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gigglebyte

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well the only thing that appears to have been released are the new displays20", 23" and a whopping 30" that requires a dual DVI card to drive!
 
well I want to edit my original statement on the 30". I have been reading the documentation and it is unclear if it has to use both DVI connections or just one. Here is a clip from the spec page on the apple site

"The 30-inch Cinema HD Display* requires the next level of DVI connectivity — dual link to drive the massive amount of pixels to the screen. And the NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL graphics card delivers, with the most advanced graphics engine available. This card, designed specifically to support the dual link DVI connection, delivers 2560 by 1600 resolution."
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but then in the next section it says

"Even better, it can drive two 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Displays*, giving you the ultimate creative canvas"
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now does this mean that as long as you have a GF6800 or better you can drive the 30" or do you have to use both DVI's?
 
It's a single specialized DVI connection only available on that particular card. Meaning, those with PCs or without that $600 video card, regardless of whether you have a regular 6800 Ultra, are out of luck!
 
All I care about is WHERE do I get my hands on a 6800 for the Mac now. I don't see "Video cards" listed on the Apple Store anywhere. PLEASE please pleeeeeeeeease tell me I don't have to purchase a new G5 as a BTO to get one of these cards. (My ATI 9600/64 is good and all, but the frame rate on UT2K4 is KILLING me.)

Maybe some other vendors will be sporting the Mac version of the 6800 now? Anyone know?
 
Plus the addition of being able to get the 6800U for a enormous $599. Yowzers.But that was eventually going to happen anyhow.
 
now does this mean that as long as you have a GF6800 or better you can drive the 30" or do you have to use both DVI's?
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Come on giggle, you're the Apple employee! Start pullin some strings and find out for us! j/k man....
 
I have pulled all the info I have on them and it just isn't clear....it sounds like you have to have Dual DVI but then it also says you can drive (2) 30" displays....my head is just spinning here...I do have that question out right now and hopefully I will get an answer soon
 
gigglebyte said:
...it sounds like you have to have Dual DVI but then it also says you can drive (2) 30" displays...
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I'm guessing you can drive (1) Apple 30" display or (2) non-Apple 30" displays. No clue why, but that's how it's starting to sound. I could be way off here, but it seems to fit what's been stated so far.
 
:eek: Too bad I can't hook it up to a PC (yet atleast, still not too sure about it)
 
ProphetSix said:
I'm guessing you can drive (1) Apple 30" display or (2) non-Apple 30" displays. No clue why, but that's how it's starting to sound. I could be way off here, but it seems to fit what's been stated so far.
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no it states you can hook (2) 30" apple cinema displays besides i don't know of any other 30" displays out there right now...as for the PC currently the specs state it works with ONLY with the G5's and doesn't even list G4's as compatible...it will be interesting to see what happens on the PC side though...that is one sweet display
 
The 23" model looks like it would be great for gaming on the PC side plus you can still use the adapter to hookup to a PC.
 
ProphetSix said:
All I care about is WHERE do I get my hands on a 6800 for the Mac now. I don't see "Video cards" listed on the Apple Store anywhere. PLEASE please pleeeeeeeeease tell me I don't have to purchase a new G5 as a BTO to get one of these cards. (My ATI 9600/64 is good and all, but the frame rate on UT2K4 is KILLING me.)

Maybe some other vendors will be sporting the Mac version of the 6800 now? Anyone know?
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Here you go: Link :)
 
I must say that I would like to formally introduce apple's display line to 2004. In fact, I'd like to congratulate them on replacing their (2 year) outdated displays.

There have been other large displays that required dual connectors I believe, if I knew which and looked em up we'd probably know what the Apple display will be needing too.
 
There are two types of dvi cables. Single-link and dual-link. Normally single link carries only digital signal like a normal lcd and the dual-link carries analog and digital and has more pins. The 30" requires the extra pins to use for the digital signal thus requiring a specialized video card because normal dvi cards dont use these. Therefore only one cable is required and two of these monsters can be used at once. (imagining the 60" of glory and busting a nut) I'm sure that there will be card released for the pc soon that will support this video resolution and adapter if there aren't already. It makes me wonder though whether the 30" would work on regular dvi but at a lower resolution. hmmmmm...

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I looks like the 6800U pictured has the fat daddy heat sink attached that utilizes an ajacent pci slot. This slot is on the correct side to be used in a G5 but will not work on a G3/4 because the mobo is inverted on those machines. In addition unless the fan on that thing runs in reverse it doesnt look like it will comliment the G5's cooling system very well. It will be pushing against the fans in the PCI "thermal zone".

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maybe if you dremeld off that second PCI slot holder you could get it into a G4, but im not going to be the one to do that to a $600 video card.
 
While Apple's monitors are great, and even larger monitors are even better, I wish Steve would throw us all a frickin bone and start shipping faster G4+'s (or slow G5s), larger Hard Drives and more $#@#$^&*ing RAM in it's lower end machines.

But no. Oh well, no new Mac for me for another half a year at least :(
 
leukotriene said:
While Apple's monitors are great, and even larger monitors are even better, I wish Steve would throw us all a frickin bone and start shipping faster G4+'s (or slow G5s), larger Hard Drives and more $#@#$^&*ing RAM in it's lower end machines.

But no. Oh well, no new Mac for me for another half a year at least :(
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You aint gettin more ram in lower end machines when Apple has their heads shoved up so far that they're putting 512mb ram in top end machines as the default. Dual 2.5s with 512? Oh dear. That's an insult to those processors. Someone else should be marketing and using the G5s, not Apple.


(joking about that last bit :D)


(maybe)

edit: and single hard drives and optical drives. yeesh
 
Well NEC/Mitsubishi has had both 30" and 40" LCD's out on the market for a few years now under their Information Display section, they aren't as hi resolution as those of today but then again the Apple unit doesn't appear to have HDTV capabilities either. So yes there are others that have beat Apple to market with 30" (wide screen) by a good 2 years.
 
To be honest 30" is too big to use on a desk 90% of the time where you're just sitting there doing work or whatever. This also isn't exactly designed for TV or movies but should work fine in doing those. I'll be curious how quickly this will be adopted.
 
emorphien said:
To be honest 30" is too big to use on a desk 90% of the time where you're just sitting there doing work or whatever. This also isn't exactly designed for TV or movies but should work fine in doing those. I'll be curious how quickly this will be adopted.
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Not true , plenty of content creators and hell some of us here run dual 19 and dual 21 inch moniters , actually when the 23's came out folks said the same thing but hell they sold them without issue

what sucks is that the card is pci-x and you wont see one for an agp slot, so anyone with a g4 is outta luck

The nec/mitsu has a max res of 1280x720 , the apple is 2560x1600 the max resolution on most video cards is 2048x1536, hence the uber overpriced card
 
Oppy said:
what sucks is that the card is pci-x and you wont see one for an agp slot, so anyone with a g4 is outta luck
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No it is not, the card is AGP 8x.
 
Oppy said:
Not true , plenty of content creators and hell some of us here run dual 19 and dual 21 inch moniters , actually when the 23's came out folks said the same thing but hell they sold them without issue

what sucks is that the card is pci-x and you wont see one for an agp slot, so anyone with a g4 is outta luck

The nec/mitsu has a max res of 1280x720 , the apple is 2560x1600 the max resolution on most video cards is 2048x1536, hence the uber overpriced card
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Sure, content creators. However outside of certain areas, most people in the high end content creation area are still using CRTs. I also prefer having two displays angled together slightly. Better ergonomics IMO, which is why I have two 19" displays and prefer to keep it that way. One display does however make managing software easier, running software across 2 monitors can be a little funky at times.
 
I think the new displays look pretty damn nice, and i like the usb/firewire hubs... but I also think they missed the boat on a few things:

- no height adjustment
- no multiple computer inputs
- no TV/HD inputs
- no horizontal pivot
- no integrated power supply

don't you think for $3300 there should be some of these included?

.leo
 
I agree that some of those things could've been put in especially for the price, if NEC could do some of those a few years back why not Apple now.

Oppy, yes I know the NEC/Mitsu isn't as hi-res I stated that in my post but if you also notice that unit is quite a few years older than the Apple display, my point was that Apple kind of missed the boat on this one as they aren't first and missing quite a few features to make them best so it's just another display.
 
I was just pointing out the diffrences for anyone who didnt want to go look , thats all. now its time to figure out whos making that screen for apple
 
you can get the dell ultrasharp 2001fp now for 800 bucks, 20" with component video inputs, and s-video inputs, and Picture in picture.

im really surprised apple didnt include some of these optional inputs.

kudos to them on the new design tho, they look great.
 
ok...I was able to dig up a little more info on the connection and what exactly Dual Link DVI actually is...it turns out dual link uses all 24 pins of a DVI connection and will provide up to a resolution of 2048x1536 at 60 Hz where as regular DVI connections only use 12 of the 24 pins and has a max resolution of 1920x1080 at 60 Hz...it is amazing what you can find on Google :D now for you PC users...the 6800 ultra appears to support Dual Link DVI as it does have a max resolution listed at 2048x1536 so it is possible that all you need is the card and that is it!!
 
I really like the idea of the 30" monitor and when my money tree starts bearing fruit I will get one. My issue is, does anyone honestly think it takes a $600 video card to be able to do 2D desktop (which is just streaming bitmaps)? Seriously, what is the point of forcing people to buy a $600 3D gaming card gaming card for a Mac? Its not a 3D modeling card so that arguement cant be made and a 30" monitor would be very difficult to play a game on anyway unless you sat back away from it. Even if it takes a special DVI port it is rediculous to have to buy a high end 3D graphics card to get it. I think this is also another example of companies capitolizing on the ignorance of the consumer regarding video cards. Many people still think that they will get a better 2D image by buying an expensive card.
 
gigglebyte said:
ok...I was able to dig up a little more info on the connection and what exactly Dual Link DVI actually is...it turns out dual link uses all 24 pins of a DVI connection and will provide up to a resolution of 2048x1536 at 60 Hz where as regular DVI connections only use 12 of the 24 pins and has a max resolution of 1920x1080 at 60 Hz...it is amazing what you can find on Google :D now for you PC users...the 6800 ultra appears to support Dual Link DVI as it does have a max resolution listed at 2048x1536 so it is possible that all you need is the card and that is it!!
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Just what i said earlier.

And for the non adjustable stand, that is why it supports the VESA FDMI standard so you can mount it to anything you want to. Besides that thing would weigh 50 pounds if you had to add a counterweight for height adjustment.
 
Heck if you want height adjustments there are a few companies out there that make some really nice LCD arms.
 
As far as I know, any of the 6800 series does not support the 30" Cinema HD Display. A resolution of 2560 x 1600 is used for this display. The 6800 series only supports a resolution up to 2048 x 1536. No graphics cards made for the PC feature Dual-Link DVI as of yet. All the 6800s/X800s all come with Single-Link DVI ports. Do you guys understand know why the GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL is so long and has all the crap on the end? It's for the Dual-Link DVI.

So, at this moment, no PC users will be able to use the 30" Cinema HD Display, since it requires Dual-Link DVI which is currently available on ONE graphics card, which isonly available on a MAC. Blah!
 
Shorty said:
So, at this moment, no PC users will be able to use the 30" Cinema HD Display, since it requires Dual-Link DVI which is currently available on ONE graphics card, which isonly available on a MAC. Blah!
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If this is true and if nVidia isn't going to make this avaliable for PC cards, they're going to be missing out on a number of opportunities i suspect. but if nVidia doesn't do it, ATI probably will.
 
emorphien said:
If this is true and if nVidia isn't going to make this available for PC cards, they're going to be missing out on a number of opportunities I suspect. but if nVidia doesn't do it, ATI probably will.
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I remember when nVidia 'released' the GeForce 3 with Apple before they 'released' it to the rest of the world... I think both releases were a week or so apart... So I am thinking we will see Dual-Link on nVidia boards across the line pretty soon.
 
sorry Brett...brain fry there ;) and bad on me a second time for misreading the specs on the 30" display...and just think...I just went through them too and I just got the dual DVI mixed up with the 6800 spec :eek: oh well guess you could always do it at 1280x800 and things would still be clear....huge but clear :D
 
Wait...if you can only use these with a Mac, isn't that a horrible waste of R&D and other costs? I mean, Apple is like 5% marketshare, and let's say 10% of that can afford a 30" LCD, and like 20% of those will actually buy it. That's like eight people :p

Still looks cool though. Using two of them would be a pain in the neck though, literally. I think I'd mount them with one above the other vertically :D
 
something you need to realize though is most people won't even need a 30" display and will probably only be used by content creaters (graphic artists, page layout, movie editing) and even if they don't need the super duper gamer 3D card it WILL help displaying even in 2D
 
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