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nitrobass24

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Ok so i have my new 16core Nehalem box, but I cant get any VMs to start with more than 8 cores.

Win7 x64
VMPlayer3.0
 
Are you running notfreds or full linux distro in the VMs?
 
Did you edit the vmware file in a text editor and change the amount of cpu's to 16?
 
even with dual 8core VM?

I'm not sure of the core limit of the VM3 player, so...
 
How much memory are you giving the VM? Maybe that's the prob.
 
actually i just went thru this earlier today with my 16 core nehelam i decided not to fight with it and just running 2 8 core vms. simple as pie

i properly edited my vmx file and it first told me that 8 cores was the limit, and also after i lowered the cores down to 8 it told me max ram i can allow is 3600mb

im also running server 2008 R2 standard, which is 64bit . my rig has 2x 5520s and 12gb ddr3 1066 registered ecc ram.
 
Maybe a native install of Linux is the easiest solution?
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I have no clue..... your so far outside of the hardware I've worked with.
 
mikey976 said:
actually i just went thru this earlier today with my 16 core nehelam i decided not to fight with it and just running 2 8 core vms. simple as pie

i properly edited my vmx file and it first told me that 8 cores was the limit, and also after i lowered the cores down to 8 it told me max ram i can allow is 3600mb

im also running server 2008 R2 standard, which is 64bit . my rig has 2x 5520s and 12gb ddr3 1066 registered ecc ram.
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Yea i know, but that cant be the case because last week i had n i7 with 4096mb ram allocated.

did they update VMplayer3 to do some funky stuff?
 
No updates have been done to VMPlayer as of last week, they have been pretty set on there current release although I know they will be releasing a small update in a week.

How much RAM do you have allocated for the VM to play, and you do have it set to # cores to 16 correct?

Just wondering! :)
 
Yea Workstation only sees 8 real cores
It doesnt count the HyperThreading

AHHH

Feck VMware
Im installing 2008 R2
 
Vaulter98c said:
Maybe a native install of Linux is the easiest solution?
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I have the same situation.
I run Server 2008 so no native linux for me either.
Plus, I get so lost using linux.

Just wait a few months for SMP2!!!!!!!

Situation should be over then and us "windows" will be happy again!

Until then, 2 x VM will get you by!
 
Well I am thinking that Hyper-V will work better than VMware.
I would prefer to use Win7
 
This is so maddening

I have notfred running in Virtual box and now it wont let me change user names
And I keep getting Clocksource errors
 
EvilAlchemist said:
I have the same situation.
I run Server 2008 so no native linux for me either.
Plus, I get so lost using linux.

Just wait a few months for SMP2!!!!!!!

Situation should be over then and us "windows" will be happy again!

Until then, 2 x VM will get you by!
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a few months?

I thought it was going to be out this month?
 
gwarren007 said:
Could you try windows 7 pro? That supports 2 physical processors...
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Its not a Host OS issue

I have Ultimate, it also supports two CPU Sockets.
The problem is VMware sucks, because they dont have much competition.

"Why spend money making a great product, when customer will pay just as much for a crappy one" :(
 
This thread over at the FF has details of the the trails of getting a 16 core VM to work.
It looks like VMware Player only supports 8 cores.
You may need to use Virtual Box to get 16 core support.

I properly edited my vmx file and it first told me that 8 cores was the limit, and also after i lowered the cores down to 8 it told me max ram i can allow is 3600mb
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If the disk image was built on a 32 bit box, this is around the limit that the VM can see and is locked there when moved to a 64 bit box.
You need to get a disk image built on a 64 bit box with a lot of ram to have 5 or more gigs set aside for the disk image.
I've just built one with 6 gigs set aside for the VM because my original disk image had that limit.

Luck ............ :D
 
is there any major benefit to having a single 16 core vm compared to dual 8 cores?


woot! gonna break 100k , and it only took me 6 days




 
mikey976 said:
is there any major benefit to having a single 16 core vm compared to dual 8 cores?
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Unless you are wanting to run the -bigadv units, there is no difference.
(If this is the case , you will want to run -15 smp for the best performance on those units)

Running -16 smp in a VM (Hyper-V or Vmware) is not the best idea.
Just run -8 x 2 or -4 x 4
 
Vaulter98c said:
your 32 core box is gonna be a beast ... :eek:
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Well its on hold until I can get a 16 core VM going
Theres no way I can afford to run a dedicated Linux Box.
And I dont have a 30a circuit in that room.
The 32core will become my WHS and Cert Study box.
 
mikey976 said:
is there any major benefit to having a single 16 core vm compared to dual 8 cores?
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The bonus from -bigadv is not liner.

Say your base PpD from just running 4x 4core SMP work-units is going to be around 16k PpD.

Now if you run 2x 8 core VM's with -bigadv work-units and can finish a frame every 44 mins the your PpD doubles to around 32k PpD. Thats finishing 2 work-units every 3 days.

Now if you run just 1x 16 core VM with -bigadv work-units and you can finish a frame every 22 mins then your PDP goes up to around 45k. Thats finishing a work-unit in a day and a half.

So 2x8 and 1x16 do the same amount of work, but the 1x16 gets ~50% more PpD.

A 32 core system can finish a -bigadv work-unit in around 1 day and gets around 90k PpD from it.

Luck ............ :D
 
90K PPD!!! holy shit

that would be pretty cheap tho, cuz it wouldnt pull much electricity, and the bigest cost is upfront price
I paid 700 for two 295s (30k)
I paid 360 for 3 260's (22k)
I paid 320 for 4 88's (21k)
I paid 620 for 4 GX2s (42k)

Take the 88's out and there is about 90k, for about 1700$ (damn I spend too much on folding :( )
Then there is PSU's and CPU's, cant forget those...
Im over 2 grand not counting my 88 4 way and I promise I pull more power than his 32 core would..

hmmm.....
 
i think i should be pushing out about that much now

where could i get a copy of the 64bit vm to run 1x16 -bigadv

btw how do i use HTM.net/fahmon to monitor ppd?

due to my works network and having to authenticate every few hours i have the vm's set to work through NAT,
 
Vaulter98c said:
90K PPD!!! holy shit

that would be pretty cheap tho, cuz it wouldnt pull much electricity, and the bigest cost is upfront price
I paid 700 for two 295s (30k)
I paid 360 for 3 260's (22k)
I paid 320 for 4 88's (21k)
I paid 620 for 4 GX2s (42k)

Take the 88's out and there is about 90k, for about 1700$ (damn I spend too much on folding :( )
Then there is PSU's and CPU's, cant forget those...
Im over 2 grand not counting my 88 4 way and I promise I pull more power than his 32 core would..

hmmm.....
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Hopefully, we will see true SLI or xFire folding in the next GPU client/core, to allow the massive parallel processing power of our GPUs to be unlocked.
 
that would be good, until Fermi I can only fold on 2 of 4 cores on my 295's, Ive got them as a Quad SLI setup in my gamer rig

Might have to set up a 4 Core VM to help make a few more points lol
 
mikey976 said:
i think i should be pushing out about that much now

where could i get a copy of the 64bit vm to run 1x16 -bigadv

btw how do i use HTM.net/fahmon to monitor ppd?

due to my works network and having to authenticate every few hours i have the vm's set to work through NAT,
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Right now I cant find a solution for this.

VMware does not support it.
VirtualBox doesnt really work well.

I am trying Hyper-V next week when I get home.
 
Vaulter98c said:
90K PPD!!! holy shit

that would be pretty cheap tho..................

hmmm.....
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I don't think so.
You're looking at 8 CPU at well over $1,000 each plus prob over $1,000 for the dual mobo's needed plus 8 banks of server memory plus a dual redundent PSU's, etc, etc.
You'll be very lucky to get any change from $20,000 ...... :eek:

Luck .......... :D
 
Tigerbiten said:
I don't think so.
You're looking at 8 CPU at well over $1,000 each plus prob over $1,000 for the dual mobo's needed plus 8 banks of server memory plus a dual redundent PSU's, etc, etc.
You'll be very lucky to get any change from $20,000 ...... :eek:

Luck .......... :D
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Actually I have everything but the PSU's and some stuff for the case mod and Im at $1368 so far.
 
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