Next gen PS5, close to 2080 level

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Not surprising at all. We've known for a while it's to be a 5700 xt with possibly a few more cores, which is... right around 2080/1080 ti performance.

The GPU is basically a known quantity at this point. It's the VRAM/memory (shared, dedicated?) and storage (SSD, hybrid, intelligent caching?) that's more interesting.
 

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Which means the next XBox will pretty much be the same, in terms of performance. Knowing me, I will probably buy the XBox, just because. :) I am sure the PS5 will be worth whatever it costs as well, I am just not interested, probably. (Guessing $499 and a lot of rage quit for it not being cheaper. :D )
 

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https://www.thefpsreview.com/2019/0...s-2-ghz-radeon-navi-gpu-february-2020-unveil/

According to the rumors, this should put it very close to 2080 level performance. This would be very good news for consoles, especially considering the entire console will cost about what a 2080 costs today. Of course, we won't see this till the end of next year so take everything with a large handful of salt :)

Pretty much empty speculation and rumor at this point.

I doubt it because of the difficulty in cooling something over a RX5700 combined with Ryzen 3700x in one package.

It might get closer to 2080 like performance because console optimizations, but not in raw power.
 

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Pretty much empty speculation and rumor at this point.

I doubt it because of the difficulty in cooling something over a RX5700 combined with Ryzen 3700x in one package.

It might get closer to 2080 like performance because console optimizations, but not in raw power.

Except for the fact that the One X is equivalent to the RX580 or 90 and that is at the 14nm process. (They are having no issues cooling that but yes, it does get warm, no surprise there.) By the time they release these consoles in November of 2020 or so, cooling those things in a console package will not be a problem. I would not doubt that the consoles will be close to raw 2080 level performance because, after all, we have had that level in the last 3 years or so on the PC side.
 

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Except for the fact that the One X is equivalent to the RX580 or 90 and that is at the 14nm process. (They are having no issues cooling that but yes, it does get warm, no surprise there.) By the time they release these consoles in November of 2020 or so, cooling those things in a console package will not be a problem. I would not doubt that the consoles will be close to raw 2080 level performance because, after all, we have had that level in the last 3 years or so on the PC side.

XB1X is 60 series level, not 80 series level. One year isn't going to make that much difference.
 

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XB1X is 60 series level, not 80 series level. One year isn't going to make that much difference.

*Sigh* Forget it, carry on, I should have known better but went against my better judgement.

Are you saying that the Xbox One X GPU is closer to a RX 560 than a 580? It has 32 ROPS, vs 16 in a RX560. Your talking Xbox one X with 6 TFLOPS of power vs the 2.6 in a RX560? The One X is very close to RX590 performance.

Thank you.

Edit: Oh, and I mentioned the One X because it is what I am most familiar with, not because it is better or worse the the PS4 Pro. Should give a good idea what is truly possible when the next consoles are released in 2020. :)
 
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Well, you get about 200W total to drive a console, +/- about 50W. Any bigger than that and people really start to complain about it being big, or loud, or both.

So... I think that's your limit. I'm sure both MS and Sony will pack as much performance as they can inside the envelope, but I don't think with current generations we will see sustained 2080 level performance inside a 200W all-inclusive package.

Unless by "close", the OP really means "maybe 60%"
 

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Well, you get about 200W total to drive a console, +/- about 50W. Any bigger than that and people really start to complain about it being big, or loud, or both.

So... I think that's your limit. I'm sure both MS and Sony will pack as much performance as they can inside the envelope, but I don't think with current generations we will see sustained 2080 level performance inside a 200W all-inclusive package.

Unless by "close", the OP really means "maybe 60%"

I am sure what the OP meant by close is probably with 5% or so. Current generations will not see sustained 2080 level performance but, of course, we already own the current generation. The next generation, I see no reason why we would not see that level of performance, with everything being on the 7nm process.
 

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Sounds about right considering the last few gens have launched with GPUs with around the 2nd and 3rd tier GPU level performance.

But I'm less concerned about the specs than I am about whether or not it will support freesync, non-standard TV resolutions (like 1440p), and 120+ Hz TVs/monitors. I like to play my consoles at my desk with my PC monitor and since my PS4 Pro doesn't work well on my 1440p ultrawide monitor, I had to get another 16:9 monitor to put on my desk pretty much just for my consoles (but it's nice as a second PC monitor as well).
 

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Are you saying that the Xbox One X GPU is closer to a RX 560 than a 580? It has 32 ROPS, vs 16 in a RX560. Your talking Xbox one X with 6 TFLOPS of power vs the 2.6 in a RX560? The One X is very close to RX590 performance.

60 series for NVidia (1060) since we are talking about 80 series NVidia comparisons...
 

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I am sure what the OP meant by close is probably with 5% or so. Current generations will not see sustained 2080 level performance but, of course, we already own the current generation. The next generation, I see no reason why we would not see that level of performance, with everything being on the 7nm process.

No I think I didn't state it very clearly... by this generation, I meant Navi and Zen2, not current generation consoles. Those are both already at 7nm

You won't see anything significantly more advanced than that in a console slated to come out next year.
 

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No I think I didn't state it very clearly... by this generation, I meant Navi and Zen2, not current generation consoles. Those are both already at 7nm

You won't see anything significantly more advanced than that in a console slated to come out next year.

Problem with that is, the 60% is already there in the One X and PS4 Pro, easily.
 

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No I think I didn't state it very clearly... by this generation, I meant Navi and Zen2, not current generation consoles. Those are both already at 7nm

You won't see anything significantly more advanced than that in a console slated to come out next year.

In my experience as well, consoles don’t use the current hardware but rather a modified version of the last generation. Likely due to the Design, construction, and implementation process taking a few years to bring a console to market.

The only way they could address that imo is to basically become a mini-PC that you could just swap a newer GPU into, but that would cut into the console advantage (being a stable platform across all users giving a standard bar of hardware and performance for developers to maximize).
 

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In my experience as well, consoles don’t use the current hardware but rather a modified version of the last generation. Likely due to the Design, construction, and implementation process taking a few years to bring a console to market.

The only way they could address that imo is to basically become a mini-PC that you could just swap a newer GPU into, but that would cut into the console advantage (being a stable platform across all users giving a standard bar of hardware and performance for developers to maximize).

Except they will be using Navi and Zen2, not Polaris and Zen1. (They already use Polaris, anyways.)
 

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I think it will be a step down. More like 2070 levels. They need to keep the price down and it is a common complaint with the PS4 about how loud it can get. I think $500 is the target. $600 is pushing it and could blow up in their face like it did with the PS3. Both companies are going to wait til the other releases a price so they can u see cut it.
 

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I think it will be a step down. More like 2070 levels. They need to keep the price down and it is a common complaint with the PS4 about how loud it can get. I think $500 is the target. $600 is pushing it and could blow up in their face like it did with the PS3. Both companies are going to wait til the other releases a price so they can u see cut it.

Could be, since the processor will probably be around 2GHz and I would imagine the graphics portion around 1.5 GHz.
 

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The MSI 5700 XT Evoke emits 39-43 dBa on Techpowerup and they can put the GPU in a console with some other cooler? Is it loud?
 

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I’d be ok with this. Console optimization could take 2080 level performance very far.
 

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The MSI 5700 XT Evoke emits 39-43 dBa on Techpowerup and they can put the GPU in a console with some other cooler? Is it loud?

The 5700XT emits 0db. It’s silicon. The cooler that’s MSI used for that particular card emits 39-43dB.

What matters here isn’t noise level - that’s entirely dependent on the cooler and fan used. What does matter is TDP, as that will dictate the requirements for the cooler and fan.

5700XT by itself is a 225W part. You still need to power and cool some CPU cores (another 30-40W probably), RAM, storage, and other auxiliaries.

It can be made quiet, or even silent. But it probably won’t fit in most entertainment centers if it’s built that way at what would end up being nearly 300W.
 

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I doubt they are going to launch this system for over $499 retail so how are they going to put a gpu that costs more than $500 into it?
 

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What a fucking strange point to be (wrongly) pedantic about. They obviously were referencing a specific model name and not the silicon itself.

Because someone is trying to infer that because on particular video card is XX noise level that a console based on similar technology would be the same?

Or at least that is how I read it. Maybe you care to enlighten me on the true meaning and “correct” my wrongly pedantic point.
 

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Well, you get about 200W total to drive a console, +/- about 50W. Any bigger than that and people really start to complain about it being big, or loud, or both.

So... I think that's your limit. I'm sure both MS and Sony will pack as much performance as they can inside the envelope, but I don't think with current generations we will see sustained 2080 level performance inside a 200W all-inclusive package.

Unless by "close", the OP really means "maybe 60%"

I can pretty much bet consoles are going to be using RDNA 2. Given they are touting ray tracing and launching in 2020. RDNA2 is geared towards that as well and likely has even better efficiency. So it might not be too far fetched they can pack CPU+GPU below 250.

Almost everyone is gearing towards consoles being RDNA 2 with ray tracing.
 

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I can pretty much bet consoles are going to be using RDNA 2. Given they are touting ray tracing and launching in 2020. RDNA2 is geared towards that as well and likely has even better efficiency. So it might not be too far fetched they can pack CPU+GPU below 250.

Almost everyone is gearing towards consoles being RDNA 2 with ray tracing.

Very possible. Current gen consoles based on Polaris shipped a good bit before Polaris GPUs did.
 

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Great news. Looks like these consoles will be more modern at release than the PS4 and certainly the Xbone. The Xbox 360 was great and lasted so long in part because it was very powerful at launch. I have an XboxX and it was designed well except for the terribly slow CPU.
 

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Not surprising at all. We've known for a while it's to be a 5700 xt with possibly a few more cores, which is... right around 2080/1080 ti performance.

The GPU is basically a known quantity at this point. It's the VRAM/memory (shared, dedicated?) and storage (SSD, hybrid, intelligent caching?) that's more interesting.

What are you talking about? The only thing factually known about these consoles is that they're using Zen 2/Navi APUs. There has been zero information "known" about exactly how strong either part of the APU is. Consoles have to remain reasonably affordable, so I would temper expectations when it comes to how strong the hardware will end up being.
 

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What are you talking about? The only thing factually known about these consoles is that they're using Zen 2/Navi APUs. There has been zero information "known" about exactly how strong either part of the APU is. Consoles have to remain reasonably affordable, so I would temper expectations when it comes to how strong the hardware will end up being.

It's insane how much people are building up the performance of a console that's do for release in a year or less like some groundbreaking performance advancements are going to happen between then and now.

Even something like the PS4 Pro was the equivalent of a low \ mid range gaming PC at launch. I think best case scenario you might get 3600\3700 + 5700\5700xt in an APU package. And even that level of performance I find doubtful for $400.
 
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Not really it will be a mid range card by the time the PS5 comes out. Remember back when the PS3 launched with what was similar performance wise to an GTX 8800?
CPU, and RAM wise it was ahead by years. (ibm for us)
 

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I would hope it would cost less than a 2080 today. :unsure:


It doesn't matter, though, because PC MASTER RACE! :smug:


P.S. Grain of salt taken.
That's the entire system, not just the video card... So.. yeah. That's the CPU, motherboard, ram, disk drive, etc plus the GPU. That's pretty good performance (if true) for a game system. Just think how far they normally lag being the PC.
 

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It's really not crazy and it's based on the number of TFlops of both the supposed PS5 GPU vs that of a 2080. 9.2 vs 10.1. so about 10% depending onany other factors, like memory speeds (which seems to be limiting right now on Navi). For comparison Xbox one X is around 6, and PS4 pro is 4.2TFlops... so more than double the current PS4 pro and a 50% increase from Xbox one X... And again, large grain of salt.
 

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RX480 was shipping before the PS4 Pro was announced.

RX480 reviews were available 06/2016. PS4 Pro was announced 09/2016, launched 11/2016.

PS4 was released in 2013 though. Pro I believe has double the compute units of the regular, but both are Polaris
 
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