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Discussion in 'HardForum Tech News' started by HardOCP News, May 23, 2013.
When I say this ad "features Siri," I mean it in the "butt end of the joke" kind of way.
Simple, visual, nice job Microsoft.
haha,was actually a good one.
I'm not sure about owned. Microsoft apps have more multitasking flexibility compared to iPad for sure, but Microsoft is looking to get slaughtered on the app availability front with this provocative commercial.
I'm an owner of the Surface Pro and iPad mini and I can tell you with experience that the iPad has many many hundreds times more apps than Microsoft Store does. I love my Pro but it has quite a ways to go before being comparable to Android and Apple. I hope Microsoft succeeds in the long run. I really do like the Windows 8 tablet but as it stands, I'm not going to touch Windows RT tablets.
2 good commercials in a row but lack luster products flame on.
Clever commercial...and yet it doesn't motivate me in the slightest to get a Surface or make me want to migrate to Win8. Commercials can be as cute as we like, but if they don't result in sold product...they fail.
As an owner and operator of both multiple android and multiple iOS devices, that sparse app store could REALLY become an asset. IMO, both the app store and google play have reached the point shere the signal to noise ratio is completely broken by shovelware and scam ware. The iTunes app store may actually have more good apps than play, and I'd even argue that finding them is still a touch easier on the app store than on play, however for both platforms I increasingly find myself having to find a website for the app, or a review with a URL into the app store. IT hasn't reached completely broken, but it has passed the point of being a hassle. If M$ curates their store better, and drops some cash into the pockets of the devs of the top apps, they could have a noticable win on convenience and quality of their walled garden/prison.
At least it's finally something more than a bunch of millennial's dancing and clicking keyboards in.
"Oh look, you can actually do something with it..."
Like play piano. Oh wait, that was an iOS app. No piano app for Windows. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/search#prd=windows-8&q=piano
I get over a 1000 results at the Google Play store.
And you need 1000 piano apps? I agree with the above comment that both Android and iOS app stores have long since passed the point where more = good. Having 1000 varieties of the same thing just leads to a terrible signal to noise ratio. Yes, Windows 8 needs all the critical and more popular apps but it certainly doesn't need 1000 piano apps to be a successful platform.
I get 152 results on my Windows 8 desktop. Probably it's only the web search broken.
That is part of the problem with all the "app" stores. I don't need 1000's of apps, just one that works for the job i want it for. Not interested in spending hours looking through page after page after page of apps. Not a selling point for me.
I agree that really is a problem, and some developers have really taken advantage of the metrics that Google Play uses to bring applications to the forefront.
However, do you really need to use the Microsoft Windows 8 store? Just install standard windows applications.
LOL That was great and I really did laugh out loud, thanks.
Same here. I can put a piano app on my Windows 8 tablet. Not an issue. People forget that with Windows 8 you have the Windows Store, which I admit lacks some major apps, but you have the standard desktop applications that have always been around. That's a huge reason I use my Win8 tablet over my iPad, and why I got the Win8 in the first place. I like the iPad, it's just that it's very limited in it's capabilities (as shown in the video, partially).
Choice, IMO, is always a selling point. It's probably the ONLY reason why I haven't jumped ship from Windows to Linux (or MacOS).
If you're browsing an appstore, looking for the 'best' application out of the bunch, you're doing it wrong. That's why review sites exist.
"Let's play Chopsticks!"
Android/iOS tablets and Windows 8 tablets are two different beasts sharing the same form factor. The former are phone OS's pushed up to a tablet format and share the same limitations and have much the same type of use. Windows 8 is a laptop/desktop OS that has been altered to be touch friendly on a tablet. The two simply aren't the same thing and aren't used for the same types of things so advertising like this pointing it out is very handy for MS to show that they're not trying to be an iPad. They're showing that they care more about doing productivity related tasks than they are about playing games and fooling around with fart apps and touch-screen pianos. Maybe they'll never reach the same level of popularity as the iPad or android tablets but since they're not trying to do the exact same thing ... I think that's ok.
Not quite true. You're thinking of Windows 8 Pro tablets. Windows RT is an offspring of Windows Phone and Windows 8 Pro is the merger of Windows 7 and Windows Phone. At the end of the day, RT (which Microsoft is pushing in this commercial) is a Windows Phone OS also pushed up to a tablet format and is in direct competition with Android and iOS.
That hardly matters. How often do you actually browse through the store looking for apps as though you were shopping at Macy's?
Generally speaking, I go to some site for some sort of product or service and on that site there are frequently two images: there's an image indicating that they have an app on the App Store and an image indicating that there's also an app available through Google Play. That's where most of my app discovery tends to happen. I very rarely ever go searching for any type of app within the store itself, so the amount of noise doesn't matter.
Have I ever seen anything on any site indicating availability of a Windows 8 app? Nope. Not yet, anyway. That's an enormous problem. It isn't a good thing.
Do you seriously believe in what you just wrote ? Windows RT is a Windows 8 recompiled for ARM, with a lock on the desktop mode which can be removed. If Windows RT would be "offspring of Windows Phone", then how do you explain all these desktop apps running on it without problems ?
Easy. WinPhone 8 is also built on the NT kernel. In fact, Win 8, WinRT and WinPhone 8 all share the NT kernel.
One thing I was annoyed by since day 1 is the robotic voice of siri.
A company as rich as apple should be able to make it sound more human.
and yes, the ipad is really as useless as the video shows. thousands of useless apps
Funny, but when I see. "Windows 8: Less talking, more doing." Shouldn't they practice what they preach? I know is irrelevant to the ad itself, but c'mon really.
Windows Phone is built on NT kernel. Windows RT is the Windows 8 recompiled for ARM - Windows RT has pretty much complete Win32 API. If you have a source code for your Windows application, there is a big chance of it running on Windows RT unless you used x86 assembly code. Good luck doing that with Windows Phone,.
A search on "piano" for me just now in the Windows Store showed 177 apps. There's no shortage of these apps for Metro, I've used several.
Yup, just did a play piano search on my Windows 8 phone and found plenty of piano apps even one actually called "play piano".
What does the Surface have to do with this?
Oh that's right, I forgot that 99% of computer users hack Windows to get something working on it when it otherwise shouldn't.
Yes, I stand by what I wrote. Not in the sense of how RT was written, but how it was designed. RT is supposed to be for tablet as Windows Phone is for smartphones.
1. it's on a tablet
2. you get programs from an app store/play store/Microsoft store.
by those factors alone, it's in direct competition with Android and iOS and runs similarly to their smartphone counterparts and nothing like Windows desktop counterparts, be it laptop or desktop or servers.
First, you do realize this commercial is comparing an iPad to a Windows 8 tablet right? Not RT.
You're right that Windows RT is for tablets but Windows 8 can be used for tablets, too, since it does everything RT does but more. I do see what you are trying to point at though.
How many of them support MIDI?
No, I didn't realize the ASUS tablet was a Windows 8 tablet. I was referring to it as a Windows RT tablet, my bad.
But I still stand by what I meant regarding RT comparing to iOS and Android. But in this particular tablet's case, it can do a lot more than iOS and Android by default.
The ones that I've tried don't.
Well done ad that copies Apple's ads, selling hardware that is much slower, with lower res screens, and has way fewer and lower quality apps.
Good ad Microsoft, now make the Surface RT better.
Since when did Windows x86/x64 have way fewer apps than iOS? Yes, the screen in this Clover Trail device is only 1366x768 and the GPU is much slower than the 4th gen iPad but the CPU isn't. And this isn't a Surface RT.
However the machine in this ad is a Windows RT device: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgu9uo2UpPg&feature=player_detailpage. In this case your point about the number of apps is perfectly valid.
Hater gone Hate. Microsoft is no better then a political smear ad. Negative ads with me resonate insecurity.
1. It still MS
2. Apple iPAD is established.
3. How come MS didn't compare it to their Surface offerings? Oh wait they are much more expensive then Apple stuff.
They do stir the pot and get people talking. Everyone remembers the "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" ad campaign from Apple that ended in 2009. I thought some of the ads were misleading but at the same time some of them were funny and they were memorable.
Windows is established as well, even on tablets it's been around longer than the iPad though of course not nearly as popular on tablets.
Not sure how a range of devices at different price points is a bad thing. There is no Atom based Surface device currently.
What are you smoking? In the past decade, all we've seen is Apple blasting Microsoft with negative ads.
1. It still Apple (Sweet grammar by the way)
2. Microsoft is established (as was previously stated)
3. Why compare the iPad to this? This is in the most similarly configured machine for this price point. If it was compared to the Pro you would be crying the iPad was being compared to something with higher specs.
I am not even for one or the other, but when you come here and drag your knuckles across a keyboard to make a point and miss completely, someone is going to call you on it.