New PC for my dad (work)

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Lone_Star_Lynch

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I'll be building it with my dad's help, and I'll be buying it on newegg. We'll be ordering this next Friday, Feb. 9th, or some time after that. This PC will be for running multiple OS's at the same time using the new VMware technology. I don't know much about it, just what he's told me, but obviously you'll need lotsa RAM and a decent CPU. Here's the list of parts that I have as of now... I would like any comments or suggestions. BTW the graphics card is going to me, while my dad will be getting my 6600, he won't be doing any gaming on this PC, so it will be alright. I DO NOT want to see any "Go Intel lol" posts, as they are completely useless.

Case- http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811119077
NEWER Mobo- http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813128321
NEW GPU- Unsure
PSU- http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817189005
CPU- http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103741 (yeah we will probably be OCing this thing, unless it performs perfectly without it)
RAM- http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820144060
HDD- http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136011
NEW Monitor- http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16824009100
NEW Mouse- http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16826104015
NEW Keyboard- http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16823126178

Total: $1,430.91...
 
go intel lol (no, seriously, why not? just wondering)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128012 Gigabyte DS3 $133
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005 $187

total: $320, the CPU is killer and the MoBo is top of the line, dont let the price fool you
the total of the CPU and MOBO you picked is also $320 :confused:

dont understand why you would want a SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKER machine, when you could get a SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER machine for the same EXACT PRICE

sorry :D just thought id give it a try. now that thats out of the way:

wondering if youre going to get 2 more of those RAM sticks in the future? if not, consider getting 4 sticks of 1gb RAM, would be quicker and cheaper. everything else looks really good, good luck
 
Thank you, and I probably will build an Intel PC some time, I'm just not ready to make the switch at the moment. We will be getting another 4gb in the future, and also we'll be upgrading it to a DX10 graphics card. I'm thinking the next PC I build, which will be for my other brother who is still going an an Athlon 2100+, will likely be Intel just so I could have the experience. He won't mind what is in it as long as it's good lol.
 
you should seriously think about going C2D, or else it looks like you are just going to spend more money on less performance, which makes absolutely no sense:confused:
 
I've already disclosed that I don't want to have posts here about Intel... 1 was enough, and at least he helped me in his post. I appreciate you trying to get me to buy the "better" CPU, but I don't see how a 1.8 ghz C2D would have more performance than a 2.2 ghz Athlon X2, with both at stock as us OCing is unlikely... the only probably difference there is a possibility of being is likely only about 1 FPS in games. Not a great reason to go Intel when I've been loyal to AMD all of my life. If i wanted a C2D, it would have been on my original list, thank you very much.
 
i know you dont want to discuss it but i feel like you might want to know this, since you seem to be a little misinformed. :)

GHZ isnt the only thing that makes a processor fast. core 2 duo has double the Cache (important), the circuit designs inside the processor, the quality of the components inside, and much more that they cant list is what makes a processor powerful, not the GHZ. you know, in the past most of intels processors had higher GHZ (a lot of intels were like 3.4 ghz) but AMD used to kick their ass all the time! (with 2.4 ghz AMD processors). so you see GHZ means nothing.

look http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2014650,00.asp

even stock, the core 2 duo will beat your processor by A LOT in EVERY type of work you do on the computer. and there are many more tests out there that will show the same or worse for AMD.

loyalty isnt good to have with these companies, they would NOT be loyal to you. they are loyal to $$$ and so should you be. i wont post again but i just thought you might like to be informed. make the jump man, its pointless not to. good luck either way.
 
InCogneato said:
go intel lol (no, seriously, why not? just wondering)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128012 Gigabyte DS3 $133
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005 $187

total: $320, the CPU is killer and the MoBo is top of the line, dont let the price fool you
the total of the CPU and MOBO you picked is also $320 :confused:

dont understand why you would want a SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKER machine, when you could get a SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER machine for the same EXACT PRICE

sorry :D just thought id give it a try. now that thats out of the way:

wondering if youre going to get 2 more of those RAM sticks in the future? if not, consider getting 4 sticks of 1gb RAM, would be quicker and cheaper. everything else looks really good, good luck
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My budget PC has a DS3 6300 and X850 PE edition. Runs source at max widescreen and many many process's :D . Make shure the RAM is compatible with the motherboard by the way.
 
ARE THE DAMN COMPONENTS THAT I PICKED GOOD OR NOT!?

Seriously, I posted this topic for one reason. I want an AMD PC. I picked out some parts. I want to know if they will do what I had in mind. :p
 
Lone_Star_Lynch said:
ARE THE DAMN COMPONENTS THAT I PICKED GOOD OR NOT!?
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I doubt a $50 500 watt will be good. I use hiper power supplies even on my budget builds, you can look into them if you want. I've never heard about the RAM you chose, but if its compatible with your motherboard then it can't hurt to give it a try. Make shure the RAM is compatible with the motherboard, I've heard stories of people like getting 800 mhz but the motherboard will only take it to 533 mhz. I've never had that problem so I'm not really shure why it happens or exactly what its about, but its something you could research before buying $500 ram.
 
Thanks for that, I'll look into it... Many times I've seen people recommending the goodpower for budget PC's, so I'm assuming its an alright PSU. We don't need a quad sli PSU or anything, not even close.
 
Lone_Star_Lynch said:
Thanks for that, I'll look into it... Many times I've seen people recommending the goodpower for budget PC's, so I'm assuming its an alright PSU. We don't need a quad sli PSU or anything, not even close.
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Really? Well i've never heard of them. Ohya.. 32 bit can only use like 2 or 3gb of ram last time I checked, but I'm not exactly shure how it works with Vmware, but if Vmware is the same program people use to dual log on games to use hacks then it cuts your cpu in half everytime you run a new one. It might not be the same program.
 
The PSU is good.

For an AMD pc, it's quite good for the price. But, once again, I direct your attention back to the boys in blue. It doesn't have as many ghz's as Intel, but the core2duo is beating the pants off AMD.
 
the PC is for your dad not for you stop being greedy! HAHA jk

that PSU is very good quality, i believe it will be fine for this rig and a great price to boot :)

edit: beat me to it
 
Bbq said:
The PSU is good.

For an AMD pc, it's quite good for the price. But, once again, I direct your attention back to the boys in blue. It doesn't have as many ghz's as Intel, but the core2duo is beating the pants off AMD.
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Yeah I know. It looks like I'm the counterbalance, fighting for AMD against the legions of screaming Intel fans... :p My dad and I are only interested in AMD at the moment, this is gonna be a big build and we'll be using it for very important tasks, at least my dad will be anyway, and I've never built an Intel PC before. Like I said in one of my first posts, I'll build a core 2 duo build sometime, or whatever the new standard is then, just so I can experiment. Stop brainwashing me now! :D

So, my new question is since I'm not at all RAM savvy if that memory will work in that motherboard, that's all I need to know, and then we can let this thread sink. If there's no way of determining the compatibility, I would love to be pointed to a good amount of memory, that would work, or a motherboard that will support the memory. A mobo that is also AM2, might I add!

InCogneato said:
the PC is for your dad not for you stop being greedy! HAHA jk

that PSU is very good quality, i believe it will be fine for this rig and a great price to boot :)

edit: beat me to it
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This PC is gonna be awesome though, not great for gaming unless we gave it a graphics upgrade, because like I said I'm getting the 7950 while my dad gets my old 6600, but it will be great for everything else... And I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the PSU was only 50 bucks haha
 
Well for an AMD build, its a great build. I say go for it. But make sure you're using a 64bit OS as 32Bit can't use over 3GB I believe.

Have fun with it!
 
Danny Bui said:
Well for an AMD build, its a great build. I say go for it. But make sure you're using a 64bit OS as 32Bit can't use over 3GB I believe.

Have fun with it!
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Thanks! And since this PC will be solely for work pretty much, until my dad stops working at this place, the 64 bit os will be supplied I believe. It's basically a test project that everyone will be doing.
 
Sorry for the double posts anyone who minds, but I've decided to go with a better motherboard, just to assure compatibility with the memory and also just stability and ability in general. I'll post the link to it here, and also edit my original post to include it...

ABIT Fatal1ty: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813127237

I know I know sort of overkill and maybe even a waste of a good gaming board, but that's one thing I don't want to skimp on, the motherboard. This PC will one day have 8 gigs of ddr2 800, and possibly an Athlon X2 fifty hundred something, or better. This will make a nice gaming PC in the future when it's workhorse duties are done, hopefully when two 8600 ultra's join the party.
 
I can't comment on how well that board will work with that ram, as I've very little experience with AM2 builds. I've only built 3 AM2 systems, and have used corsair ram in all 3, just to insure compatibility, lol. All I know is, AM2 is VERY picky about ram, so make sure it will work.

The XClio is a great PSU for the price, stick with it. This system should be a good gamer in the future? how long into the future will this turn into a gaming rig? just curious. and btw, you'll need to enable something in the bios for all that ram to be recognized (but still will only be able to use about 3.2-3.5gb out of the 4gb).

Anyhow, go ahead and buy AMD. I need AMD to gain market share so their share prices will go up :D They're down for a reason: nobody is buying amd because intel has the best performance for the money. BUY AMD! :cool: I actually own both intel and amd, so it doesnt matter to me which one you buy, lol (got in on both at around $16). FYI, brand loyalty doesnt help anyone but the brand.
 
Any idea on what AM2 mobos would work alright with 2x 2gb of RAM? And I'm not sure when this may become a gaming PC, whenever my dad stops working at this company, unless he wants to keep learning on it.
 
I know you dont want this but here have this for future referance...

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802&p=1

its a very good review where the testers used BOTH amd and c2d and put them up to the same tests you can see for yourself the diffrence

its not a brainwash link its pure numbers that mean alot. just cehck it out its all explained there

sorry for bugging you but since you said you will be buidling a c2d in the future thought u might like a light read
 
Thanks, I already know that C2D is faster than AMD's current chips. I might have gone C2D with this build now, but my dad's company wants only AMD builds, which I just found out... My question is still what good AM2 mobos will like 2x 2gb of memory, or maybe even 4x 1 gb, or just 2x 1 gb if all else fails, and then possibly 2x 512 mb, for 3 gigs all together.
 
well not to rag on your dads work but they need to face up to the times...

as for the mobo, as far as i know win xp can only handel up to 2 gigs or 3 gigs somewhere around there in 32 bit mode and 4 gigs in 64 bit mode

so yeah... running vmware is a beast of a program i use it evey once in a while to test new apps and code that could cause hard if coded wrong...

dont know about amd stuff but this board should be nice
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321 ~ 89 bucks
 
tdktank59 said:
well not to rag on your dads work but they need to face up to the times...

as for the mobo, as far as i know win xp can only handel up to 2 gigs or 3 gigs somewhere around there in 32 bit mode and 4 gigs in 64 bit mode

so yeah... running vmware is a beast of a program i use it evey once in a while to test new apps and code that could cause hard if coded wrong...

dont know about amd stuff but this board should be nice
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321 ~ 89 bucks
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Yer kidding right? If i was running a business i wouldnt want the fastest PC for the money...... :rolleyes:
 
Hagrid said:
Yer kidding right? If i was running a business i wouldnt want the fastest PC for the money...... :rolleyes:
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then id get a C2D...

plus dude i seriously know nothing about amd... sept that there cpus are diffrent then intels lol (go figure) i was just looking for decent parts... (or at least what i thought where decent for the cpu...
 
Wow... relax people... let him buy amd, lol. I think he got the message already. We still need people to buy AMD!! If amd goes under, intel will keep selling us core2duos for the next 20 years! :mad: Also, the performance difference isn't that much, really, especially for the price (the 3800+ X2 is only $135).
 
Danny Bui said:
The OP listed an XClio Goodpower 500W PSU, not the Rosewill one you posted.
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I know, I was suggesting the Rosewill over the XClio.

FYI the XClio Goodpower 500W PSU has been recommended throughout this forum and its on the recommended power supply list as well.
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Even so, jonnyguru's PSU reviews are the best I know of and the Rosewill scores very high compared to much higher priced PSUs. Also, the "Goodpower" series isn't on his list of recommended PSUs while the Rosewill scores higher than most Tier 3's recommended by him.
 
si0dine said:
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Even so, jonnyguru's PSU reviews are the best I know of and the Rosewill scores very high compared to much higher priced PSUs. Also, the "Goodpower" series isn't on his list of recommended PSUs while the Rosewill scores higher than most Tier 3's recommended by him.
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The problem with buying a Rosewill PSU is that its a rebadged "SOMETHING." Rosewill is Newegg's house brand, and from what I've read, they use a number of different suppliers for their rebadged parts. Unfortunately, theres no way of knowing which one you'll get, and no, they don't all perform the same.

The XClio 500W Goodpower uses CWT, which is the same supplier Antec uses for their Smartpower line. The only difference I know of between the two is that the XClio has a single 120mm fan, while the SP2.0 uses dual 80mm smartfans and is modular. All 3 PSUs (rosewill, antec, xclio) listed in this post use the notorious Fuhjyyu caps.

The dreaded "F" word, Fuhjyyu caps populate the secondary side. Before you go running around the room with your arms waving over your head and screaming "OMG!" bear in mind that from personal experience I've had two CWT based Antecs with the Fuhjyyu caps in them that lasted for over three years of 24/7 usage. ... I've always been an advocate of good case cooling and this just reinforces that if you don't overheat these caps you're fine as far as reliability goes. That said, I'd avoid using this PSU if you're cooling impaired and you're relying on the PSU for a major portion of your PC cooling.
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Same goes for the Antec and XClio, since they use the same caps.
The Rosewill RP500-2 is a real eye opener. Here we have this much maligned PSU brand that everyone automatically writes off as sheer crapola that is actually kicking ass and taking names. True, Rosewill is hit and miss with their choice of OEM's but it looks like when they hit they hit like the old George Foreman!
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FYI, the Rosewill isn't on the JG recommended list either, for this same exact reason (hit and miss with the oem with rosewill). Why take a chance? The one madmat reviewed on JG was an ATNG. The cost of this unit is almost the same as the XClio... I see no point in taking the chance of not getting an ATNG rebadged Rosewill. Stick with the XClio and know what you're getting.
 
tdktank59 said:
then id get a C2D...

plus dude i seriously know nothing about amd... sept that there cpus are diffrent then intels lol (go figure) i was just looking for decent parts... (or at least what i thought where decent for the cpu...
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Yeah, I was just being sarcastic. The guys dad wants AMD and I guess nothing else. Just sad to see people who stick with brands cuz of a name.
 
lol im not trying to make him go intel lol the first like 5 posts told me hes sticking i was just informing him for future

but yeah lol

anyways lone_star have fun!
 
Thanks guys, I'm going to update my original post with the parts I've picked out now. I'm sure my dad would be willing to go Intel, but his job demands AMD. :p
 
Don't buy that psu.

Try the XClio goodpower 500w for about the same price, or the Corsair HX 520 (zipzoomfly has the best prices) for a bit more.
 
I was originally getting the goodpower, and decided it may not have enough SATA connections. Now that I think about it, it should be OK, I think I'll go with that instead.

EDIT: Now I'm not exactly sure what graphics card to go for... I'll need something better than my 6600, as the 6600 will go to my dad, and not too expensive, I'm talking only around 100 dollars, and if it needs to go over nothing more than 120.
 
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