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New gaming pc

sammy159

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Hello [H],
I just sold my high end comp...So building a PC with lowest possible Power consumption w/ reasonable Gaming PerformanCe.
My friend Recomended me a Rig.
No Specific Budget..Doesnt matter if it Goes over 3K.But it Should have lowest Power Consumption.
I Wont be Overclocking nor Dual GPU.
But a Best Gaming Mobo
Non Widescreen Gaming with LG 1960TQ

Rig:
CPU: Intel i5 670 (3.46) 73W / Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400S 65W / Intel Core2Duo E8400 65W.

Mobo: EVGA P55 SLI 659 / DFI X48 T3RS.

Ram: 2 x 4GB / 2 X 2GB

HDD: OCZ Vertex EX (SLC) 250GB + 4TB WD (External) / 6 x 2TB WD

GPU: ATI 5770,5850,5750,5670HD / nvidia GT240

Monitor: LG 1960TQ / Viewsonic vx922

PSU: 350W [Gold Certified] or 450W [Gold Certified] not more than this.

Case: CM 690

Speaker: Razer Mako or Logitech Z-2320

Keyboard: Steelseries
Mice: MS 3.0
mousepad: Razer
 
why do you need low power consumpion? are you off the grid or something. its not to save money since you dont mind dropping 3k on a brand new build.


also keep in mind a 1000w and a 350 w PSU will draw the same power with the same componets. so get a 85%+ PSU.
 
It'll take me more time to ask about your choices than it would to give you my recommendations, so....

$261 - AMD Phenom II X2 555 and XFX HD-577A-ZNDC HD5770 combo deal (free shipping on both)
$95 - Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3 (free shipping)
$105 - G.Skill 2x2GB DDR3 1600 dual channel kit (free shipping)
$408 - Two OCZ Vertex OCZSSD2-1VTX60G 60GB SSDs (at $204 each; free shipping)
$65 - Antec Earthwatts EA-500D Green 500W PSU (80 Plus BRONZE rated; free shipping)
(choose your own case and peripherals)

First off, there aren't any 350-450 watt PSUs that are 80 Plus Gold certified (that are available at most major retailers). That, plus the fact that even an 80 Plus Bronze rated PSU is more efficient than any non-80 Plus certified PSU means that you won't have to really worry about wasted energy. Besides, you do realize that a computer system's energy consumption is at its highest while you're gaming, right? And that you can minimize energy consumption in general by putting your system to Sleep/Hibernate whenever you're not using it over long periods of time?

Do you really need more than 2TB of total storage? Seriously? It would be a more effective (if not cheaper) plan to buy two lower capacity SSDs and put them together in a RAID 0 configuration.
 
Thanks...Guys


But I would Prefer a Newer Processor
@tiraides
There are 400W PSU Gold rated by Enermax
Just Check The 80plus.org Site
There are many
 
Thanks...Guys


But I would Prefer a Newer Processor
@tiraides
There are 400W PSU Gold rated by Enermax
Just Check The 80plus.org Site
There are many

Umm, the Phenom II 555 is one of the newest CPUs out now. What exactly did you mean by "newer"?

Tiraides wasn't wrong exactly. He did say "that are available at most major retailers". Yes there are Gold rated 350W to 450W PSUs. However, none of them are for sale. The two Enermax 450W PSUs you mentioned aren't being sold anywhere. Likewise, the gold rated DPS-350W and DPS-450W aren't being anywhere. The other four 400W to 450W PSUs I found in the 80plus excel sheet were only 1U and again, not sold anywhere.

So for all intents and purposes, for the consumer, there are no gold-rated 350 to 450W PSUs.
 
But I would Prefer a Newer Processor

I believe you may be misinformed, what makes you think the Phenom II X2 is an old processor? Just because the i5 dual core is new does NOT make it better than the phenom, hence why tiraides suggested it. I would suggest you look up some benchmarks on the processor before you judge it by when it was released.
 
CPU: Intel i5 670 (3.46) 73W / Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400S 65W / Intel Core2Duo E8400 65W.
Mobo: EVGA P55 SLI 659 / DFI X48 T3RS.
Ram: 2 x 4GB / 2 X 2GB
HDD: OCZ Vertex EX (SLC) 250GB + 4TB WD (External) / 6 x 2TB WD
GPU: ATI 5770,5850,5750,5670HD / nvidia GT240
Monitor: LG 1960TQ / Viewsonic vx922
PSU: 350W [Gold Certified] or 450W [Gold Certified] not more than this.
Case: CM 690
Speaker: Razer Mako or Logitech Z-2320
Keyboard: Steelseries
Mice: MS 3.0
mousepad: Razer
For processor I would opt for the i5. For the motherboard, a P55 chipset one. For graphics card, either the HD5770 or the HD5850 (depends on your budget). In terms of memory, if you have the budget for 8 gigs of ram, why not, but honestly 4 gigs should be enough (mind you I have 6 gigs on my core i7 rig). For screen I would absolutely recommend you to jump to 16:9 ratio and get a 23 inch. You Will then be able to watch BluRay and widescreen movies there, and gaming in widescreen is really another experience alltogether. For a PSU, I would absolutely get something of at least 500 watts and 80 Plus silver if possible. For the case, CM690 has done it's time, it's now the CM 690 II Advanced, a very very good case which I own.
 
For processor I would opt for the i5. For the motherboard, a P55 chipset one. For graphics card, either the HD5770 or the HD5850 (depends on your budget). In terms of memory, if you have the budget for 8 gigs of ram, why not, but honestly 4 gigs should be enough (mind you I have 6 gigs on my core i7 rig). For screen I would absolutely recommend you to jump to 16:9 ratio and get a 23 inch. You Will then be able to watch BluRay and widescreen movies there, and gaming in widescreen is really another experience alltogether. For a PSU, I would absolutely get something of at least 500 watts and 80 Plus silver if possible. For the case, CM690 has done it's time, it's now the CM 690 II Advanced, a very very good case which I own.

I have to disagree, for the most part, as I don't believe that you have to spend every cent of your (or the OP's) budget.

The Core i5 dual cores don't perform that much better than the Athlon/Phenom II equivalents as to consider them a better choice over the more cost-effective AMD models. That's especially true in regards to the motherboards, as AMD boards often have more features for the same (approximate) price range.

You don't really need 4GB for a gaming machine, let alone 6GB or 8GB.

The OP, IIRC, is using a 19" 1280x1024 (correct me if I'm wrong, though) monitor. To be honest, even the HD5770 could be considered overkill for that resolution. I personally don't recommend Blu-ray drives unless the user already has BR media playback software and/or plans on taking full advantage of the technology.

The EA-500D is more than enough for my, Danny Bui, or the OP's build lists. It's also certified for 80 Plus Bronze, so it's not exactly garbage.

Just because the CM 690 II is out doesn't mean that the original 690 is no longer a good choice. (Though I can't really understand why the original 690 haven't dropped in price yet.)
 
I have to disagree, for the most part, as I don't believe that you have to spend every cent of your (or the OP's) budget.

The Core i5 dual cores don't perform that much better than the Athlon/Phenom II equivalents as to consider them a better choice over the more cost-effective AMD models. That's especially true in regards to the motherboards, as AMD boards often have more features for the same (approximate) price range.

You don't really need 4GB for a gaming machine, let alone 6GB or 8GB.

The OP, IIRC, is using a 19" 1280x1024 (correct me if I'm wrong, though) monitor. To be honest, even the HD5770 could be considered overkill for that resolution. I personally don't recommend Blu-ray drives unless the user already has BR media playback software and/or plans on taking full advantage of the technology.

The EA-500D is more than enough for my, Danny Bui, or the OP's build lists. It's also certified for 80 Plus Bronze, so it's not exactly garbage.

Just because the CM 690 II is out doesn't mean that the original 690 is no longer a good choice. (Though I can't really understand why the original 690 haven't dropped in price yet.)

Absolutely +1 for everything you just said.
 
CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 905e 65w
Mobo - ASUS M4A89GTD PRO AM3 AMD 890GX
XFX HD-567X-YNFC Radeon HD 5670 61w

Also the 5770 as suggested above typically uses 108w alone

as an alternative to the 5670 2x XFX HD-557X-ZHF2 Radeon HD 5570 would draw a total of 84w between the pair & give better performance then the 5670 & Still allot less power draw then the 5770

Going this route you could also start out with a single 5570 & see if it does what you need, & if it does then great your only at 42w draw for video & if it doesnt add the 2nd card for crossfire which still keeps it fairly low on power..

Also for the PSU I would go with the CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX
 
I agree with tiraides. However, if you must have Intel, avoid the entire i5 line except the 750. So in other words, go for the i3-530 or the i5-750... because anything in between isn't worth it over a Ph2/Ath2 from AMD.
 
Thanks...............
Bro


i have decided Upon a Config:-

CPU:- AMD Phenom II X4 905e 65W
Mobo:- ASUS M4A89GTD PRO
GPU:- 2 x 5670
Ram:- 8GB DD3 1600
HDD:- 1 Ocz Z-drive 512Gb + 4TB WD External
Monitor:- Acer 120hz
PSU:- Seasonic X650 650W Gold Certified PSU
Case:- CM 690 II Advanced
Speakers:- Razer mako
Headphone:- Steelseries Siberia v2
Mice:- Microsoft Intelli Mouse 3.0
Mousepad:- Razer mantis
keyBoard:- Saitek Ecllipse III or Steelseries 7G / Merc Stealth


A GOOOD UPS
 
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Sammy, if you want to save a little bit more money and don't mind the brand name you could go with

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817814018&Tpk=17-814-018

It's 900W and gold certified.

And it's crap. That 900W PSU is based on the same design as this ABS 1100W PSU:
http://hardocp.com/article/2010/01/22/abs_majesty_mj1100m_1100w_power_supply_review/1

In that review, that 1100W PSU was found to be barely capable of 800W of power. So since that 900W PSU is based on the same platform, more than likely it's only gonna be able to provide 800W of power. As such, that ABS 900W PSU is not worth buying since you're not getting a 900W PSU at all: Just an ok 800W PSU at best. Might as well buy a PSU that will give you the rated power as stated on the label.
 
And it's crap. That 900W PSU is based on the same design as this ABS 1100W PSU:
http://hardocp.com/article/2010/01/22/abs_majesty_mj1100m_1100w_power_supply_review/1

In that review, that 1100W PSU was found to be barely capable of 800W of power. So since that 900W PSU is based on the same platform, more than likely it's only gonna be able to provide 800W of power. As such, that ABS 900W PSU is not worth buying since you're not getting a 900W PSU at all: Just an ok 800W PSU at best. Might as well buy a PSU that will give you the rated power as stated on the label.

Even if it doesn't deliever the full 900W I don't think it will be any worse than a x650 in terms of power delievery. X650 is a great psu though and I have one myself.

Let's pretend it delievers 85% for the ABS and you're still at 765W and it cost 155.98
X650 @ 90% and you're at 585W and it cost 159.99.

Numbers wise you are no worse off with the ABS than with the seasonic.
 
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That ABS is still a bad buy even it could be an ok 800W PSU considering that you can get a quality 950W PSU for the same price:
$150 - Corsair 950TX 950W PSU

Regardless of the fact that ABS 900W PSU is Gold rated, the fact that it's only capable of 800W makes it a bad buy. I mean why pay for a 900W PSU that's only capable of 800W when there are 950W PSUs that can deliver 950W of power in the same price range?
 
That ABS is still a bad buy even it could be an ok 800W PSU considering that you can get a quality 950W PSU for the same price:
$150 - Corsair 950TX 950W PSU

Regardless of the fact that ABS 900W PSU is Gold rated, the fact that it's only capable of 800W makes it a bad buy. I mean why pay for a 900W PSU that's only capable of 800W when there are 950W PSUs that can deliver 950W of power in the same price range?

What? Do you mean efficiency? And why would you load your psu to the full load?

Even the sucky 1100W model could deliever full load or just about at 1097 http://hardocp.com/article/2010/01/22/abs_majesty_mj1100m_1100w_power_supply_review/4

@85% efficiency. I think you are slightly confused here.
 
What? Do you mean efficiency? And why would you load your psu to the full load?

I'm talking about full load. Would I load a PSU to full load? No. But when you're buying a PSU, you should get the wattage/amperage it was rated at. If that PSU can't provide its rated wattage cleanly and reliably, it's not a good PSU. Especially if there are PSUs in the same price range that can provide their rated wattage/amperage.

Look at the ripple testing:
http://hardocp.com/article/2010/01/22/abs_majesty_mj1100m_1100w_power_supply_review/8
That was what I was talking about, not the efficiency.
 
I'm talking about full load. Would I load a PSU to full load? No. But when you're buying a PSU, you should get the wattage/amperage it was rated at. If that PSU can't provide its rated wattage cleanly and reliably, it's not a good PSU. Especially if there are PSUs in the same price range that can provide their rated wattage/amperage.

Even that sucky 1100W model could deliver full load @85%. If you're a causal user you would not see your psu go to full load.
 
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I'm talking about full load. Would I load a PSU to full load? No. But when you're buying a PSU, you should get the wattage/amperage it was rated at. If that PSU can't provide its rated wattage cleanly and reliably, it's not a good PSU. Especially if there are PSUs in the same price range that can provide their rated wattage/amperage.

Look at the ripple testing:
http://hardocp.com/article/2010/01/22/abs_majesty_mj1100m_1100w_power_supply_review/8
That was what I was talking about, not the efficiency.

From that review, It's ripple testing fails at high load not at 50%.
 
Even that sucky 1100W model could deliver full load. If you're a causal user you would not see your psu go to full load.

You missed the point: It did deliver full load. But it did so by having out of spec ripple. Meaning that it would have definitely caused hardware damage if it was ever taken to full load. As such, it could not be considered a 1100W PSU if it hurts the hardware.

You are right that most people won't take their PSUs full load. But that doesn't matter in this case: Why pay $150 for a 900W PSU thats capable of only 800W when you can get a $150 950W PSU that's capable of 950W?

I'm saying 800W because that 1100W PSU was ok at approximately 75% load, which was 800W. Since the ABS 900W PSU you linked is based the same platform, that HardOCP reviews shows it also being capable of 800W at least. With that said, there's a possibility that more than 800W of power is possible with that set up but there's no proof.
 
You missed the point: It did deliver full load. But it did so by having out of spec ripple. Meaning that it would have definitely caused hardware damage if it was ever taken to full load. As such, it could not be considered a 1100W PSU if it hurts the hardware.

You are right that most people won't take their PSUs full load. But that doesn't matter in this case: Why pay $150 for a 900W PSU thats capable of only 800W when you can get a $150 950W PSU that's capable of 950W?

That $150 psu you are talking about is really 950W divided X% in efficiency.
 
That $150 psu you are talking about is really 950W times X% in efficiency = XWatts to the system. It will depend on efficiency.

Ummm. no. You got it wrong. Efficiency merely states how much power is wasted when a PSU draws AC current from the wall and converts it to DC for use by computer parts. Since the Corsair 950TX is rated at DC, it's gonna provide 950W of power to the PC.
 
Ummm. no. You got it wrong. Efficiency merely states how much power is wasted when a PSU draws AC current from the wall and converts it to DC for use by computer parts. Since the Corsair 950TX is rated at DC, it's gonna provide 950W of power to the PC.

Yes its wrong, i mean its divided by X% efficiency. That corsair 950W still has efficiency that is worse than the abs.

Even if they have the same efficiency , both units are still selling at the same price at 149.99. ABS has 85% efficiency under full load.
 
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heh, nice z-drive in your config. ;)

Stick to a well-reviewed PSU (real review, not user reviews).

/me wonders if QuadMe works for Newegg/ABS, lol.
 
Yes its wrong, i mean its divided by X% efficiency. That corsair 950W still has efficiency that is worse than the abs.

The efficiency of the Corsair 950W is lower than the ABS but it's not as bad as you make it out to be. In this review, the Corsair 950TX had the following efficiency figures:
25% load: 86.46% 249W
50% load: 88.21% 494W
75% load: 86.32% 738W
100% load: 84.67% 950W

Whereas the ABS 1100W had the following:
25% load: 87.97% 278W
50% load: 89.14% 550W
75% load: 87.15% 800W
100% load: 84.91% 1097W

Those pretty small differences. At most it was 1.5% more efficient. So from an efficiency standpoint, not much of a difference.
EDIT (Another ninja edit eh? :)):
Even if they have the same efficiency , both units are still selling at the same price at 149.99. ABS has 85% efficiency under full load.
And the Corsair 950TX is only 84.67% efficient at full load and has been confirmed that it can deliver 950W of power. Compared that to the ABS whose PSU platform has only been confirmed to be capable of 800W.
 
The efficiency of the Corsair 950W is lower than the ABS but it's not as bad as you make it out to be. In this review, the Corsair 950TX had the following efficiency figures:
25% load: 86.46% 249W
50% load: 88.21% 494W
75% load: 86.32% 738W
100% load: 84.67% 950W

Whereas the ABS 1100W had the following:
25% load: 87.97% 278W
50% load: 89.14% 550W
75% load: 87.15% 800W
100% load: 84.91% 1097W

Those pretty small differences. At most it was 1.5% more efficient. So from an efficiency standpoint, not much of a difference.

Which means it's not better nor worse. It's also selling at the same price pretty much for the 900W model. :)
 
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Which means it's not better nor worse. It's also selling at the same price pretty much for the 900W model. :)
Huh? Read what I wrote above again: "And the Corsair 950TX is only 84.67% efficient at full load and has been confirmed that it can deliver 950W of power. Compared that to the ABS whose PSU platform has only been confirmed to be capable of 800W."

So again, why pay for a 900W PSU that's only been confirmed to be capable of 800W when for the same price you can get a 950W PSU capable of providing 950W of power?
 
Huh? Read what I wrote above again: "And the Corsair 950TX is only 84.67% efficient at full load and has been confirmed that it can deliver 950W of power. Compared that to the ABS whose PSU platform has only been confirmed to be capable of 800W."

So again, why pay for a 900W PSU that's only been confirmed to be capable of 800W when for the same price you can get a 950W PSU capable of providing 950W of power?

Huh??? That 900W abs model will deliver 900W @ 85% if that 1100W review is anything to go by since it was capable of 1097W. When has it been confirmed that the 900W model will only deliver 800W at load?

Where are you getting this from?? You are confused.
 
Huh??? That 900W abs model will deliver 900W @ 85% if that 1100W review is anything to go by since it was capable of 1097W. When has it been confirmed that the 900W model will only deliver 800W at load?

Where are you getting this from?? You are confused.

Ok, you're the one confused, not me. Okay follow this: That 1100 PSU was capable of 1097W only because it exceeded ATX ripple specifications. As such, it cannot be considered a 1100W PSU since it can't do so without exceeding ATX specs and therefore without harming PC hardware. However that review did show that 1100W PSU being capable of providing 800W of power safely and cleanly.

Since the ABS 900W is based on the same platform as the 1100W, it's fair to say that ABS 900W is at least capable of 800W of power. However there is no proof showing that 900W PSU isn't like the ABS 1100W where it would have out of spec ripple when loaded to 900W. Hence my statement: The ABS 900W has only been shown to be capable of 800W.
 
Ok, you're the one confused, not me. Okay follow this: That 1100 PSU was capable of 1097W only because it exceeded ATX ripple specifications. As such, it cannot be considered a 1100W PSU since it can't do so without exceeding ATX specs and therefore without harming PC hardware. However that review did show that 1100W PSU being capable of providing 800W of power safely and cleanly.

Since the ABS 900W is based on the same platform as the 1100W, it's fair to say that ABS 900W is at least capable of 800W of power. However there is no proof showing that 900W PSU isn't like the ABS 1100W where it would have out of spec ripple when loaded to 900W. Hence my statement: The ABS 900W has only been shown to be capable of 800W.

Umm... There is no such statement made by that review. Hard only tested 25-50-75-100 and not in between. 1100W is 1100W... Ripple and efficiency are two different things. That ABS 900W will deliever 900W @ full load and I bet the OP won't even put 50% load on this psu for ripple to be an issue either.
 
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Umm... There is no such statement made by that review. 1100W is 1100W... Ripple and efficiency are two different things. That ABS 900W will deliever 900W @ full load and I bet the OP won't even put 50% load on this psu for ripple to be an issue either.

You don't need such a statement if you actually read the bloody review. And yes there was a statement:
If you want to pay $270 for a good 800 watt PSU, the this ABS 1100 watt unit fits the bill.

Again, providing the fully rated wattage doesn't mean shit if that rated wattage is delivered exceeding ATX specifications.
and I bet the OP won't even put 50% load on this psu for ripple to be an issue either.

I concur. But again, you're missing the point: Why pay for a 900W PSU when a 950W PSU is the same exact price and has been confirmed to be 950W of power?
 
You don't need such a statement if you actually read the bloody review. And yes there was a statement:


Again, providing the fully rated wattage doesn't mean shit if that rated wattage is delivered exceeding ATX specifications.

And i'll say it means shit since the op won't even use 50% of this power.
 
And i'll say it means shit since the op won't even use 50% of this power.

Missed my ninja edit:
You're missing the point: Why pay for a 900W PSU when a 950W PSU is the same exact price and has been confirmed to be 950W of power?

It's fine if you already bought the damn PSU. But since the OP hasn't bought a PSU, I see no reason whatsover to get that ABS 900W PSU considering the evidence so far.
 
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You're missing the point: Why pay for a 900W PSU when a 950W PSU is the same exact price and has been confirmed to be 950W of power?

It's fine if you already bought the damn PSU. But since the OP hasn't bought a PSU, I see no reason whatsover to get that ABS 900W PSU considering the evidence so far.

I don't see how your point really matters when a) it's slightly cheaper b) could hit 90% efficiency at @50% load c) has some extra avaliable power.

I already bought the x650 :).
 
I don't see how your point really matters when a) it's slightly cheaper b) could hit 90% efficiency at @50% load c) has some extra avaliable power.

I already bought the x650 :).
WTF? What PSU are you talking about? C doesn't make a lick of sense.

I know you bought the x650 but that's not the point of this discussion. I was merely pointing out if someone else bought the ABS 900W, it would fine for 800W.
 
WTF? What PSU are you talking about? C doesn't make a lick of sense.

I know you bought the x650 but that's not the point of this discussion. I was merely pointing out if someone else bought the ABS 900W, it would fine for 800W.

Umm I'm talking about the abs one vs x650. Even at 450W (50%) there still is that extra "clean" power (like 200W at least) avaliable. However, the 900 hasn't been really tested yet so it could be better in that regard too. I forgot to add that it's also modular if he's looking for less messy cables. Get it?

This thread is about the OP and not someone else who would use it at full load lol.
 
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Umm I'm talking about the abs one vs x650. Even at 450W (50%) there still is that extra "clean" power (like 200W at least) avaliable. However, the 900 hasn't been really tested yet so it could be better in that regard too. I forgot to add that it's also modular if he's looking for less messy cables. Get it?
I understand that the ABS 900W PSU would provide just as enough power as the x650. But I don't see why you would want to pay for a 900W PSU that can only output 800W. Are you saying that the modular cables makes that ABS 900W worth it even though it's only 800W? So in other words, an 800W modular PSU?
 
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