new coding/gaming build/first ever desktop ~$2000 budget

meyerkev

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So I was gonna get an M17x(2820QM, 6990m, 16 GB RAM, 120 GB SSD/750 GB HDD) for about $3200 for moving around campus, and between 3 homes for schoolwork and work. However, I've decided instead to make my C2D laptop last another year, and get an AMAZING desktop with some of the money instead (and spend the rest upgrading it to Ivy Bridge and 28nm GPU's).

This will be the first desktop anyone in my immediate family has bought since my father's P4 (which he still uses), and my first ever time assembling my own computer.

1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc
Coding for upper-level CS classes(which is surprisingly heavy on the computer)/work, plus some reasonably heavy gaming (Total War series/Battlefield 3 when it comes out). Also, storing my ever-expanding media library. (currently 3.5 TB)

2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?
Price of this computer, 3 monitors I can run in 3240x1920, and upgrading this computer to Ivy Bridge and 28nm GPU's at tax time should be less than $3500. So figure somewhere between $1800-$2000 for the box. If you have to go over that though for better warranty or build quality, do so.

3) Where do you live?
I'm in Seattle until August 1st, and then moving back to Michigan. Just for returning purposes, I'd prefer buying stuff online, and having it shipped home to MI. Also, no 10% sales tax if I buy online.

4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. The word "Everything" is not a valid answer. Please list out all the parts you'll need.
CPU, GPU(s), case with room for as many HDD's as possible, as many 2 TB HDD's as possible, PSU, RAM, Mobo, Bluray. 3 good 1080p monitors I can turn sideways, decent speakers, Anything else I'm NOT thinking of because I've never had a desktop before. Also, since the ethernet in the dorms is flaky (yay for old wiring), I need WIFI.

5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.
I bought a 120 GB Intel 510 SSD to put in my M17x (when I was gonna buy an M17x), that's waiting for me back in MI. Also, at some point, I'll move the 2 2 TB drives full of my media library into this case (so lots of HDD bays is good)

6) Will you be overclocking?
As far as I dare for a first-timer build (likely on stock voltage).

7) What size monitor do you have and/or plan to have?
3 24" 1080p or better monitors rotated 90 degrees for coding awesomeness.

8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC?
School starts day after Labor Day. It needs to be built, tested and working by then.

9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? USB 3.0? SATA 6Gb/s? etc.
USB 3.0. SATA 6Gb/s. SLI or Crossfire support depending on which one I go with. I'm leaning AMD just for Eyefinity. Ivy Bridge Compatibility. (As in, the company has stated for a fact that they will support Ivy Bridge on this mobo).

10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license? If so, what OS? Is it 32bit or 64bit?
I've got 10 copies of Win7 Professional (x86 and x64) left over from my MSFT internship. I'll also be dual-booting Linux (probably Ubuntu) for schoolwork purposes.



Just because the compile times were the one place where the 2600k blew away the 2500k, I'm going with a 2600k. ($315 on Newegg)
From another thread, this is the only mobo currently supporting Ivy Bridge: Asrock Z68 Professional $269.99

Other than that, I just don't know enough about desktop parts to know what I want for sure.

One last thing. If I can't at least double or preferably triple performance, I'll just get the M17x. I move around a lot and do most of my work down on campus, so I'd rather have the portability if that isn't the case.
 
I do not recommend that AsRock mobo at all since it only has a one year warranty as well as just being overpriced in general and being overkill for your needs. Even though AsRock is the only company so far to announce support for Ivy Bridge with one of their current motherboards, I do not think that AsRock mobo is worth paying for at all unless you're very desperate.

Now what's the likelihood of you being able to buy the parts before July 31st?
 
I do not recommend that AsRock mobo at all since it only has a one year warranty as well as just being overpriced in general and being overkill for your needs. Even though AsRock is the only company so far to announce support for Ivy Bridge with one of their current motherboards, I do not think that AsRock mobo is worth paying for at all unless you're very desperate.

Now what's the likelihood of you being able to buy the parts before July 31st?

High. But anything I buy from Fry's has to be able to fit into my carry-on luggage. So CPU's good, Cases bad, video cards meh. Also, WA has 10% sales tax, so it's often cheaper to buy online and ship to MI.

Why is that mobo overkill, and what mobo would you recommend instead?
 
Why is that mobo overkill, and what mobo would you recommend instead?

That motherboard is overkill because you have not stated any feature request that would justify the purchase. From what you've wrote, quite a few other and cheaper motherboards will meet your needs just fine.

Now assuming that you're planning on buying this month (before July 31st), I recommend this CPU + mobo combo:
$368 - Intel Core i5 2500K CPU + MSI P67A-GD65 Intel P67 ATX Motherboard Combo
 
That motherboard is overkill because you have not stated any feature request that would justify the purchase. From what you've wrote, quite a few other and cheaper motherboards will meet your needs just fine.

Now assuming that you're planning on buying this month (before July 31st), I recommend this CPU + mobo combo:
$368 - Intel Core i5 2500K CPU + MSI P67A-GD65 Intel P67 ATX Motherboard Combo

I don't suppose you have one of those with an i7-2600k?

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This is my job, my coursework, and given the amount of time I spend on those things, my life. It's the entire reason I'm buying this computer in the first place. Spending an extra $100 to save literally days of compile time each year is completely worthwhile.
 
Oops, I thought I posted the 2600K. My mistake. Here we go:
$463 - Intel Core i5 2600K CPU + MSI P67A-GD65 Intel P67 ATX Motherboard Combo
 
Oops, I thought I posted the 2600K. My mistake. Here we go:
$463 - Intel Core i5 2600K CPU + MSI P67A-GD65 Intel P67 ATX Motherboard Combo

Ok, so that CPU/mobo combo,
$155 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 RAM
$80 LG Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 10X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA Super Multi WH12LS30 LightScribe Support
Either:
$160: 2x 2TB Samsung Spinpoint F4
or
$300 2x 2TB Western Digital Caviar Black
My $250 SSD.
$300 - $375 1 of whatever the best 6950 2 GB or 6970 is.
~$3-500 good power supply, good case, cooling. I know nothing about this because I've bought laptops before. I don't even know if that's the right price,

At some point, I might put it into CFX, so the case and PSU need to reflect that.

If I decide to go z68, what's the best mobo for it?
Edit: This mobo is $150 ASUS P8Z68-V PRO. Any reason why it sucks?
 
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I would not go with that DDR3 1600 RAM set since DDR3 1600 RAM offers very little real world performance increase. Not worth the extra $45:
$110 - 2 x G.Skill Ripjaws F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL 2 x 4GB DDR3 1333 RAM

Sitck with the Samsung drives if the drives are purely for storage.

PSU wise, I recommend this PSU if you want a modular PSU:
$150 - Corsair 750HX 750W Modular PSU

Or if you don't need/want modular cables:
$135 - Corsair 850TX V2 850W PSU

Case wise, I recommend any of the following:
$90 - Cooler Master CM690 II Advance ATX Case
$90 - Lian Li Lancool PC-K7B ATX Case
$100 - Lian Li PC-7B Plus II ATX Case
$100 - Cooler Master HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP ATX Case
$110 - NZXT Whisper WHI - 001BK ATX Full Tower Case
$110 - Lian Li PC-60FN ATX Case
$100 - Lian Li PC-7FN ATX Case
$120 - Velocity Micro GX2-W Silver Classic Aluminum Case with Side Window
$127 - Fractal Design Define R3 Black ATX Case
$140 - NZXT Phantom PHAN-001WT White Full Tower ATX Case
$140 - NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Full Tower ATX Case
$140 - Lian Li PC-9F ATX Case
$143 - NZXT Phantom PHAN-002OR Black Finish w/Orange Trim Full Tower ATX Case
$150 - Corsair Graphite Series 600T ATX Case
$155 - Cooler Master HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP ATX Case
$160 - Silverstone RV02B-W ATX case
$178 - Silverstone RV02B-EW ATX case
$190 - Corsair Obsidian Series 650D ATX Case

Z68 mobo wise, I'd recommend this MSI Z68 mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130602

GPU wise, I'd recommend this:
$340 - XFX HD-697A-CNFC Radeon HD 6970 2GB PCI-E Video Card
 
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I would not go with that DDR3 1600 RAM set since DDR3 1600 RAM offers very little real world performance increase. Not worth the extra $45:
$110 - 2 x G.Skill Ripjaws F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL 2 x 4GB DDR3 1333 RAM

Sitck with the Samsung drives if the drives are purely for storage.

PSU wise, I recommend this PSU if you want a modular PSU:
$150 - Corsair 750HX 750W Modular PSU

Or if you don't need/want modular cables:
$135 - Corsair 850TX V2 850W PSU

Case wise, I recommend any of the following:
$90 - Cooler Master CM690 II Advance ATX Case
$90 - Lian Li Lancool PC-K7B ATX Case
$100 - Lian Li PC-7B Plus II ATX Case
$100 - Cooler Master HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP ATX Case
$110 - NZXT Whisper WHI - 001BK ATX Full Tower Case
$110 - Lian Li PC-60FN ATX Case
$100 - Lian Li PC-7FN ATX Case
$120 - Velocity Micro GX2-W Silver Classic Aluminum Case with Side Window
$127 - Fractal Design Define R3 Black ATX Case
$140 - NZXT Phantom PHAN-001WT White Full Tower ATX Case
$140 - NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Full Tower ATX Case
$140 - Lian Li PC-9F ATX Case
$143 - NZXT Phantom PHAN-002OR Black Finish w/Orange Trim Full Tower ATX Case
$150 - Corsair Graphite Series 600T ATX Case
$155 - Cooler Master HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP ATX Case
$160 - Silverstone RV02B-W ATX case
$178 - Silverstone RV02B-EW ATX case
$190 - Corsair Obsidian Series 650D ATX Case

Z68 mobo wise, I'd recommend this MSI Z68 mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130602

GPU wise, I'd recommend this:
$340 - XFX HD-697A-CNFC Radeon HD 6970 2GB PCI-E Video Card

What's the difference between the mobo I found, and the MSI one other than $20?

What's a Modular PSU, why do I care, and approximately how much Wattage would I need for CFX 6970's in this configuration?

I'll check out cases in the morning.
 
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What's the difference between the mobo I found, and the MSI one other than $20?
Well first of all, the mobo you linked is an open box model. As such, it's been previously opened and/or used. So it may be missing the SATA cables, SLI bridge, USB 3.0 bracket, and/or I/O panel. Not to mention that there's a chance that the previous user may have damaged the motherboard somehow.

Second, the main differences are:
- The Asus has an extra PCI-E x16 slot
- The Asus comes with a better NIC
- The Asus has two firewire ports

Due to first reason, I cannot recommend getting that open box model. Especially since there's a combo deal with that MSI Z68 mobo and 2600K that knocks off $30:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.674895

What's a Modular PSU, why do I care, and approximately how much Wattage would I need for CFX 6970's in this configuration?
This explains what a modular PSU is:
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Basically makes cable management easier and improves airflow a bit.

You should looking at 60A minimum on the +12V rail (typical of most good quality 750W PSUs) to around 70A on the +12V rail (typical of most good quality 850W PSUs).
 
$460 2600k + MSI mobo.
$86 2x Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
$80 LG Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 10X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA Super Multi WH12LS30 LightScribe Support
$160: 2x 2TB Samsung Spinpoint F4
$259 - Intel 510 SSD I already bought.
$340 - XFX HD-697A-CNFC Radeon HD 6970 2GB PCI-E Video Card
$150 - Corsair 750HX 750W Modular PSU. I'd feel a tad safer with a bigger PSU, but ok.
$190 - Corsair Obsidian Series 650D ATX Case
$1725 Total.

3 questions:
What about cooling?
Is the $43/8GB RAM a good deal or a ripoff?
/$190 Is this a good PSU if I decide to go a bit beefier than 750W (because Anand's CFX 6970 rig used 601W under load without any OC'ing)
 
Cooing wise, I recommend these:
$30 - Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 120mm HSF
$33 - Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus HSF for LGA 1366 and LGA 1156
$46 - Corsair A70 120mm HSF
$40 - Thermalright Cogage TRUE Spirit HSF + $9 - Thermalright LGA1155 Bolt-Thru-Kit
$70 - Corsair Hydro H60 Liquid Cooling System
$75 - Antec Kuhler H2O 620 Liquid Cooling System

Regarding the RAM, I don't factor in rebates till they're actually in my hands. With that said, at the normal $63 price, it's an ok deal.

The Corsair AX850 850W PSU is a good PSU. Do note that there is a combo deal with that Corsair 850W PSU and the Corsair case you chose that knocks off $35:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.677141
 
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