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hi guys

im going to build a core 2 duo pc my requirements i will use this pc for watching
movies,music and gaming 24/7 downloading :eek:hyeah:

budget:800$$$ ( i will stretch my budget a lil bit all i want is a powerfull and kick azzz pc for my money :D so plz suggest good Components lol
Proccy: Core 2 Duo E6300
MOBO : dunno which one shd i go for!!! 965 or 975 chipset SLI???
RAM : 1GB '' '' '' '' ' '' ''
Harddisk: 320GB Sata ll which brand do u guys suggest seagate, hitachi ? ? shd run smooth, fast and cool :p

GPU: im really cumfuzed now dx 10 cards are right on the corner i think i will wait
for dx10 what do u guys say!

Overclocking: yes!, im really getting into overclocking
LCD Moniter: 19 to 20 inches again suggestions plz dell ??? samsung or ViewSonic

Am I missing anything major here? :ashamed:
Overclocking: yes
plz plz plz add your valuable suggestions and replies plz help me out guys :huh:
 
I'm just wondering, is it worth paying the extra or so to buy the E6600 over the E6300, I mean obviously its a bit better, but by HOW MUCH?. I want a new computer that will last 'cause I'm paying quite a bit... however anywhere I can cut back on the $$$ would be much better.


I want to reach what will make the computer best run next generation games... eg. doom 3 engine + ... so whatever that would be, like 3ghz+ ??


Mobo:I'm looking for a motherboard that supports all the latests hardware and will for quite a while, including pci-e 16x, ddr2, and one that is great for overclocking....

and , i dont want to be changing the motherboard/processor for a long time!!


this is really holding me up from purchasing a computer


I suppose basically I want to know what Intel Dual Core PROCESSOR (edit)is best for price and can run next generation games well.

Should i be more spending my money on graphics card then processor?


Finally, should I be waiting for any dramatic price drops happening soon regarding hardware, like with the new Vista coming out??

Nobody has made this clear yet. If you get the E6300 stock and dont overclock it, you will still be able to play ALL games out right now, without it being the bottleneck; as a matter of fact, all games for the next year or two to come.
 
You won't be building a 'next-gen' system on 800$, period. and DX10 cards will break your budget in a single swipe. the 8800s are what, ~800$ ?

If you can spare themoney, go for a 6600 over the 6300. benchmarks = google. Its worth your money.

mobo = gigabyte ds3 or antec p5b vanilla are probably the best value/performance boards

ram = 1 gig? come on...

HD = Seagate 7200.10. end of story

gpu = x1900/x1800 series or 7900gt/gtx. figure 250-300 for a decent vid card.

monitor = the ~20 inch from viewsonic, 205b, or the new e207 (or something) from dell are under 300$. good, value, 20+" WS monitors.

Your biggest bottleneck is your budget. 800$ is doable, but not if you're needing a monitor and hard drives too. And possibly a power supply, because thats some serious hardware there. You can probably part out the list I gave you for around ~1300-1400. If you decide to go with a 6300, you won't be saving much, only about 140$.
 
thrawn86 said:
mobo = gigabyte ds3 or antec p5b vanilla are probably the best value/performance boards
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I didnt know Antec made a P5B vanilla mobo? hehe

Go for the DS3 or the Foxconn Core2Duo board. They both overclock rather well, but the ds3 is the more popular choice.

You're budget is very limiting, especially since you included a monitor in that budget. If it was just the computer alone, you could easily get 2GB of ram and a better mobo. The 8800GTS/GTX will probably around $400 at the least when they come out, so you'll probably only benefit from their release if the prices on current cards go down.

Also, did you need a case? This is what you could do with $1000+

$182 - Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz
$100 - Foxconn P9657AA-8KS2H Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express
$110 - G.SKILL 1GB (2x512MB) DDR2-800 F2-6400CL5D-1GBNQ
$205 - eVGA 256-P2-N584-AR Geforce 7900GT 256MB ($225 - $20MIR)
$185 - Acer AL1916WAbd Black 19" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD
$80 - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250620AS 250GB 7200RPM SATA300 16MB Cache
$50 - XClio GOODPOWER 500W ATX 500W
$50 - Cooler Master Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver w/ Side Window
$33 - LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner W/ LightScribe Black SHM-165H6S
$55 - Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm CPU HSF
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$1050 + tax and shipping (after rebates)

You'll need some high speed ram for overclockability. The E6300 has a 7 multiplier, so 7*400 = 2.8Ghz. This setup should be able to run that easily.

Now, to save money, you could save $35 by going with the cheapest sata3g hdd. You could save $85 by goin with a 7600GT, but this would sacrifice gaming performance. I think thats about the best I could do. Sorry. Seagate 7200.10 drives are the fastest right now, aside from raptors; and 250gb is the smallest they come, I believe. If you want the best gaming performance, stick with the E6300 and spend more on the vidcard (yes, even at stock speeds it will perform great for a while). The 7900GT will probably last you a good 2yrs, since games wont be using dx10 for a while.
 
plz clear my doubts

1. i'm just wondering, is it worth paying the extra or so to buy the E6600 over the E6300, I mean obviously its a bit better, but by HOW MUCH?. I want a new computer that will last 'cause I'm paying quite a bit... however anywhere I can cut back on the $$$ would be much better.


2. I want to reach what will make the computer best run next generation games... eg. doom 3 engine + ... so whatever that would be, like 3ghz+ ??


3. Mobo:I'm looking for a motherboard that supports all the latests hardware and will for quite a while, including pci-e 16x, ddr2, and one that is great for overclocking....

and , i dont want to be changing the motherboard/processor for a long time!!
this is really holding me up from purchasing a computer


4. I suppose basically I want to know what Intel Dual Core PROCESSOR (edit)is best for price and can run next generation games well.

5. Should i be more spending my money on graphics card then processor?


6. Finally, should I be waiting for any dramatic price drops happening soon regarding hardware, like with the new Vista coming out??

7. Nobody has made this clear yet. If you get the E6300 stock and dont overclock it, you will still be able to play ALL games out right now, without it being the bottleneck; as a matter of fact, all games for the next year or two to come.


plz answer my questions!

i already have Benq 1650 2 months old, i want a new proccy,gpu,ram,mobo,hdd,and a new lcd moniter [noob question] i cant find a 19 or 20 inch High Defination LCD moniter
can some one shed sum light on this! and finally i will stretch my budget plz suggest me good components
 
ur reply on C2D in other thread
enginurd said:
1) if you want only mild overclocking but better performance, then get the E6400. It has a higher multiplier, so you could afford a board that doesnt reach extreme FSB speeds. If you want a better board, then get the E6300. The tradeoff here is overclockability. The less you spend on the mobo, the less you could push that FSB speed.
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which mobo do u suggest for E6300 im interested in overclocking!!! which one shd i go for Foxconn,GIGABYTE,ASUS,ABit
plz suggest a good mobo that can achieve some awesome FSB speed. and any advices on ram i heard that if u take 512*2 DDR 667 sticks ram u can get 15 to 20 more speed than 1GB DDR2 single stick.



I know these are a bit lengthy Questions, but please help me friends, i dont want to repent later on

Looking fwd to hear from you all....................

Thanks & Regards
 
1) The E6600 is worth it if you want the system to last a while. If you upgrade every couple years or so, go with an E6300. If you upgrade every 3-5 yrs, go with the E6600. How much better is it? its 2mb of L2 cache better. How does that translate to performance? Well, if you do any tasks that are memory intensive, then more cache will help you. Generally, more cache improves the overall performance of the system. Cache is the fastest memory in the system, next is ram, then its hdd.

2) 3+Ghz? you're still stuck on the Mhz Myth. Go read up on the core2duos, lol. A 1.8Ghz Core2Duo will outperform a 3.6Ghz PentiumD, all because of the better marchitecture.

3) The ones I listed fit that criteria. All P965 Express and I975X chipset based boards will support the latest hardware for quite a while. PCI-Express is just an infant, and DDR3 won't be used until 2009.

4) E6300 if u plan to upgrade within a couple years, E6600 if you want to keep it longer.

5) You should spend more on graphics if you want to game seemlessly at high resolutions and high settings without having to upgrade for a while. If you dont mind gaming at medium settings and upgrading every 1.5yrs, you can just get a midrange card, ~$150 - $200. If you want to keep it longer, spend more, ~$300 - $400.

6) Price drops are coming BEFORE vista comes out. Everyone is clearing their stock for new parts, namely dx10 cards and new mobo revisions (nforce 600 series). ATI's dx10 cards are due out in jan. Kentsfield is due out soon (before year end, Core2Quad), though I doubt they'll affect current cpu prices at all (except the X6800).

7) The E6300 won't be a bottleneck for a while. Yes, it can play all current games. Gaming is more dependent on the GPU rather than the CPU (except, of course, for CPU intensive games).

HD pertains to TVs, not LCD monitors. 1080p gives you a resolution of 1920x1080. If you want that resolution on a monitor, get the Dell 2407FPW 24" LCD. Otherwise, just get either a 20" wide or 19" wide LCD. Newegg has a BenQ 20" model for only $270.

Either of the motherboards I suggested will overclock well.

EDIT: Sorry, I meant P965 Express.
The difference between P965Express and nForce650SLI/680SLI is sli support, besides the obvious fact that one is made by intel while the other is made by nVIDIA. The difference between 965 and 975x is crossfire support. The difference between 965 and 650Ultra is probably nothing noteworthy.

The advantage of SLI is being able to use two videocards as one in order to give you about 30% more gpu power. Most current games will run fine off of one GPU, but if you want to run games at higher resolutions with max settings, you'll need the extra power. Go read up on SLI.
 
enginurd said:
1) The E6600 is worth it if you want the system to last a while. If you upgrade every couple years or so, go with an E6300. If you upgrade every 3-5 yrs, go with the E6600. How much better is it? its 2mb of L2 cache better. How does that translate to performance? Well, if you do any tasks that are memory intensive, then more cache will help you. Generally, more cache improves the overall performance of the system. Cache is the fastest memory in the system, next is ram, then its hdd.

2) 3+Ghz? you're still stuck on the Mhz Myth. Go read up on the core2duos, lol. A 1.8Ghz Core2Duo will outperform a 3.6Ghz PentiumD, all because of the better marchitecture.

3) The ones I listed fit that criteria. All P865 Express and I975X chipset based boards will support the latest hardware for quite a while. PCI-Express is just an infant, and DDR3 won't be used until 2009.

4) E6300 if u plan to upgrade within a couple years, E6600 if you want to keep it longer.

5) You should spend more on graphics if you want to game seemlessly at high resolutions and high settings without having to upgrade for a while. If you dont mind gaming at medium settings and upgrading every 1.5yrs, you can just get a midrange card, ~$150 - $200. If you want to keep it longer, spend more, ~$300 - $400.

6) Price drops are coming BEFORE vista comes out. Everyone is clearing their stock for new parts, namely dx10 cards and new mobo revisions (nforce 600 series). ATI's dx10 cards are due out in jan. Kentsfield is due out soon (before year end, Core2Quad), though I doubt they'll affect current cpu prices at all (except the X6800).

7) The E6300 won't be a bottleneck for a while. Yes, it can play all current games. Gaming is more dependent on the GPU rather than the CPU (except, of course, for CPU intensive games).

HD pertains to TVs, not LCD monitors. 1080p gives you a resolution of 1920x1080. If you want that resolution on a monitor, get the Dell 2407FPW 24" LCD. Otherwise, just get either a 20" wide or 19" wide LCD. Newegg has a BenQ 20" model for only $270.

Either of the motherboards I suggested will overclock well.
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thanks man thx for clearing my doubts :D

an another noobie question whats the difference between 965 chipset and the new(nforce 600 series). nd i want to know whats the advantage of SLI
 
You can still have a very decent system for about $800 if you buy a Dell that comes with an LCD monitor and Core 2 Duo. Then buy an Video card, slap it in and there you go.
 
Danny Bui said:
You can still have a very decent system for about $800 if you buy a Dell that comes with an LCD monitor and Core 2 Duo. Then buy an Video card, slap it in and there you go.
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My only word of caution here is that Dell uses rather weak PSUs... usually only capable of powering the components it came with, plus a couple more drives. If you'll be getting, say, a 7900GT or higher, I'd suggest looking into replacing the Dell PSU.

Set a budget, and you can compare what we suggest vs a Dell. For non-gaming, budget systems, I recommend Dell to friends and family. For gaming systems, I recommend custom built because you get better quality parts (you know the parts you're getting and most have a 3yr warranty) that will perform better for less than what a similar prebuilt would cost.
 
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