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Nexus-Five thread

Trimlock said:
I was just reading opinions in the two platforms and i see devs praising dalvich more and more.
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While Dalvik might present a bit more overhead than that of a natively written C app(at least in theory), its not what is responsible for some of Android's battery issues. Google's own lower level services seem to be more and more of a battery drain lately.
 
Grazehell said:
While Dalvik might present a bit more overhead than that of a natively written C app(at least in theory), its not what is responsible for some of Android's battery issues. Google's own lower level services seem to be more and more of a battery drain lately.
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Im not sure if the lower level would be the major culprit. Apple etters power consumption by strict management of background tasks as well as utilizing slower hardware with a smaller screen.

I think the biggest thing that differentiates (outside of third party software) is physical hardware. Next would be software, but it appears overhead isnt the big problem anymore.
 
On my phone the top offenders are cell radio, wifi radio and display.

The actual app / software stack battery use seems to be lost in the noise.
 
Trimlock said:
Im not sure if the lower level would be the major culprit. Apple etters power consumption by strict management of background tasks as well as utilizing slower hardware with a smaller screen.

I think the biggest thing that differentiates (outside of third party software) is physical hardware. Next would be software, but it appears overhead isnt the big problem anymore.
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I already stated why the power consumptions have so much of big difference already.

It has nothing to do with overhead. That is just for performance issue, which will always be there as long as it's a Java App.
 
The main thing to look forward to in the new Nexus: that camera. As long as that's accurate, the big lens points to a much stronger focus on photography. I'm not expecting much more than the G2's 13-megapixel camera, but that still means a stabilized camera with better quality than the Nexus 4 offers.

As for the iPhone, I think Apple was wise to throttle multitasking at first; it probably should have opened the taps more with iOS 6, but at least there's significantly more flexibility in iOS 7.
 
T4rd said:
I know they're two completely different platforms, but if iOS can last all day with a 1430 mAh battery, Android should last at least a couple days with a 2300+ mAh battery. I hope this is what they focus on in the next major revision. Large batteries are only masking the real issue and they take longer to charge.
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iOS has two pretty huge advantages on that front though - small screen & low resolution. The current crop of Android phones have 5" 1080p screens. That's 50% larger in surface area (meaning bigger backlights, which are quite power hungry), as well as 2.8x more pixels. That's a hell of a lot more CPU, GPU, and memory bus work just to keep the framebuffer full of pixels, to say nothing of rendering those pixels. Not surprising that a 60% larger battery doesn't make up the difference.
 
kllrnohj said:
iOS has two pretty huge advantages on that front though - small screen & low resolution. The current crop of Android phones have 5" 1080p screens. That's 50% larger in surface area (meaning bigger backlights, which are quite power hungry), as well as 2.8x more pixels. That's a hell of a lot more CPU, GPU, and memory bus work just to keep the framebuffer full of pixels, to say nothing of rendering those pixels. Not surprising that a 60% larger battery doesn't make up the difference.
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It was the same with pre 1080p screens though, the only phone that offered good stock battery life was the razr maxx and even it had about the same screen on time, really good talk time though.
 
I really hope they beef up the camera. The Nexus 4 camera kind of sucked. Also, hardware MPEG encoder for faster miracast
 
elzeus said:
It was the same with pre 1080p screens though, the only phone that offered good stock battery life was the razr maxx and even it had about the same screen on time, really good talk time though.
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Not entirely true. If you look at Anand's iPhone 5 review ( http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/13 ) you'll see the HTC One X was just about right there with it in the battery tests. 37% larger screen area, 27% more pixels, and 25% larger battery. The battery isn't quite large enough to offset the increased screen and pixels, but it's a lot closer than the current top of the line Android phones and surprise surprise, it gets a lot closer to the iPhone 5's battery life.
 
Trimlock said:
Im not sure if the lower level would be the major culprit. Apple etters power consumption by strict management of background tasks as well as utilizing slower hardware with a smaller screen.

I think the biggest thing that differentiates (outside of third party software) is physical hardware. Next would be software, but it appears overhead isnt the big problem anymore.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45367788
A Kernel Devs take on it

I don't necessarily agree, but a lot of problems are coming from the Google Services. Android needs a serious improvement in the PowerManager department and how the OS handles Wakelocks and pending app requests in the background.

Unfortunately for Mako and for us Google/CAF is not using the latest Kernel Power drivers that for example Manta does. I don't know why to be honest. I tried merging them once but things went kaboom after I flashed it for reasons that I'm too tired to explain at the moment. Not saying that the problem is that Power drivers, but the newer implementation that is used on Manta is much improved from Mako's code (which is pretty old in that department). These drivers are responsible for the PowerManagement routines from the Kernel side, wakelocks, suspend etc etc. Also Mako doesn't have a proper idle-state scaling like Manta or Tuna does, and that is also a big letdown. With proper C-state implementation the device wouldn't need to use Hotplugging to reduce power usage. I could go on and on. If the new Nexus comes with a proper modem solution, not this USB crap that we have, I'm sure things will be so much better in the long run.
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elzeus said:
It was the same with pre 1080p screens though, the only phone that offered good stock battery life was the razr maxx and even it had about the same screen on time, really good talk time though.
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If we are to talk about the RAZR MAXX era, we also had the Note2.

Then we still had larger screens with higher resolutions on android phones when compared to the iPhone. We also had much less efficient SoC's running a majority of those devices.

Don't get me wrong, Android is for sure a reason for the lesser battery life argument.

Grazehell said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45367788
A Kernel Devs take on it
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Interesting take on Manta, didn't think it was that big of a difference. I'd like to see the difference in power usage during idle states with the newer power drivers.

Maybe that's what's so big about 4.4, maybe it does use the newer code from Manta.
 
I just hope Google doesn't increase the base price of the Nexus 5 much from the Nexus 4. I'm especially nervous because the Snapdragon 800 has only appeared in very expensive, very large, monster phones. Hopefully going with that doesn't force them to up the base price by more than $30 or so (similar to what happened with the Nexus 7).
 
King of Heroes said:
I just hope Google doesn't increase the base price of the Nexus 5 much from the Nexus 4. I'm especially nervous because the Snapdragon 800 has only appeared in very expensive, very large, monster phones. Hopefully going with that doesn't force them to up the base price by more than $30 or so (similar to what happened with the Nexus 7).
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If I had to guess, I'd say pricing will line up with Nexus 10.

In fact - I wouldn't be surprised if they continued to sell the Nexus 4 into next year simply to have a cheaper alternative.
 
ComputerBox34 said:
If I had to guess, I'd say pricing will line up with Nexus 10.

In fact - I wouldn't be surprised if they continued to sell the Nexus 4 into next year simply to have a cheaper alternative.
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If they offer a 32GB model for under $450, I'm sold.
 
ComputerBox34 said:
If I had to guess, I'd say pricing will line up with Nexus 10.

In fact - I wouldn't be surprised if they continued to sell the Nexus 4 into next year simply to have a cheaper alternative.
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They've already dropped the price of the N4 though, so if they retained the $300-$350 prices of the previous Nexus flagships, they'll already have a cheaper alternative.

I'll bet they use the S600 instead of the S800 to keep the price down. I just hope they offer something with more than 16 GBs for once, even if they have to charge $400+ to do it.
 
I've had the N4 since Early Dec and I think I might skip out on this next generation of phones or just pick one up next summer/fall as my N4 will be close to 2 years old then. I think we have gotten to the point with smartphones where the speed increases are not as noticeable as they once were.

The camera is "good enough" for me (although sure I wish it were better), 16GB is enough storage, and the S4Pro is fast enough. Although spec wise I am sure the N5 will be a big upgrade, I just don't see it being actually that much of an upgrade over the N4 to justify buying it. I think the N4 to N5 will be somewhat like the Nexus 1 to the Nexus S where it was a decent upgrade spec wise but still performed about the same
 
T4rd said:
They've already dropped the price of the N4 though, so if they retained the $300-$350 prices of the previous Nexus flagships, they'll already have a cheaper alternative.

I'll bet they use the S600 instead of the S800 to keep the price down. I just hope they offer something with more than 16 GBs for once, even if they have to charge $400+ to do it.
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Based on the FCC filings, it looks like it will have a S800 and not the 600 based on SW versions of the test devices given to the FCC
 
T4rd said:
They've already dropped the price of the N4 though, so if they retained the $300-$350 prices of the previous Nexus flagships, they'll already have a cheaper alternative.

I'll bet they use the S600 instead of the S800 to keep the price down. I just hope they offer something with more than 16 GBs for once, even if they have to charge $400+ to do it.
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TBH I have a hard time believing going back to S600 will make any meaningful difference in material costs, especially since you'd still have to add a separate cellular radio instead of just using the integrated one in S800.
 
Trombe said:
TBH I have a hard time believing going back to S600 will make any meaningful difference in material costs, especially since you'd still have to add a separate cellular radio instead of just using the integrated one in S800.
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I do think the S600 is much cheaper however the adreno330 in the S800 is vey sought after with the 4k recording down to being able to do 120fps 720p recording as well as the different processes for picture and increase in megapixel support.

The cpu in it is marginal as i doubt we will see any performance differences between the two outside of lame canned benchmarks.

And the integrated lte radio is icing, i cant wait to see how the new nexus can have 500 different lte bands!
 
This phone uses Snapdragon 800, is made by LG, running Key Lime Pie (or KitKat at the moment), and surprisingly lightweight ;) Is it the Nexus 5? To answer that question, do you guys really think the new version of the G2 will run on 4.4?
 
iTravis said:
This phone uses Snapdragon 800, is made by LG, running Key Lime Pie (or KitKat at the moment), and surprisingly lightweight ;) Is it the Nexus 5? To answer that question, do you guys really think the new version of the G2 will run on 4.4?
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Seeing lg's past i wouldnt be surprised to see it running 4.2.2 :p
 
Am i the only one who is really hoping that the next Google Nexus phone is from the Samsung Galaxy line?
 
I'd like another Nexus from HTC please. Their company's health may be terrible, but their build quality and material choice is generally brilliant. Just with a bigger battery..

My Galaxy Nexus is horrible in terms of materials. Feels extremely cheap.

Anywho, given the Nexus 5 is from LG, I'll just hope they did a great job on the hardware.
 
I personally would want the next Nexus to be a Sony rather than Samsung. HTC is okay too I guess.

I wonder if they'll pack a really nice camera for once into the Nexus. Bigger battery would be good too. While I'm dreaming how about 32GB default.
 
ChronoReverse said:
I personally would want the next Nexus to be a Sony rather than Samsung. HTC is okay too I guess.

I wonder if they'll pack a really nice camera for once into the Nexus. Bigger battery would be good too. While I'm dreaming how about 32GB default.
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My preference is Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG in that order.

I hope they put a good camera in this Nexus. Every Nexus has had a horrific camera and is one of the few gripes I have about it. Ditch the fragile glass back and add a great camera and they'll have a winner IMO.
 
Blown 89 said:
My preference is Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG in that order.

I hope they put a good camera in this Nexus. Every Nexus has had a horrific camera and is one of the few gripes I have about it. Ditch the fragile glass back and add a great camera and they'll have a winner IMO.
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Did you really have a problem with the "fragile glass back". One of my Nexu 4's had fallen once or twice without a case. The edge was completely burised and the glass had a tiny chip but never shattered.
 
With the rumored Nexus-Five hitting the FCC, how long afterwards are phones typically released after showing up there ?

I'm thinking the N5 isn't too far away, October release ?
 
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