New Youtube anti-adblock tactic- being a resource hog- debunked, was Adblock issue

uBlock works well for now. But I am getting playback issues and I am using Firefox. Been going on for a few days. Last year I tried without ads and it was beyond obnoxious. Typically 3 ads per short video. The ads were longer than the video in some cases. Example, a 2 minute tutorial would have a 20 second intro ad, and then two midpoint ads which were also 20 seconds. The worst case was something like that for a video that was maybe a minute long. And some of these videos have very low views and were very likely not monetized.

If you want to watch a 15 or so minute video it would typically be 4-5 ads throughout the video.

I do understand they need a way to pay for everything but are the costs going up that much?
 
Flogger23m said:
uBlock works well for now. But I am getting playback issues and I am using Firefox. Been going on for a few days. Last year I tried without ads and it was beyond obnoxious. Typically 3 ads per short video. The ads were longer than the video in some cases. Example, a 2 minute tutorial would have a 20 second intro ad, and then two midpoint ads which were also 20 seconds. The worst case was something like that for a video that was maybe a minute long. And some of these videos have very low views and were very likely not monetized.

If you want to watch a 15 or so minute video it would typically be 4-5 ads throughout the video.

I do understand they need a way to pay for everything but are the costs going up that much?
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Is it costs going up, or is the amount of money that advertisers are willing to pay per display ad still in freefall? The clickthrough and clickthrough and spend rates for those sort of ads have to still be in freefall - since even if we assume people are still equally likely to see something they want and click through - they'll still only do it once even if they now see the add 500 times instead of only once.
 
They are going broke.

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Ad and subscription growth. You are the product, and you'll pay to be part of the ecosystem.
 
Flogger23m said:
uBlock works well for now. But I am getting playback issues and I am using Firefox. Been going on for a few days. Last year I tried without ads and it was beyond obnoxious. Typically 3 ads per short video. The ads were longer than the video in some cases. Example, a 2 minute tutorial would have a 20 second intro ad, and then two midpoint ads which were also 20 seconds. The worst case was something like that for a video that was maybe a minute long. And some of these videos have very low views and were very likely not monetized.

If you want to watch a 15 or so minute video it would typically be 4-5 ads throughout the video.

I do understand they need a way to pay for everything but are the costs going up that much?
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Youtube was great when runtime didn't matter and people got paid. Now because Youtube is trying to be like Netflix without actually investing into it, they only pay if the video is a good 10 minutes or longer, which has promoted YouTubers to make extremely long content. Nearly every video is someone just talking about a subject that could be summarized to 5 minutes, but because of ad revenue it can go for 20 or 30+ minutes, all because they're trying to game the algorithm. To make up for lost time the use of adblock and sponsorskip are required to have a good experience. Youtube is just not that good anymore, with or without the ads. I also doubt the costs are really big when alternative websites are hosting YouTube videos are no cost to you.
 
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DukenukemX said:
Youtube was great when runtime didn't matter and people got paid. Now because Youtube is trying to be like Netflix without actually investing into it, they only pay if the video is a good 10 minutes or longer, which has promoted YouTubers to make extremely long content. Nearly every video is someone just talking about a subject that could be summarized to 5 minutes, but because of ad revenue it can go for 20 or 30+ minutes, all because they're trying to game the game the algorithm. To make up for lost time the use of adblock and sponsorskip are required to have a good experience. Youtube is just not that good anymore, with or without the ads. I also doubt the costs are really big when alternative websites are hosting YouTube videos are no cost to you.
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I've known about the 10+ minute thing for a while. The problem is a video going from 5-6 minutes to 10-12 minutes means it will cost more for Youtube. How much more I have no idea.
 
I opened an inprivate window the other day and hit up YouTube. I got one of those new direct insert ads. It was 3 minutes and 30 seconds long, then got another 1 minute ad. Both were not skippable. :dead: That was the longest 4.5 minutes of my life.
 
Flogger23m said:
I've known about the 10+ minute thing for a while. The problem is a video going from 5-6 minutes to 10-12 minutes means it will cost more for Youtube. How much more I have no idea.
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I'm sure the hosting and bandwidth is minor. What YouTube wants is people to sign up to Premium, much like Netflix and Disney+. The problem is that YouTube doesn't invest into the content and instead just punishes creators. Back in the day YouTube started a movement for animators where an explosion of original animation just exploded on YouTube like Minecraft the Noob Adventures, but because YouTube won't pay unless videos are 10+ minutes long and animation takes a long time to create, it died. Remember Egoraptor and how he made original animations that people loved? He went and made Game Grumps where his videos were 10 minutes long to capitalize on this, but now they're like 20+ minutes long because everyone runs adblockers. As much I like SomeOrdinaryGamers, the dude just talks about nothing at some point in his videos. Gets to the point where I just end the video very early because I get the idea.

It's not like YouTube doesn't have great stuff on it sometimes, but YouTube doesn't fund it. Look as Hazbin Hotel and how much of a success it was... on Amazon. Pilot episode was on YouTube for a while, but Amazon picked it up. They're not doing anything with Helluva Boss but somehow the series continues without YouTube's funding. Monkey Wrench, LACKADAISY, Cliffside, and god damn Digital Circus which has exploded on the internet, is just existing in their service without any funding but probably hoping to get funded by someone other than YouTube. This stuff is just sitting in their backyard and instead of funding it and making it exclusive to YouTube, but instead they're worried about blocking ads instead of justifying the Premium cost. YouTube wants the same amount of money as NetFlix and Disney+ but without the same quality content. If and when YouTube does go full anti Adblocker, then people will just move onto many other alternatives because YouTube is just a video hosting source. They own none of the content created on it, and that will be their downfall.
 
I use Brave out of the box and it blocks the ads. It make my low powered machines run in slow-mo but it is still overall faster and less trouble the the ads.
If YT wasn't a cultural Marxist tech fuck blob I would gladly just pay. But they are shit so I treat them as such :D
 
stevenlee said:
YouTube has been cracking down on ad blockers and it seems MB Browser Guard's Ads/Tracker blockers is not immune. Any advice on how to deal with this other than to turn off the Ads/Tracking blocking?
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Malwarebytes Browser Guard? Whoever suggested to use that? Get FireFox and install Ublock or use Brave. If you have a SmartTV that's supported then you can also use SmartTube. And of course Revaned for Android users.
 
stevenlee said:
YouTube has been cracking down on ad blockers and it seems MB Browser Guard's Ads/Tracker blockers is not immune. Any advice on how to deal with this other than to turn off the Ads/Tracking blocking?
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Just buy youtube premium if you use it enough that the ads are an annoyance *shrug*.
 
I have YT Premium and AdGuard. Runs outside of Chrome. No issues at all.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Just buy youtube premium if you use it enough that the ads are an annoyance *shrug*.
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Buying premium doesn't give you the premium experience. You don't get sponsorskip, which is another reason to go FireFox plus Ublock. YouTube Premium still sneaks in ads once in a while.
GoldenTiger said:
Or not be a service thief and pay for premium. Which you knew was my point.
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Be sure to listen to GoldenTiger you thieves. The scammers will love ya for it. Just remember if you've gotten to the point where you clicked an ad and are now buying gift cards, then you've gone too far.
 
Shoganai said:
There is nothing unethical about blocking YouTube ads. Google should be paying us for selling our data, but that's not ever going to happen.
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They are providing you with youtube in exchange for your data and ad viewership or premium subscription. Get over yourself.
 
Shoganai said:
If that's how you want to justify it in your mind, sure.
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It's not a justification, it's their business model. You're the one justifying things in your mind. They're an ads company, the data collection is half of that, and displaying/delivering ads is the other half. Do you have any idea how a business works?
 
Shoganai said:
You're the one that truly needs to get over yourself. Please stop with the false equivalences. You're not gonna sit there and label people thieves while having your head lodged firmly up your nether region.
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It isn't a false equivalence, no matter how hard you try to plug your ears and say "lalalalala".
 
GoldenTiger said:
It's not a justification, it's their business model.
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A terrible business model. We went from quick ads that started at the beginning to 30 seconds ads, to mid roll ads, to ads playing after ads. Also as an Android user we were able to play music from YouTube with the screen closed, but now that's a premium feature. Mark my words but at some point you'll pay for a premium service that will still have ads, albeit less ads. All streaming services have done it, and YouTube won't be any different. None of this would have incurred adblocking if YouTube kept the ads to a minimum.
You're the one justifying things in your mind.
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If YouTube can justify more ads then I can justify removing them entirely.
They're an ads company, the data collection is half of that, and displaying/delivering ads is the other half.
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At what point during their data collection did they miss the scam ads they've been showing to it's users?
Do you have any idea how a business works?
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Do you know how to quote people without needing to make multiple posts?
 
GoldenTiger said:
They're also asking payment with their ads. Nice try, but scamming half the payment is still stealing services.
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And yet Google don't seem to be struggling as a result of myself not paying for yet 'another' streaming service.

Given a choice between paying for YouTube Premium or not using YouTube at all, I'd choose not to use YouTube at all. So while hypotheticals may change, Google stand's no chance at making money out of me whatsoever.
 
Mazzspeed said:
And yet Google don't seem to be struggling as a result of myself not paying for yet 'another' streaming service.

Given a choice between paying for YouTube Premium or not using YouTube at all, I'd choose not to use YouTube at all. So while hypotheticals may change, Google stand's no chance at making money out of me whatsoever.
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The flip side of this is I would consider getting YT Premium if, in exchange Google 100% stopped tracking me.
 
Mazzspeed said:
And yet Google don't seem to be struggling as a result of myself not paying for yet 'another' streaming service.

Given a choice between paying for YouTube Premium or not using YouTube at all, I'd choose not to use YouTube at all. So while hypotheticals may change, Google stand's no chance at making money out of me whatsoever.
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I think the big difference is youtube typically doesn't behave like a "streaming service" in general (yes I realize they stream videos, stick with me a bit before you mash those keys). If you use any of the more traditional streaming services you watch a 30-60 minute TV show (22-48? real minutes), or you're watching a feature length movie, so getting an ad at the beginning and maybe one in the middle of a movie doesn't feel quite the same as getting an ad for every single 5-10 minute video you click, it's not like YT only has ads for 30+ minute videos.
 
Mazzspeed said:
This 100%, assuming the price of the service didn't change.
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They won't stop data collecting and there's no way of you knowing if they do. They would of course 100% increase the price of the service because who hasn't?
sfsuphysics said:
I think the big difference is youtube typically doesn't behave like a "streaming service" in general (yes I realize they stream videos, stick with me a bit before you mash those keys). If you use any of the more traditional streaming services you watch a 30-60 minute TV show (22-48? real minutes), or you're watching a feature length movie, so getting an ad at the beginning and maybe one in the middle of a movie doesn't feel quite the same as getting an ad for every single 5-10 minute video you click, it's not like YT only has ads for 30+ minute videos.
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Right now there's a plethora of free legal streaming services with ads. Most of the videos on YouTube are just people making quick and easy videos that don't have much substance. It's mostly a person who points a camera at their face and talks away for 30 minutes or longer. If not a camera then a Vtuber who's usually an appealing female. Not even Linux is immune to this practice. The deep dark and dirty parts of YouTube is basically fan fiction that got out of hand. I'm sure people have heard of the dozens of Spiderman Frozen Elsa pregnancy videos. This is mostly because we now have a generation of tablet children who grew up on YouTube, because tablets are cheap and so is YouTube. Now YouTube wants to increasingly monetize content that they had no hand in making. The content is now worse because YouTube prioritizes run time instead of quality. A prime example is Egoraptor who used to make quality animations that people loved, but because YouTube started to pay good money for videos that lasted 10 minutes or more, GameGrumps was created and we're not better off for it. His videos aren't even 10 minutes anymore because YouTube pays more for more run time. This is the reason why nobody wants to give YouTube money because it seems most videos have the least amount of effort put into them. This is probably why a lot of people grow up wanting to be YouTubers or streamers because they recognize it's low effort.
 
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GoldenTiger said:
The posts I was replying to was s back and forth, but were deleted.
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Yeah, my bad. I just didn't like my posts as I was in such a terribly pissy mood.

DukenukemX said:
Do you know how to quote people without needing to make multiple posts?
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I deleted the quoted posts so it looks like he was multi-quoting as my comments were no longer sandwiched in between.
 
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