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New build

Shadout

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I want to build a new PC within a month likely, just waiting for Nvidia and AMD to throw out some new cards to pick from.

Budget is around $1500-2000 (although its not that easy converting prices over here to $, difference varies a lot between components).
Budget isnt that strict, I'm willing to pay a bit more for quality, but of course I dont like to waste money either :)

The goal is to have a top end gaming pc, which is reasonable quiet (important factor, although quieting down a high end pc obviously got its limits), and able to perform good for at least 2 years before upgrading (likely when Intel release the 32nm shrink of Nehalem (2010), which would mean new MB, CPU and RAM upgrade of course, and maybe a GPU same year, e.g. mostly a new pc, hopefully re-using the other parts if something revolutionary haven't happened in those areas...).

I wont overclock heavily, but I'll surely try a decent overclock of the CPU, to gain whatever it can offer without compromising on noise.


The components and a few comments (so you got something to base your criticism on ^^)

CASE:
- Antec P182 - $130 - Good case for a 'quiet' pc

MOTHERBOARD:
- GIGABYTE GA-EX38-DS5 - ~$200 (can't find it at newegg) - Not totally sure about this one. Might look at P45 boards too. Seems like a good board however, just a bit expensive. Difference between DS4 and DS5 as I can see it is slightly better northbridge heatsink, but I dont know if its worth the small price difference.
Having quite some issues figuring out what the best board is for a reasonable price.
Feature wise I'm mostly concerned about good quality, and some of the 'standard' high end stuff like eSata/firewire. Earlier PC's Ive build, Ive often regretted buying a cheap MB, only to end up missing some features later.

CPU:
- Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 2.66GHz - $339 - Yet another difficult choice due to the price. While games might run better with 2 cores, I'd like a processor which still runs great even with plenty of other software running at the same time too.
Could save quite a lot by going E8400, Q6600 or Q9300, but haven't been able to convince myself if I should pick one of the cheaper ones so far.

RAM:
- Mushkin 'Redline' DDR2 PC2-1000 4GB CL5 Kit HP2 - $100
or
- OCZ 'Platinum' DDR2-1000 4GB CL5 - $95
Listing both because I'll just pick the one they have where Ill buy most of the other componensts (less complicated if as much as possible is bought same place), and they both seem to good quality and same price.
I realize 1000 Mhz isnt needed, but prices on 800 and 1000Mhz seems to be the same (here at least), so why not?

HD:
- Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200RPM SATA - $100 - Seems to be a great quiet drive, not much to say about it.

SOUND CARD: Two choices:
- Asus Xonar DX - $80 - Best thing about it: Its not Creative :) Slightly concerned about compatability with games, but at the same time Creatives combatability in Vista isnt exactly great either.
- Creative X-FI XtremeGamer - $70 - Hardware EAX and all the driver issues which follows.
I'm biased toward the Asus, but its not an easy choice given the driver problems both cards have.

DVD:
- Samsung S203 (B or N depending on availability) - $27 - Nothing to say, people seem to like it.

CASE FANs:
- 3x Scythe Slipstream 120mm 1200RPM - 4x $9 - Should be very quiet. Attaching Zalman FanMate2's to turn speed a bit down. One will be placed as rear exhaust, one at the bottom near PSU, and uhm, last one might be used either as extra front intake otherwise just as backup.
- Scythe Kama Bay - $20 - Front intake fan in the 5.25" bays.

CPU HEATSINK:
- ThermalRight Ultra-120 Extreme - $60 - Still seems to be a good choice. Although the newer heatsink design with heatpipes at the contact surface, as in OCZ Vendetta 2 and others seem interesting too.

CPU FAN:
- Scythe S-FLEX 120mm - $20 (- Or just yet another Scythe Slipstream) - The reason I'm considering S-flex instead of the cheaper Slipstreams would be 1) some people argue it performs better under air pressure (e.g. placed on a heatsink) than the Slipstreams, and 2) its rated for much longer runtime than the slipstreams (a CPU fan dying sucks a bit more than a case fan dying)

PSU:
- Corsair 620w 620HX - $165 - Standard choice everywhere it seems :) Quality, reliable and quiet.

OS:
- Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit OEM - $99.99 - For 4GB RAM and DX10. I'll dualboot WinXp for the stuff Vista still sucks at, if needed (and if I can cheat my old OEM XP to accept a new PC, has worked before).



Undecided:
- GPU - Most likely either Nvidias 260 / 280 or AMDs 4870 - I dont plan on going SLI (obviously not with the choice of motherboard), CrossFire might be a possible if the choice ends up being 4870, but so far I dont plan it (current monitor is 1680x1050 btw).
- GPU cooler if any is released which fit. If not it will be added later.
 
The components and a few comments (so you got something to base your criticism on ^^)

* MOTHERBOARD: GIGABYTE GA-EX38-DS5
If you aren't going to CrossFire, then a P35 board would work also, and be less expensive. This is probably where you can save the most money.

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Originally Posted by Danny Bui

Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L Intel P35 Motherboard - $90
MSI P35 Neo2-FR Intel P35 Motherboard - $110
DFI BloodIron P35-T2RL Intel P35 Motherboard - $110
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R Intel P35 Motherboard - $120
DFI LanParty DK P35-T2RS Intel P35 Motherboard - $130
Asus P5K-E Intel P35 Motherobard - $140
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3P Intel P35 Motherboard - $148
Asus P5K-E/WiFi-AP Intel P35 Motherboard - $150
Abit IP35 Pro Intel P35 Motherboard - $170
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS4 Intel P35 Motherboard - $170

Just to help you out: If you don't need RAID, more than 4 SATA ports and only need semi-decent overclocking, check out the DS3L. If you need 5 SATA ports, 2 eSATA ports, slightly better overclocking, and a second PCI-E x16 port, then get the Neo2-Fr. If you want heavy overclocking options and six SATA ports, check out the Blood Iron. If you like the BloodIron but want significantly better overclock stability and options, go for the LanParty. If you want 8 SATA ports, RAID, legacy ports and high overclocks and optional eSATA, than the DS3R is a good choice. If you want the DS3R but need Firewire and a second PCI-E x16 port, then go for the DS3P. If you like the DS3P but need 3 PCI slots instead of the DS3P's 2 PCI slots and like having non-optional eSATA, go for the Asus P5K-E. If you like the P5K-E but need wifi, then go for the P5K-E/Wifi-AP. If you want something that can overclock pretty damn high along with RAID, eSATA ports and firewire connections, than the IP35 Pro. If you like the DS3P but want better cooling for overclocking, then go for the DS4. Do note that the Asus website can be slow sometimes.
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* CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 2.66GHz
If you can get this overclocked up to at least 3.2GHz, then it'll run games just as well as the dual-cores, and will run better in multi-tasking.

* RAM:
This G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) - $85 is good memory, less expensive than what you listed, and at 1000MHz will let you overclock past 3.2GHz.

* SOUND CARD: Two choices:
On-board sound is pretty good these days. You might want to skip a sound card until you listen to the on-board sound.

* CASE FANs:
These Yate Loon D12SL-12 fans are highly recommend, and less expensive.

* CPU HEATSINK: ThermalRight Ultra-120 Extreme.
This Xigmatek HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle HSF - $37 & Xigmatek ACK-I7751 Rentention Bracket - 7$ is less expensive, and cools just as well as the ThermalRight Ultra-120 Extreme. Here's a review at FrostyTech.

Everything else looks good to me.
 
Many times, prices at newegg are not the same everywhere else, despite currency conversion. So, if you tell us where you are, and there's an online store you usually buy from, we can look at prices there if the site is in english. If not, post prices with the things you want in whatever currency you'll be paying with.
 
Thanks for the responses

@ AndonSage:
G.Skill isnt sold anywhere around here it seems, and the postage would remove any price difference.
Same is true for the Yate Loons (and most other fans actually, maybe its just so cold here, no one cares about cooling :confused:, the scythe ones are pretty hard to find too, but its possible at least).

Xigmatek HDT-S1283 is very interesting (I believe its pretty much same design as the OCZ Vendtta 2 I mentioned), it wont be the price which will make the difference here though. I want the best of the available coolers, rather than saving $10. Which cooler is the best then, is what I'm not sure about :)

@ Danny Bui & enginurd: From Denmark. Exchange rate is around 5 kr for 1 dollar (but as you can see below, price differences goes anywhere between 5-8x due to taxes and/or the usual rip-off of Europeans :D
Not sure how much it will help to list prices in my currency, I don't know any shops in english you can search at.
There is however this shop which exists both in Denmark and in UK: http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/k.aspx, I guess you can expect some consistence between their UK and danish prices.

Anyway here is some appr. prices for each component (and some of the alternatives) if its useful:
Antec P182 - 920 kr
GIGABYTE GA-EX38-DS5 - 1500 kr
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS4 - 1050 kr
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 - 2200
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 - 1300 kr
Mushkin 'Redline' DDR2 PC2-1000 4GB CL5 Kit HP2 - 680 kr
OCZ 'Platinum' DDR2-1000 4GB CL5 - 700 kr
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200RPM SATA - 620 kr
Asus Xonar DX - 600 kr
Creative X-FI XtremeGamer - 500 kr
Samsung S203 (B or N depending on availability) - 300 kr
3x Scythe Slipstream 120mm 1200RPM - 3x 70 kr
Scythe Kama Bay - 150 kr
Scythe S-FLEX 120mm - 110 kr
ThermalRight Ultra-120 Extreme - 380 kr
OCZ Vendetta 2 - 350 kr
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 - 280 kr
Corsair 620w 620HX - 840 kr
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit OEM - 700 kr
 
Been looking a bit more on PSU's.

A concern of mine has for a while been that the 620HX might get too loud under heavy load, due to its 120mm fan.

So today I looked at this:
Zalman ZM850-HP
Ill never use its insanely high watt limit of course, but it should have good cooling and a silent 140mm fan (review)

Any opinions or inputs about this?

The price is 1150 kr / $180, more than the Corsair for sure, but not a whole lot.
 
Dude, don't worry about the 620HX's noise levels. It's one of the quietest PSUs out there.
 
:)
You are likely right, still the thing is, 620HX insanely quiet under normal load, not necessarily under heavy load.
Check the numbers at http://www.silentpcreview.com/article834-page5.html
Around 400W the fan spins up in their test. Reaching 400W isnt easy, and thats why Ive sticked to 620HX so far (was pretty much first component I decided on for the build), but still slightly concerned about it. A system with a radeon 4870 wont get near 400W, but a GTX280 might be able to.

I'm probably just nitpicking, but if I wasnt, i wouldnt exactly post a build on the forum in the first place :p
 
I doubt you'll reach 400W continuous, but its up to you. If you don't mind the extra cost, then by all means, go for it.

The Vendetta 2 is [the same as] the Xigmatek.
 
OCZ sells the Xigmatek models (HDT-983 and HDT-1283) under their name as Vendetta 1 and 2. Here is an e-mail:

How are you!! This is Eddy Yu from XIGMATEK Company

About HDT-S983, for Xigmatek design, but OCZ is main sale

We can’t sale this model,

Thank you very much.

it's the same exact product with a different name printed on top of it.
 
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