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1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming, Media, web
2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included? 2000 including tax, shipping
3) Where do you live? Michigan
4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. Please be very specific. I have a case, and Monitor. Need Everything Else
5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? keyboard, mouse maybe..
6) Will you be overclocking? Maybe
7) What size monitor do you have and/or plan to have? 22" Widescreen Samsung
8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC? within a 2 weeks
9) What features do you need in a motherboard? Possible SLi or Crossfire, Maybe Raid
10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license? Have Vista Ult 32bit. Might need to buy retail for 64bit or a OEM 64bit


So... Help me decide on what to build!
 
i7 920 CPU $280
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme or Prolimatech Megahalem $50
Gigabyte EX58-UD4P Mobo $240 AR
6GB 3X2GB 1600 RAM (any will do) $80 AR
GTX 260 or Radeon 4890 $170-$200
OCZ Vertex 120gb SSD for OS drive $350
1tb WD Caviar Black for storage $100
Corsair 850tx PSU $120

That system would be a fantastic value IMO and it would give your budget room for Crossfire or SLI, and addition drives for RAID. The 850w PSU would give you a nice cushion for overclocking. Good cost efficiency IMO.
 
I should add that for that 22inch monitor, SLI or Crossfire is wayy overkill. If I were you I would put the additional funds toward a good 24 inch monitor and save any extra for the next generation of video cards.
 
It would help us to know which specific case you were reusing. Regardless, here's a different approach:

$620 - Intel Core i7 920, Asus P6T Deluxe v2 & OCZ Gold 3x2GB DDR3 1600 combo deal (free shippping on all three)
$40 - Xigmatek Dark Knight S1283V CPU cooler
$200 - XFX HD4890
$75 - Western Digital WD6401AALS 640GB HDD (free shippping)
$25 - Samsung SH-S223F SATA DVD burner
$79 - Antec Earthwatts 650W PSU (free shippping)
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$1039 - Subtotal (not including shipping, taxes, or rebates)

You don't really need a multi-card SLI/CF setup nor do you need an 850W behemoth to power it all. The above build gives you everything that you may need, all while leaving you with plenty of cash left over.

While you could easily afford an SSD or two with your budget, I personally don't believe that they're worth their current prices. Another factor to consider with SSDs is the storage capacity. While you could put two, say, 30GB OCZ Vertex SSDs together into a RAID 0 configuration, depending on what you install along with the OS, that may or may not be enough space for you.

You need a 64-bit OS in order to fully utilize all of your RAM. But rather than buy a new 64-bit Vista license, either see if you can borrow a 64-bit OEM disc (your 32-bit license should be able to work) or download and use the 64-bit Windows 7 RC. With the pending release of Windows 7 (around October), it doesn't really make much sense to purchase a new OS license if you don't have to do so.
 
It's my personal opinion. I never said that they weren't insanely fast.
 
tiraides said:
It would help us to know which specific case you were reusing. Regardless, here's a different approach:

$620 - Intel Core i7 920, Asus P6T Deluxe v2 & OCZ Gold 3x2GB DDR3 1600 combo deal (free shippping on all three)
$40 - Xigmatek Dark Knight S1283V CPU cooler
$200 - XFX HD4890
$75 - Western Digital WD6401AALS 640GB HDD (free shippping)
$25 - Samsung SH-S223F SATA DVD burner
$79 - Antec Earthwatts 650W PSU (free shippping)
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$1039 - Subtotal (not including shipping, taxes, or rebates)

You don't really need a multi-card SLI/CF setup nor do you need an 850W behemoth to power it all. The above build gives you everything that you may need, all while leaving you with plenty of cash left over.

While you could easily afford an SSD or two with your budget, I personally don't believe that they're worth their current prices. Another factor to consider with SSDs is the storage capacity. While you could put two, say, 30GB OCZ Vertex SSDs together into a RAID 0 configuration, depending on what you install along with the OS, that may or may not be enough space for you.

You need a 64-bit OS in order to fully utilize all of your RAM. But rather than buy a new 64-bit Vista license, either see if you can borrow a 64-bit OEM disc (your 32-bit license should be able to work) or download and use the 64-bit Windows 7 RC. With the pending release of Windows 7 (around October), it doesn't really make much sense to purchase a new OS license if you don't have to do so.
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Case is in Sig,
Cooler Master Stacker 830 Evo. Case is HUGE
I was thinking of the same on the OS. I really did not want to buy 64bit vista just to turn around in 4 months and buy windows 7
I am going intel process or course, My Q6600 was a beast and i loved that chip. I am still up in the air on the video. To go with Ati or Nvidia...
 
liberalelephant said:
i7 920 CPU $280
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme or Prolimatech Megahalem $50
Gigabyte EX58-UD4P Mobo $240 AR
6GB 3X2GB 1600 RAM (any will do) $80 AR
GTX 260 or Radeon 4890 $170-$200
OCZ Vertex 120gb SSD for OS drive $350
1tb WD Caviar Black for storage $100
Corsair 850tx PSU $120

That system would be a fantastic value IMO and it would give your budget room for Crossfire or SLI, and addition drives for RAID. The 850w PSU would give you a nice cushion for overclocking. Good cost efficiency IMO.
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Will the 4890 play all the newer FPS's maxed on my 22" Display? I play, COD4, COD5, Crysis, Bioshock, Wanted: Weapons of Fate, Frontlines: Fuel of War, ect....
 
The HD4890 will have problems maxing out Crysis, but not everything else. Take a look at the benchmarks from AnandTech for a good comparison of the HD4890 along with the GTX 275.

Here is some more information on SSDs:

enginurd said:
Intel SSDs are the best, but at a steep price. They're also optimized for desktop usage, so they have lower sequential write speeds as opposed to the Vertex drives. The new Samsungs are good, too, but hard to find and expensive (newly released). The OCZ Vertex, G.Skill Falcon, Patriot TorqX, and Super Talent UltraDrive ME all use the Indilinx controller, and give you the best bang for buck as far as SSDs go. The 120GB+ models are typically faster than their smaller brethren. Here's some benchmarks on my Vertex drives... there's also links at the top of the page to check out...
http://alphaq.org/enginurd/hdd/ocz_vertex.html
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tiraides said:
The HD4890 will have problems maxing out Crysis, but not everything else. Take a look at the benchmarks from AnandTech for a good comparison of the HD4890 along with the GTX 275.

Here is some more information on SSDs:
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Thanks for the link, what do you recommend for a single card solution on a 22" LCD to play anything i throw at it
 
What do guys think is a better choice between the
Gigabyte EX58-UD4
And
Asus P6T Deluxe v2
 
You wouldn't go wrong with either board. You may want to check the Intel Motherboards forum here for better personal opinions about each board.
 
I am going with the corei7 combo deal, what about a good PSU
It has to be modular.....
Will 650 be enough to power the system?
 
A 600 watt modular PSU with at least 40A combined on its 12V rails would be enough for the above setup.

The Corsair HX620 is a good choice, as well as the Silverstone Strider series (ST60F or ST70F) and the Seasonic M12-II modular series, to name a few.
 
tiraides said:
A 600 watt modular PSU with at least 40A combined on its 12V rails would be enough for the above setup.

The Corsair HX620 is a good choice, as well as the Silverstone Strider series (ST60F or ST70F) and the Seasonic M12-II modular series, to name a few.
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I already have a HX620 why i was asking
 
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SAPPHIRE Toxic 100269TXSR Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

SAPPHIRE Toxic 100269TXSR Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
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XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail

XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail
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Nippon Labs 6 ft. USB2.0 A TO B CABLE Model USB-6-AB-BK - Retail

Nippon Labs 6 ft. USB2.0 A TO B CABLE Model USB-6-AB-BK - Retail
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ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retail

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ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131365
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy

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Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115202
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy

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OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820227365
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy

-$49.00 Instant
-$50.00 Combo
-$12.99 Saving
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate20-227-365


$718.97
$606.98

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OCZ Diesel 4GB Single Channel Flash Drive (USB2.0 Portable) Model OCZUSBDSL4G - Retail

OCZ Diesel 4GB Single Channel Flash Drive (USB2.0 Portable) Model OCZUSBDSL4G - Retail
Item #: N82E16820227331
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy




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Well update on everything, Adjuster will be out tomorrow to take pictures, then Monday i should have a check in the mail :D
 
Get the V8. The V10 is too bulky and doesn't cool that much better.

However, the Xigmatek S1283V performs about as well as the V8, yet it's often found for a bit less.

Other than double-checking everything to ensure that the combo deal and/or other specials are still valid, I don't see anything that you have to change.
 
tiraides said:
Get the V8. The V10 is too bulky and doesn't cool that much better.

However, the Xigmatek S1283V performs about as well as the V8, yet it's often found for a bit less.

Other than double-checking everything to ensure that the combo deal and/or other specials are still valid, I don't see anything that you have to change.
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Yeah they combo prices have already changed :( But its not a huge deal. I am going to re add everything to the cart to see the prices once i get the check from insurance
 
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ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard

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Anyone have any ideas or changes i should Make? Thinking of maybe a 1k PSU for future proof. Any thoughts on any other changes
 
-(Xyphox)- said:
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$289.99 - ASUS P6T Deluxe V2
$369.99 - XFX HD-487A-CDF9 Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB
$194.99 - CORSAIR CMPSU-850HX 850W
$279.99 - Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz
$99.99 - OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) OCZ3G1600LV6GK
$199.98 - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB x2
$99.99 - Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Upgrade
$62.61 - COOLER MASTER V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler
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Subtotal: $1,597.53

Anyone have any ideas or changes i should Make? Thinking of maybe a 1k PSU for future proof. Any thoughts on any other changes
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Ahh... much easier to read...

You don't need a 1kW PSU, so don't bother; heck, you don't even need an 850W!! You don't really need an HD4870X2 for a 22" monitor... do you plan on upgrading that monitor, or just want to play Crysis all day long? :p Any particular reason you chose the deluxe over the vanilla P6T?
 
enginurd said:
Ahh... much easier to read...

You don't need a 1kW PSU, so don't bother; heck, you don't even need an 850W!! You don't really need an HD4870X2 for a 22" monitor... do you plan on upgrading that monitor, or just want to play Crysis all day long? :p Any particular reason you chose the deluxe over the vanilla P6T?
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I will be upgrading my monitor in the near future. I am looking at a 30" I was thinking 1k for future proof. I dont want to upgrade much over the next few years. And the mobo, was just one that someone recommend to me
 
Do you plan on going dual vidcard Crossfire?

Here's some power consumption numbers for you:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3517&p=13
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3520&p=11

As you can see, even with quad crossfire, the 850W is still fine, and just overkill for any 2-way SLI/CF config. However, that doesn't account for an OC'd CPU. How far do you plan on OC'ing?

If you want to save a few bucks, you can drop down to the Asus P6T instead of the Deluxe version, since it sounds like you don't need little extra features in the deluxe.

The HD4870X2 is a bit old, so I'd wait for the HD4890X2 or the new GPU refresh. Though, you could always sell the HD4870X2 to help offse the cost of a GPU upgrade. ;)
 
enginurd said:
Do you plan on going dual vidcard Crossfire?

Here's some power consumption numbers for you:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3517&p=13
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3520&p=11

As you can see, even with quad crossfire, the 850W is still fine, and just overkill for any 2-way SLI/CF config. However, that doesn't account for an OC'd CPU. How far do you plan on OC'ing?

If you want to save a few bucks, you can drop down to the Asus P6T instead of the Deluxe version, since it sounds like you don't need little extra features in the deluxe.

The HD4870X2 is a bit old, so I'd wait for the HD4890X2 or the new GPU refresh. Though, you could always sell the HD4870X2 to help offse the cost of a GPU upgrade. ;)
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I dont plan on going dual gpu. I was thinking one high end card that can handle 22", 24" or maybe even 30". I never really looked at the difference between the two. What are the big difference them
 
A single card won't need a 1kW PSU anytime soon. ;)

Here's a comparison page for some mobos:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...1315,1314&PropertyCodeValue=717:45358&bop=And

The main differences between the Deluxe and vanilla are that the Deluxe has 2 SAS ports replacing 2 SATA ports (6 SATA + 2 SAS instead of 8 SATA), a 2nd GbLAN, a better Audio chipset, but lacks Tri-SLI (2nd and 3rd PCI-E16x slots are next to each other) and LGA775 HSF mounting holes (so you can use your old HSFs). Also, it has much better cooling for the SB and all MOSFETs (for better OC'ing). Is all that worth the extra $40? its up to you.
 
enginurd said:
A single card won't need a 1kW PSU anytime soon. ;)

Here's a comparison page for some mobos:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...1315,1314&PropertyCodeValue=717:45358&bop=And

The main differences between the Deluxe and vanilla are that the Deluxe has 2 SAS ports replacing 2 SATA ports (6 SATA + 2 SAS instead of 8 SATA), a 2nd GbLAN, a better Audio chipset, but lacks Tri-SLI (2nd and 3rd PCI-E16x slots are next to each other) and LGA775 HSF mounting holes (so you can use your old HSFs). Also, it has much better cooling for the SB and all MOSFETs (for better OC'ing). Is all that worth the extra $40? its up to you.
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Well as i stated my insurance is paying me for this, so 40 bucks is not a huge deal...
 
Well, personally, I find the SAS ports useless, as well as the 2nd GbLAN, so its up to you.

//edit: what I posted earlier was irrelevant since you can use SATA drives on SAS ports with a breakout cable -- hadn't had my coffee yet. :p
 
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well i swapped out motherboards, thinking of getting a decent sound card for my speaker setup
 
Will you be editing any sound tracks or anything like that, or do you need special features in the sound card? If not, just use optical out straight to the Z-5500's... no need for a soundcard, IMO.
 
enginurd said:
Will you be editing any sound tracks or anything like that, or do you need special features in the sound card? If not, just use optical out straight to the Z-5500's... no need for a soundcard, IMO.
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Only reason why i wanted it was the front panel, my adjustment on my speaker set is broke so i cant adjust the volume. I was thinking of that card for the fact of the controller for the front
 
oic. logitech won't repair/replace it? i wonder how much a replacement control panel is... might be cheaper than a $200 soundcard?
 
enginurd said:
oic. logitech won't repair/replace it? i wonder how much a replacement control panel is... might be cheaper than a $200 soundcard?
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they are out of warrenty, cheapest i've found is like 75 bucks. Figure be nice having a nice sound card would be better then the onboard audio.
 
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