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nitrobass24

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I am thinking about building a new system for my encoding and main Desktop.
I am thinking but not sure that an i7 build would be best for this....I dunno?
Or maybe a quad 1207 board with 4 quad cores?
It would need to be quiet, this is in my bedroom.

1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc
HD Video Encoding

2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?
1500 Total

3) Where do you live?
Texas

4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. Please be very specific.
Case, PSU, CPU, RAM
5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.
Raid Array: Adaptec 31205 2x300gb vraptors R0, 2xWD5400AAKS R0
Video Card: 8800GS
Sound Card: Sound Blaster PCIe x1

6) Will you be overclocking?
maybe

7) What size monitor do you have and/or plan to have?
3x 20in widescreens

8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC?
Immediately

9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? etc.
MustHaves: 3+ pcie x16 slots ,1+ PCI
Nice tos: FireWire, RAID, eSata

10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license?
Yes Vista x64
 
For HD encoding, I highly doubt that a Core i7 will be faster than your current two quad-core CPU setup and extremely large amount of RAM.

So wait, is this new system gonna replace the workstation you have now?
 
Yea see I can't upgrade to harpertown cpus.
I can't oc cause its a dell board. And the 53xx are expensive.
This box is in my bedroom and loud.

I need more pci express slots my x8 and my 16 are used by graphics and my raid card.
Plus my ram is overkill for a ramdisk its too small for my needs and too much for standard use.
I just got it because I got a really good deal.
8 gb would be plenty
 
IF you guys really think I should keep my current rig tell me.

I just thought an i7 might be faster.
 
nitrobass24 said:
IF you guys really think I should keep my current rig tell me.

I just thought an i7 might be faster.
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Keep your current rig. :)

A Core i7 would probably be faster core for core, clock for clock. However you do have 8 cores based on Core 2 Duos on hand which should make your current setup faster than a Core i7 setup when doing encoding.

I recommend just waiting until the server editions of the Core i7 CPUs are released late this month if you really want an upgrade. Even then, it probably still wouldn't be worth the cash IMO.
 
Sold my rig so now its either 4x opteron build or i7
 
enginurd said:
12GB? thats it?!? :p such a downgrade! :eek:
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Yea i know WTF. :p

Really though it will be ok, because my 22gb was honestly a waste because I have moved all my VM's onto my WHS.

Plus the FB-Dimms have some serious latency issues so it wasnt great for a highspeed RAMDisk.

Im thinking 12gb will be more than plenty until 4gb DDR3 dimms come around.

Also im wanting a quieter system, my workstation ran so damn hot, and the fans just blared all the time.


I know cases are really personal, people are picky. But I haven bought a nice case in like 6 years.

Does anyone have some suggestions for a full tower, that is quiet. I would like to keep the case under $200

Also Danny suggested the Corsair 750, i see corsairs recommended on here a lot. Is there a reason for that? I typically buy PCP&C PSU's.
Pretty much i would like to hear some other opinions.

Also how well does the 920 OC on air?


Thanks guys
 
That mobo supports a maximum of 12GB of RAM. A different one is needed if you want more than 12GB. One of these mobos should be fine.

Corsair is good. They make solid PSUs. PCP&C went bad since they were bought out by OCZ, at least that is the popular sentiment.

The 920 OCs relatively well on air. You could get a XIGAMTEK heatsink if you are being frugal, or a TRUE / V8 if not (all of them have similar performance).
 
Hmm I wonder why that board only supports 12gb?
Wonder if a bios update would make it support 24?

Well I guess ill go with a corsair
 
According to the Asus website, the P6T supports 24GB. Where are you guys reading 12GB max? :confused:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=2731&l1=3&l2=179&l3=815&l4=0
Memory

6 x DIMM, Max. 24 GB, DDR3 2000(O.C.)*/1866(O.C.)*/1800(O.C.)*/1600(O.C.)/1333/1066 Memory
Triple channel memory architecture
Supports Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (XMP)
*Hyper DIMM support is subject to the physical characteristics of individual CPUs.
*Refer to www.asus.com or this user manual for the Memory QVL(Qualified Vendors Lidts).
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PC P&C is still good, AFAIK, despite being bought out. The 750 QUAD red model is typically found for $100 at amazon, with an additional MIR. Both are made by Seasonic, IIRC. Corsairs are often recommended because they're quiet, very efficient, and nicely priced for good quality units (typically OEM'd by Seasonic, with a CWT model here and there).

Nice cases? The lower end models, IMO, are the Cooler Masters... RC-690, Cosmos, HAF, Stacker, etc. The more luxurious are Lian-Li (PC and V series') and Silverstone (Temjin series).

The Antec P182 is probably the most quiet, but at $150, its a bit overpriced, IMO. If you can find a newer P180 for around $100, that would be a good choice, too; The P180 series was typically found for $80AR ($50AR for the lucky ones) in the past, but they've discontinued the P180 and P180B, leaving only the typically higher priced P182. The Antec 900 is popular, but I don't like it.
 
nitrobass24 said:
Hmm I wonder why that board only supports 12gb?
Wonder if a bios update would make it support 24?
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It probably only supports 12GB to cut costs. I don't think that a BIOS upgrade would increase RAM support to 24GB for two reasons:
  1. The maximum RAM is a hardware limitation, not software
  2. Doesn't make sense for ASUS to do so, ie. Asus sells multiple mobos and higher end mobos support more ram
Note: I may be wrong on #1, but I don't think so.

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enginurd said:
According to the Asus website, the P6T supports 24GB. Where are you guys reading 12GB max? :confused:
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On the Newegg specifications page, I'm going to email them.
 
Master Bob said:
... [*]The maximum RAM is a hardware limitation, not software. ...
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Indeed, there is a hardware limitation due to the MCH. However, the MCH is no longer located within the chipset/motherboard -- its now integrated into the CPU. Therefore, the max RAM should be specified by the CPU. Therefore, I technically provided the wrong link earlier. Here's the right one:

http://ark.intel.com/cpu.aspx?groupId=37147

Master Bob said:
...EDIT:
On the Newegg specifications page, I'm going to email them.
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Heh... that should teach you not to trust those pages. :p I stopped a long time ago. Thankfully, they provide a manufacturer link to the left. ;)
 
The O.C. just means it is supported through overclocking. I don't really understand it, I just know that the Memory controller is on the Core i7.
 
nitrobass24 said:
On newegg it says its supported with OC in parentheses. What does that mean? not that i really trust there specs anymore.
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Overclocking pretty much. All it's saying that the mobo will support those speeds only if you overclock the RAM/CPU. Not really a worry since you'll be buying DDR3 1600 RAM from the get-go.

As for which G.Skill sets to buy, the set you chose is pretty decent. Just keep those suckers at 1.6V and you should be good.
 
Ok well heres the final list(I think)

Asus P6T6 WS
Intel i7 920
OCZ Gold DDR3 1600(I am thinking these over the gskills because I can get a better price. So unless there is something that makes the gskills better or OCZ suck that I need know. Tell me)
Corsair 750TX
Antec P182
CPU HSF????I have no idea on this. I want to OC so I want the best.
 
Get the G.Skills, as they run at a lower voltage than the OCZ Gold... and a lower voltage gives you more headroom when overclocking.

The CPU coolers you should be looking at are the Cooler Master V8, the Noctua NH-U12P SE1366, the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme RT 1366, and the Xigmatek HDT-S1283V Dark Night.
 
Well heres the Final List

Antec P182
Dell 1000w PSU
GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD5
Intel i7 920
Noctua Cooler
12gb Gskill DDR3 1600
2x OCZ Vertex 30gb Raid0 - OS
2x WD3000BLFS Raid0 - Video Workspace
2x WD6400AAKS Raid0 - Storage/Data
2x 9800gx2 - No SLI - Folding
9800GT - Monitors

What do ya think?
 
  1. Who's the manufacturer of that Dell 1000W PSU?
  2. What's the total amperage on the +12V rail of that Dell 1000W PSU?
  3. What's the number underneath the U and reversed R logo of that Dell 1000W PSU?
  4. Why RAID0 for your Storage/Data?
  5. All of the data in the Storage/Data drives are being copied to your server as well right?
 
1) Newton Power
2) 5x 12v rails with 18a each
3)E173738
4) Because I do ripping, muxing, reading from this array simultaneously and I need the speed. Plus everything on this array usually does not stay more than a week. And I have the hard copy disc still. And its backedup nightly to my WHS. Ill take on a little more risk for more speed.
5)Yes

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The reason i plan to use this is because I have it laying around doing nothing, and I cant justify spending money on something that I already have, even if its not the ultimate solution.
 
2a. Does the Dell PSU list the total amount of watts used by the (combined) 12V rails? If so, what?
 
tiraides said:
2a. Does the Dell PSU list the total amount of watts used by the (combined) 12V rails? If so, what?
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Yes it does:
http://www.stuartconnections.com/ebay/Power/PowerSupplies/XPS_1K_700_710_PM480/DSC08505w.jpg

950W on the +12V or 79A on the +12V rail. It's made by Newton Power but I can't find anything on the web that tells us whether they can make decent PSUs, whether or not that 1000W PSU is a decent PSU, if they use another OEM to make their PSUs, etc. Too many unknowns for me to consider using the PSU.

But assuming that the PSU is of decent quality, it should be enough power for your planned setup. Only problem is that we don't know whether or not that's a decent quality PSU.
 
Well thats the same conclusion I came to.

Im gonna try it, and if it works awesome, if not ill grab a corsair 1000hx.
 
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