a similar result.

On the japanese side of things, Sony has done it again. Just when i think no console can be worse than the PS2, here comes the PS3! It's got more problems than this forum can handle. Couple that with the insane amount of negative publicity Sony has received lately, from racist advertisements to exploding batteries and the requisite Retarded-Sony-Comments(TM) plus the fact that the Wii has won over just about everybody (especially in Japan) and it seems like it's time for Sony to wake up and smell the roses.

My global predictions for the end of this war: 360: 40%, Wii/PS3: 30% +/- 5% each.

Charging for XBL... not including a HDD in their "entry level" model... no HDMI on either model... overheating issues... failing HDD's... Microsoft has hardly done everything right... and blaming the Japanese lack of interest of Xbox systems on made up claims of xenophobia is borderline racist...

"Just when i think no console can be worse than the PS2, here comes the PS3! It's got more problems than this forum can handle"

Uhhh what? First of all... it's not out yet...
Second... Sure some of the first rev. PS2's had problems... as did some of the first rev. Xbox's... but the first rev. 360's have had way more than their fair share of problems. Of the people who I know that have one... all of them had to send theirs back at least once. Others have had to a couple times.

I know it's popular to hate Sony but please be reasonable in your arguments.

 

[Trimlock]

HOLY BAD INFORMATION BATMAN!

Charging for XBL... not including a HDD in their "entry level" model... no HDMI on either model... overheating issues... failing HDD's... Microsoft has hardly done everything right... and blaming the Japanese lack of interest of Xbox systems on made up claims of xenophobia is borderline racist...

I'm sorry but charging for an excellent service such as XBL being wrong? I'll chalk that up to being crazy notion #1

not including an HDD in an entry level product that is probably a whole 10% of their sales? wow crazy notion #2

No HDMI even though it means jack and shit, and probably not going to be used as the issued standard till 2010? crazy notion #3

Over heating issues? something of which microsoft, people on these forums, people on other forums have disproven? crazy notion #4

failing HDD's??? wow haven't heard of this being widespread! actually I have yet to have anyone make this out as a complaint, congrats on being the first! crazy notion #5

racism over the word xenophobia? WOW, remind me not to call you and asshole, you might get your lawyers on me

Uhhh what? First of all... it's not out yet...
Second... Sure some of the first rev. PS2's had problems... as did some of the first rev. Xbox's... but the first rev. 360's have had way more than their fair share of problems. Of the people who I know that have one... all of them had to send theirs back at least once. Others have had to a couple times.

I know it's popular to hate Sony but please be reasonable in your arguments.

no, the first rev's of the PS2's were the biggest peices of shit I ever bought, I tried to watch a dvd on one and it looked crappier then a 3rd grades crayon drawing, don't get me started on the damn heat problem my first one had an external brick which burned out (they were rare but some had them) and my second one thought i was trying make toast or something, and the 360's still in its first revision and is doing fine, better then expected

(just to let you know, I have an xbox360, 5 of my friends around me have an Xbox360, guess how many of us had to return ours???? ZERO, guess how many released models had to be returned?? less then 3% omg these have a better success ratio then microwaves!!)

oh you did state something correct in your post though, the PS3 is indeed not out yet, something it should have been back in summer

edit: by all means defending the PS3 isn't a bad thing, I don't hate the PS3 the only thing I dislike about the console is its complexity, but don't throw out false facts as if they are hard facts about other consoles to make the PS3 seem all that much better or not that much worse off.

 

[RancidWAnnaRIot]

Of course the PS3 is going to be outsold, the will has produced 4million units instead of sony's supposiverly 400,000 . As for the will launch having more people has two things to it, #1 the wii prerelease launch was better advertised, not that many people knew a lot about the ps3 prerelease than the ps3. Variable #2 is the price, it's new technology, sony does have an tendency to overcomplicate things, I bet they would have offered a more affortable system and as good of as system if they used normal pc processor, and drop the blue-ray dvd player and they could have launched a year ago and still had a good system. The wii is a lot more affortable, nintendo took a less risky approach and there is good chance that it won't have many trouble units.
What system is for me, honestly the wii doesent offer much besides zelda, nintendo has a history of making weird controllers since the nintendo 64. I am done with buying memory cards, this is gonna be 2007, I would not like to invest on memory cards when a hard drive can be found good priced and offer a lot more memory (I am a pc gamer). At this moment I have in the stable a 8bit nintendo with 40 games, N64, gave away the ps1 was gonna replace with ps2 but opted for xbox since it had a hard drive and superior graphics.
I don't want to discredit the wii, I have not tested the console or the controller so I don't want to rag on it, I noticed controller makes a big difference in games. I own burnout for the xbox, my friend has the ps2 version, I noticed the controller on the ps2 is a little less sensive with the analogs, on the xbox you turn it, it turns no delays, the trigger on the xbox made it exellent for racing games. Here's another example look up the review at ign and gamespot of capcom vs snk 2 eo, look up both the Game Cube version and the xbox version, you will see how the controller was not accurate enough on the GC version, I can testify, me and my friend bought the game, he has the gc ver I bought the xbox version since I don't plan on getting owned when I go over. When you try to jump on the GC ver it's more difficult when you go airborne.
So for me either xbox 360 or ps3, I am a power hog and I like not having to purchase memory or accessories to get my system running.

you are aware that nintendo has hinted many times that you will be able to connect external USB harddrives to the wii right?

it's not 100% confirmed.. but they arne't denying it..

 

[Technoob]

: Microsoft has hardly done everything right... and blaming the Japanese lack of interest of Xbox systems on made up claims of xenophobia is borderline racist...

.

It's not racist to point out facts. The japanese historically don't receive foreign products well, whether they are cars, tvs, or in this case game systems. Anyone who has lived or worked there knows that the Japanese have very picky buying habits and one of their main criteria is company of origin. Don't cry racist just because you don't understand something that's demonstrably true.

 

[VoodooChi|d]

HOLY BAD INFORMATION BATMAN!



I'm sorry but charging for an excellent service such as XBL being wrong? I'll chalk that up to being crazy notion #1

Not so sure about that batman comment but whatever...

When it looks the PS3 will offer more than 75% of XBL's features for free I certainly don't see an advantage to paying for it. XBL is an excellent service but that doesn't mean it's worthy of a fairly pricey subscription. It is only a gaming lobby and content provider.

not including an HDD in an entry level product that is probably a whole 10% of their sales? wow crazy notion #2

When devs can't design a game knowing it will have a HDD it is certainly a problem.

No HDMI even though it means jack and shit, and probably not going to be used as the issued standard till 2010? crazy notion #3

HDMI is non-proprietary. That alone makes it the best option. Not only that it allows both digital audio and HD video to travel over 1 small cable, compared to 5 needed for analog audio and video on the 360. It is digital, whereas 360 has no digital video connection.

Over heating issues? something of which microsoft, people on these forums, people on other forums have disproven? crazy notion #4

2 of my friends that have sent theirs in have been because of overheating issues. I never heard anything about anyone proving this was false. In fact, they just recently had a press release saying they were extending their 3 month warranty to a 1 year warranty based on the numerous faulty 360's.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6158147.html

failing HDD's??? wow haven't heard of this being widespread! actually I have yet to have anyone make this out as a complaint, congrats on being the first! crazy notion #5

While it hasn't been as common as the overheating issues. There have been many people with HDD failures. This was the reason the other 2 people I know who have 360's had to send theirs in to be fixed.

racism over the word xenophobia? WOW, remind me not to call you and asshole, you might get your lawyers on me

Who said it was over the word? I said that unfounded claims that they are xenophobic is a something which many people would agree is borderline racist.

no, the first rev's of the PS2's were the biggest peices of shit I ever bought, I tried to watch a dvd on one and it looked crappier then a 3rd grades crayon drawing, don't get me started on the damn heat problem my first one had an external brick which burned out (they were rare but some had them) and my second one thought i was trying make toast or something, and the 360's still in its first revision and is doing fine, better then expected

(just to let you know, I have an xbox360, 5 of my friends around me have an Xbox360, guess how many of us had to return ours???? ZERO, guess how many released models had to be returned?? less then 3% omg these have a better success ratio then microwaves!!)

oh you did state something correct in your post though, the PS3 is indeed not out yet, something it should have been back in summer

I'm sorry about your experience with the PS2. I have had mine since Christmas of the launch year and it has never had a problem playing games or movies.

EA has stated the 360 returns have been closer to 30-50%. Another 3rd party said that the number was somewhere around 35%. MS even recently came out and said "[They] recently noticed a higher than usual number of units coming in for repair." From the same article: "The MS representative could not provide us with an exact figure for the failure rate, but it's clearly above the three to five percent range that MS had been claiming originally."

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=13902

I don't know where you got your "less than 3%" figure but it is lower than even MS was originally claiming, and flat out wrong.


BTW... we get it.. you like question marks... it doesn't matter if it's a question or not. Also one will simply not do... 3,4, or 5 must be used.

Your post makes the English language cry.

 

[Trimlock]

When it looks the PS3 will offer more than 75% of XBL's features for free I certainly don't see an advantage to paying for it. XBL is an excellent service but that doesn't mean it's worthy of a fairly pricey subscription. It is only a gaming lobby and content provider.

considering we have very little information on it, i'd say this isn't true at all, not to mention a service for free, while already loosing money on the console itself isn't going to help sony out, so there is going to be money spent somewhere

When devs can't design a game knowing it will have a HDD it is certainly a problem.

hasn't stopped them yet

HDMI is non-proprietary. That alone makes it the best option. Not only that it allows both digital audio and HD video to travel over 1 small cable, compared to 5 needed for analog audio and video on the 360. It is digital, whereas 360 has no digital video connection.

I know exactly what HDMI does, and it seems almost useless at this point in time and or the near future, I could care less if its digital or analog

2 of my friends that have sent theirs in have been because of overheating issues. I never heard anything about anyone proving this was false. In fact, they just recently had a press release saying they were extending their 3 month warranty to a 1 year warranty based on the numerous faulty 360's.

thats cool, I had mine from launch day and it gets warm but no overheating issues as of yet, from the readings on the net it seems MS is doing a very good job on getting working consoles out to the masses

While it hasn't been as common as the overheating issues. There have been many people with HDD failures. This was the reason the other 2 people I know who have 360's had to send theirs in to be fixed.

this is the first time i've heard of the HDD's being the problem, it is the nature of hard drives to fail how ever, most common peice of equipment out of the computer to fail, also can be the longest lasting peice of hardware too

Who said it was over the word? I said that unfounded claims that they are xenophobic is a something which many people would agree is borderline racist.

its not racist, nothing he said was racist, american's are also xenophobic, the poster was saying they were being more xenophobic in regards to the consoles

I'm sorry about your experience with the PS2. I have had mine since Christmas of the launch year and it has never had a problem playing games or movies.

EA has stated the 360 returns have been closer to 30-50%. Another 3rd party said that the number was somewhere around 35%. MS even recently came out and said "[They] recently noticed a higher than usual number of units coming in for repair." From the same article: "The MS representative could not provide us with an exact figure for the failure rate, but it's clearly above the three to five percent range that MS had been claiming originally."

bad experiences are bad experiences, i never blamed sony for my failing systems, it just caused alot of aggrevation but I still had a PS3 up until about 2 years ago before i joined the military, never played it, didn't plan on it, kinda wished i still had it but i'm not about to go out and pick one up

35% is still increadibly false, i'll believe upwards of 10% failure rate, but nother over that, if thats true then MS is burning through 360's faster then they would be able to produce them

BTW... we get it.. you like question marks... it doesn't matter if it's a question or not. Also one will simply not do... 3,4, or 5 must be used.

Your post makes the English language cry.

you are breaking my heart

 

[VoodooChi|d]

It's not racist to point out facts. The japanese historically don't receive foreign products well, whether they are cars, tvs, or in this case game systems. Anyone who has lived or worked there knows that the Japanese have very picky buying habits and one of their main criteria is company of origin. Don't cry racist just because you don't understand something that's demonstrably true.

While there is some truth it is a bit of an overstatement. Much of the lack of the Japanese purchasing American products has to do with economics rather than a "fear" of American products.

http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/01/03/the-xbox-360-and-japanese-nationalism/

Very good article that puts an end to this theory.

 

[VoodooChi|d]

considering we have very little information on it, i'd say this isn't true at all, not to mention a service for free, while already loosing money on the console itself isn't going to help sony out, so there is going to be money spent somewhere

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=68677&page=1

There's a pretty good amount of information.

They will make money just like MS is making money. From people buying the online content. In the article you will read that Sony is planning on having a huge iTunes-like store with tons of content for people to now watch/play on their entertainment center.

hasn't stopped them yet

We don't know what devs will be able to do when they design a game knowing it will have a hard drive. We will find out soon though.

I know exactly what HDMI does, and it seems almost useless at this point in time and or the near future, I could care less if its digital or analog

For those of us who have HDMI connections on our TV's it is anything but useless. Almost any new HDTV you buy is going to have a HDMI connection on it so I don't see it being useless in their near future either. Being able to carry a TrueHD surround sound and a 1080p signal over one wire is certainly better than needing 5 to carry an analog 1080i video signal and plain ol' stereo signal.

thats cool, I had mine from launch day and it gets warm but no overheating issues as of yet, from the readings on the net it seems MS is doing a very good job on getting working consoles out to the masses

I'm glad you aren't having a problem. It is very frustrating to those who are... and there are many of those who are frustrated.

this is the first time i've heard of the HDD's being the problem, it is the nature of hard drives to fail how ever, most common peice of equipment out of the computer to fail, also can be the longest lasting peice of hardware too

Well they are failing.

I have never had a HDD fail on me. I have had a video card, memory, optical disk drive, and fans all fail but never a HDD. I would like some proof on the "most common" statement.

its not racist, nothing he said was racist, american's are also xenophobic, the poster was saying they were being more xenophobic in regards to the consoles

The OP said "They are a xenophobic race"

35% is still increadibly false, i'll believe upwards of 10% failure rate, but nother over that, if thats true then MS is burning through 360's faster then they would be able to produce them

I'm more prone to believing 2 different 3rd parties over MS. Like Sony, they have been known to lie more than a few times.

 

[todlerix]

Ya'll should just pm eachother ^_^

PS3/Wii FTW!

down with xbox 360! its smelly!

 

[nullzero]

Wii takes SD cards correct? If thats the case can slip in a 2gig $30 SD card and there is your hardrive and storage...

 

[drizzt81]

Around 2010 I expect MS to be working on the Xbox 720, Sony PS4 and Wiii to be close to finished as well.

 

[Psychotext]

But... That would give you a total of 105%. :-P Are 5% going to extraterrestrial peoples?

No, the extra 5% takes account of all the items that are "shipped" that are really just replacements for the broken gear!

 

[Psychotext]

We don't know what devs will be able to do when they design a game knowing it will have a hard drive. We will find out soon though.

Yeah, we do. It's called the xbox and it really didn't make much of a difference. Sony fans were saying there was no need for the integrated hard-drive for games then... now that the PS3 has a hard drive are they changing their tune?

 

[VoodooChi|d]

No, the extra 5% takes account of all the items that are "shipped" that are really just replacements for the broken gear!

Then it would have to be AT LEAST 135% just to account for the 360

Yeah, we do. It's called the xbox and it really didn't make much of a difference. Sony fans were saying there was no need for the integrated hard-drive for games then... now that the PS3 has a hard drive are they changing their tune?

Meh. I think the original Xbox had a good idea with the HDD but it never was implemented well. The Xbox never got that much support from devs so it's unknown what full industry support plus "expected" broadband can do. Also it was so small that it was somewhat limited in that aspect as well. I wouldn't say it was needed either but it certainly was a nice feature.

Some games are going to require HDD's so that alone makes the "Core 360" ridiculous...
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060208-6138.html

 

[Psychotext]

I think the core 360 is a particularly stupid idea, and always will. I've been against it having no hard drive since I heard about it.

 

[cb9fl]

For those of us who have HDMI connections on our TV's it is anything but useless. Almost any new HDTV you buy is going to have a HDMI connection on it so I don't see it being useless in their near future either. Being able to carry a TrueHD surround sound and a 1080p signal over one wire is certainly better than needing 5 to carry an analog 1080i video signal and plain ol' stereo signal.

The difference between 1080i and 1080p is hardly as noticeable as some want to make it. I spent quite some time demoing tvs before I purchased my 51" and most people I went with couldn't tell a difference between 720p and 1080i let alone 1080i and 1080p.

Having TrueHD audio is great if you're running an optimized sound system including a great amplifier and high quality speakers. For the vast majority of console buyers that simply is not a reality. Most people will be playing this through their Polk/Yamaha/Bose(yuck)/Sony speakers. Good luck hearing the difference on those.

Having HDMI is of course better than not having it but the actual benefit is marginal.

 

[STANG22GT]

WOW, this is a lot of reading. Anyway some comments about the price of XBL
and I have to say that for me, it paid for itself just on money I saved on phone calls. I live in Germany so just to call the next town is crazy expensive. I have friends in Germany and U.S. I have talked with them for more than 100 hours all togheter, that is a lot of money for calls. Pre-360 phone bill average 80 eur (100$) post-360 40 eur (50$)

I was going to wait for the PS3 but when it got delayed I decided to try the 360,
I had a lot of fun. I still get the PS3 but probably next summer.

 

[erwos]

you are aware that nintendo has hinted many times that you will be able to connect external USB harddrives to the wii right?

it's not 100% confirmed.. but they arne't denying it..

Except for the fact that they did deny it: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home...lid-q--a-after-nintendos-wii-event-200732.php

As for the marketshare question: I'm hoping for an even split globally, but that strikes me as unlikely. I think that the actual distribution might vary widely per region - in Japan, the PS3 and Wii will be closer matched, whereas you'll see a tighter race in NA and Europe, or possibly even an Xbox 360 lead. I don't think you'll see any of the consoles go above 50% marketshare anywhere.