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Need help getting head back in game after deployment

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Ok guys, I'm not exactly a newbie, but I've been deployed to Afghanistan for a year now and I'm getting ready to come home. I had an old system that was decent in it's heyday, but is naturally worthless at the moment.

So - I need to build a monster. I was looking to spend about 5k on the parts (I have a decent hookup on displays, thinking of going dual 30" apple cinemas). Overclocking and watercooling isnt a necessity at this point, but I want to be ready for it. Trouble is, for the first time in my life, I find myself having more money than knowledge, haha.

From the basic research I've done on this ridiculously slow sat internet we have at my firebase, it's looking like my best bet is going to be quad core intel stuff and 680i chipset for mobo. Also am naturally going to need quad SLI to make it work with dual 30" monitors. Maybe that's impossible? This is where I need input. I've got a whole passel of drives that I stuck in Icy Dock enclosures here for pr0n storage, over a terabyte there, and I can pull those for bulk storage, so definitely just looking at dual 150gb Raptors in a striped array.

So basically, if you guys wouldn't mind, hypothetically spend my money and tell me what to buy, haha. I should be home by the end of June, so I figure I can just order a bunch of parts and have them shipped home. Or, if not that, some pointers and directions to head in would be great.

My biggest questions are - Is dual 30" displays possible with quad SLI? Which case would give me the easiest setup for watercooling in the future (I had been looking at the Lian Li PC-V2000 or whatever, with the upside down Mobo and PSU at the bottom, looked perfect. Thanks ahead of time for the help, normally I'd just buckle down and bring myself up to speed, but when you're looking down the barrel of 5 minute load times (per page), it just isn't that practical.

Corporal Jones
Embedded Trainer
7th SFG
 
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112062

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817189015

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131074

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115011

memory : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145039

Video (2 of these) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130079

sound card : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102191

cpu cooler. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185038

hdd: 2 of these, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136034

all comes out to 3333 with shipping

not sure if you want vista

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116140 383 w/shipping



total w/vista 3717
 
Hey man just wanted to say thanks.

Also, Quad Sli was the nvidia 7950 gtx...thats old technology now that has limited driver support. Regular sli with the new 8800 GTX will easily own quad sli.
 
While you may have the urge (and the cash) to go with the quad-core, the performance just isn't there right now. Most things are even multithreaded to run on dual cores, so quad is just overkill. An E6600 or 6700 is going to be just as fast for anything you'll do, and that's $500-600 saved that you can spend on gigantic display goodness.

If you're not looking to overclocking from the outset, spending $175/gig of RAM is also just a waste.
$60/gig OCZ Plat will be just fine if you're not trying to overlock to the limit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227139

For the sound card linked, unless you want/need an external breakout box, stick with the Fata1ty version instead of the Elite.

The general consensus, at least here on [H] in Disk Storage Systems, is that stripping is not advantageous for gaming, and that you shouldn't do it unless you have a reason to, like video editing or something that has been shown to benefit.

If you're really dead-set on dual 30" cinemas and a top of the line system, you're going to have to up your budget. They're $1.8K a piece, which only leaves $1400 for the rest of your system.
 
hey guys, thanks a million, especially to forreh, you saved me a ton of leg work which on this damn internet, means a lot of time.

two questions - i might not be OC'ing right off the bat, but i will certainly be doing it sooner rather than later. i had been looking at an evga motherboard and it was talking about needing ddr2 1200? does that even exist? or am i missing something huge here. also heard stuff about having 4 sticks of ram being a hindrance with dual channel. i was really looking to go the full 4gb here (supreme commander has been making my dick move on my laptop since i got the demo from one of my soldiers here, i want to see what it can do on a real system..)

also, vertigo, i see your point on the quad core thing - however, i do a lot of multitasking (my poor laptop has been begging for mercy since day one, and it's a very nice sager), and i have heard that there are going to be several multi threaded games coming down the pipe very soon, stalker and chrysalis i think are names ive heard tossed around in that. understood a grand is a lot of money to spend on a proc, but in your honest opinion, do you think it's likely that in the next 6 months or a year to be looking at stuff on a regular basis that uses at least 2 of the cores? everything i read on the newegg page was nothing but gushing about that QX6700.

one other thing - since it definitely seems worth it to go with the 8800GTX's, i did a little reading on SLI and it looks like i wouldnt be able to power even one 30 inch display as it requires dual output? is that right? that is definitely a bummer if it is... if that -is- the case, does anyone have monitor reccomendations? i know this isnt exactly the forum for it, but if someone here has an answer it's better than cluttering up a bunch of other forums (not to mention, haha, it takes me a bazillion years to browse around).

as for budget concerns, well, there arent any. we might not be the best paid army in the world, or anything close to it, but i dont exactly have a lot of bills, so ive got quite a bit saved up (read - +15k). plus, im coming back to a job at intel, so the cashflow wont exactly stop either :)

seriously though, thanks again to everyone for all the help and the welcome home ;) im totally stoked to get home. looking at the beast this machine might end up being makes my dick almost as hard as the pictures my girlfriend sends... :D
 
forrehmmnd said:
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112062
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817189015
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131074
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115011
memory : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145039
Video (2 of these) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130079
sound card : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102191
cpu cooler. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185038
hdd: 2 of these, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136034
all comes out to 3333 with shipping
not sure if you want vista
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116140 383 w/shipping
total w/vista 3717
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5min load times and you give him links? :rolleyes:

Quad SLI is possible, but not with DX10 cards. SLI'ing two 8800GTX's would be best, but in SLI mode, only one monitor will work. Also, why Apple's? The Dells are much cheaper, and use the same panel.

Quadcore isn't worth its price right now, especially for gaming, even though you have loads of cash. They will soon be much more affordable after the summer. You might as well go with a dual core for now, OC the hell out of it, and upgrade to quad core later on, when its more useful for your needs. Its also harder to OC the quadcores, so in essense they'll be slower.

5K budget? with dual 30's, thats about $2500 left for the tower (best case scenario without hookups), since dell charges tax everywhere, lol (assuming you go with Dells; Apples will cost even more). Now you want dual 8800GTX's, which cost around $550 each, so there goes another $1100... and now your down to $1400. A quadcore will cost you about $1k until the after summer price drops, so that leaves you with $400 for ram/psu/case/hdds. You want dual raptors, which are $170 each, which leaves you with $60 for ram, psu and case. I think you should go with a dual core CPU for now, because the Q6600 will drop to like $300 later this year. It all depends on how good your hookup is on displays.

Hmm... wrote all the above earlier, but forgot to hit submit. I'll update this when I have more time.

//EDIT: saw your reply...

The speed of ram you need depends on which CPU you get, and what settings you plan on running at. Default speed is DDR2-533, with an FSB of 266Mhz. So, how far do you plan on pushing the FSB, and how high is the limit of your board/cpu -- are questions that need to be answered. Most Conroes can reach around 3.5Ghz. So with an E6600, you'll need some DDR2-800 ram for that type of OC. To utilize 4GB of ram, you'll need a 64-bit OS.

I don't see a quadcore being necessary in a desktop/gaming environment at least for another year.

The 30" LCD requires a Dual-LINK DVI port, which most cards come with. It does not require dual DVI ports. More info on DVI: http://www.datapro.net/techinfo/dvi_info.html

No, thank YOU!! We love doin this stuff :D
 
only the 64 bit operating systems (xp64 asnd vista 64bit) handle 4 gb of ram and even then it can cause issues. yeah there is ddr 1200 but you probably wont need it. and if im not mistaken kingston is the only one who makes it at the moment. and acid is proly right, for the moment the e6700 is probably going to give the best performance for what your doing. i just get carried away :D
 
I say that if you are wanting to go quad core, and have the cash, go for it! You'll be ahead of the curve for sure. Price drops are always going to happen, but if money is no object, then you may as well go for the best.
 
enginurd said:
5min load times and you give him links? :rolleyes:

Quad SLI is possible, but not with DX10 cards. SLI'ing two 8800GTX's would be best, but in SLI mode, only one monitor will work. Also, why Apple's? The Dells are much cheaper, and use the same panel.

Quadcore isn't worth its price right now, especially for gaming, even though you have loads of cash. They will soon be much more affordable after the summer. You might as well go with a dual core for now, OC the hell out of it, and upgrade to quad core later on, when its more useful for your needs. Its also harder to OC the quadcores, so in essense they'll be slower.

5K budget? with dual 30's, thats about $2500 left for the tower (best case scenario without hookups), since dell charges tax everywhere, lol (assuming you go with Dells; Apples will cost even more). Now you want dual 8800GTX's, which cost around $550 each, so there goes another $1100... and now your down to $1400. A quadcore will cost you about $1k until the after summer price drops, so that leaves you with $400 for ram/psu/case/hdds. You want dual raptors, which are $170 each, which leaves you with $60 for ram, psu and case. I think you should go with a dual core CPU for now, because the Q6600 will drop to like $300 later this year. It all depends on how good your hookup is on displays.

Hmm... wrote all the above earlier, but forgot to hit submit. I'll update this when I have more time.

//EDIT: saw your reply...

The speed of ram you need depends on which CPU you get, and what settings you plan on running at. Default speed is DDR2-533, with an FSB of 266Mhz. So, how far do you plan on pushing the FSB, and how high is the limit of your board/cpu -- are questions that need to be answered. Most Conroes can reach around 3.5Ghz. So with an E6600, you'll need some DDR2-800 ram for that type of OC. To utilize 4GB of ram, you'll need a 64-bit OS.

I don't see a quadcore being necessary in a desktop/gaming environment at least for another year.

The 30" LCD requires a Dual-LINK DVI port, which most cards come with. It does not require dual DVI ports. More info on DVI: http://www.datapro.net/techinfo/dvi_info.html

No, thank YOU!! We love doin this stuff :D
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I agree with all of his points, except I would definitely overclock the system out of the box to help eliminate bottlenecking from the CPU.

Overclocked C2D CPU - E6400 or E6420
2x 2gb kits of Buffalo Firestix (DDR800, with D9 Micron chips for good OC-ability)
1x 150gb Raptor, maybe even Serial Attached SCSI (although I personally felt levels loaded faster with RAID 0, data is safer without it)
2x 8800GTX in SLI
680i chipset or whatever the [H] deems a good motherboard (Gigabyte DS4?)
2x Dell 30" displays

That's about it - thanks for your service to us, the American people
 
SEALTeamSix said:
I agree with all of his points, except I would definitely overclock the system out of the box to help eliminate bottlenecking from the CPU.

Overclocked C2D CPU - E6400 or E6420
2x 2gb kits of Buffalo Firestix (DDR800, with D9 Micron chips for good OC-ability)
1x 150gb Raptor, maybe even Serial Attached SCSI (although I personally felt levels loaded faster with RAID 0, data is safer without it)
2x 8800GTX in SLI
680i chipset or whatever the [H] deems a good motherboard (Gigabyte DS4?)
2x Dell 30" displays

That's about it - thanks for your service to us, the American people
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Oh yah, definately OC. These chips have so much headroom, they're stable even at speeds above 3Ghz -- they're a dream to OC, to (so easy).

Nice build, btw. For mobo, go with the 680i LT if you'd like to avoid any of the problems most people are having with the 680i SLI boards. The P5N32-E SLI Plus is similar to a 680i LT board.

I dont think you need dual raptors either. If you want to run RAID0, do it with 4x 7200.10 250gb seagate drives... that'll be quicker than two raptors in RAID0. My single raptor gets about 78MB/s. My Seagate .10 320gb gets around 65MB/s. With a 4x drive array of 7200rpm drives, you should be lookin at around 180MB/s.
 
Why get 2 dell 30" monitors and do SLI? You wont be able to use both screens in SLI. Besides, 1 30" monitor should be enough and if you want a little bit more room you can get a 24" and turn it sideways since they line up nice and even.
 
Welcome home, man :)

Scrap the idea of the quad sli, and 2 30 inchers.
Go 8 series SLi w/ a Westinghouse 37" LVM-37w3 monitor.
 
hyt3k9 said:
Welcome home, man :)

Scrap the idea of the quad sli, and 2 30 inchers.
Go 8 series SLi w/ a Westinghouse 37" LVM-37w3 monitor.
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I think he gets a hookup on those 30's, but if he can get it on the westy, too, that would be a good idea.
 
hyt3k9 said:
Westinghouse 37" LVM-37w3 monitor.
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I like this idea too, but you may find that the 30" has better resolution for your taste. Both are good options, and my advice is to look at each in person in a store, and decide accordingly.

I hate to poo-poo a grand idea, but the 2x 30" is a little excessive... a 24" turned vertical is a good alternative if you want an extra monitor, though.

Also, yeah, no quad SLI - that's just not really feasible at this point.
 
hey, thanks again for all the input. i've definitely given up on the quad SLI idea, though im still undecided on quad core... the thought of 4 cores just makes me giggle a little.

also really starting to reconsider the cinemas - apple gives a mil discount, and i have a friend who works at one of the stores who is in the gaurd, and can get me mil discount plus employee discount, brings it down to about 1450 per, two is definitely out of the question, i really want the horsepower of SLI, even if it means giving up real estate.

now it was mentioned that the dell screen has the exact same screen as the apple? i really liked the resolution (very good eyesight, even if i cant hear for shit out of one ear anymore). 1050 is a very good price, even if it is refurbished, anyone know what the warranty is like on that? dell doesn't have quite as much pure sex appeal as the apple screen, but there is a difference between being willing to go the extra mile and being loose with my cash :) a couple hundred dollars for aluminum housing is a little silly, no matter how good they look. plus, i would rather have a dell logo on my desk than an apple logo :)

also, when you guys say a 24" turned sideways, you mean vertical? ive never thought of that, anyone have pictures of how it looks in action? im building my own desk when i get back, so space isnt a problem, i don't really know why anyone would turn a 24"er over like that, so i think im missing something.

oh hey, completely unrelated, but is there a market for anyone interested in carbon fiber desks? entertainment centers, etc? dont ask how, but i learned quite about about injection molding CF out here and have made some pretty wicked shit for the ODA's ive been attached to already..
 
I guess it would depend on how far your monitor will be from you. The Westy is a bit HUGE to be sitting as close as a 30" monitor. Then again, the 30" is a bit huge to be sitting as close as a 20", lol.

It seems your hookups still won't get you two 30's for under $2500. So, the Dell's are a better choice. The 2407fpw vertical is just for the extra desktop space... you know, in case the 30" isn't good enough. People turn them vertically because they line up to be the same size as the 30".

I don't imagine you'll be too happy if you buy a quadcore now at $1k, just to see them drop to sub $400 in less than 6 months.

How much would those CF desks cost? hehe
 
ok ok, haha, point taken about the quad core. gawd i want it though... so what's the best dual core out there right now?

how would i get two screens out of an SLI setup is my other question? would it be something like having to get a third video card to run the other monitor? any reccomendations on what i would get to do that?

i cant be completely sure on a the desk yet, i have to see just how good my old hookups in the racing world are, but it would be fairly steep. probably 600 bucks, around there, and naturally, you being a fellow [H]'er that's not really including a profit margin. but if you're interested PM me your email and ill start a list of people to give information to once i get back and get an idea of materials cost.
 
Hey, others already have you covered but I wanted to take a second to thank you, very much, for your service :)

-Larry (a former Navy Chief)
 
no worries chief, i enjoy the work :) how many people can say they get paid to blow shit up and kill people? well, legally at least...

anyway, dont thank me yet, my last op of the deployment is tonight, and it looks to consist of a week in the friggin lion's den, so thank me after i survive this one. 3 purplehearts so far, in as many years in the army, so definitely keeping my fingers crossed about that lucky bb that always seems to get guys in the last two months...
 
jarhead said:
no worries chief, i enjoy the work :) how many people can say they get paid to blow shit up and kill people? well, legally at least...

anyway, dont thank me yet, my last op of the deployment is tonight, and it looks to consist of a week in the friggin lion's den, so thank me after i survive this one. 3 purplehearts so far, in as many years in the army, so definitely keeping my fingers crossed about that lucky bb that always seems to get guys in the last two months...
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Good luck on the op tonite...my buddy did 2 TOD in A-stan, now he is at Ft. Hood doing some (lots) paperwork. US Army ftw!

$5k on a system, you will get something badass. The sys in my sig was 2k even, with 2 LCDs.
 
Rob Black said:
E6600 (my opinion)


:)
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Agreed - the multiplier on this is all you need to max your overclock. Anything faster is just a higher multi, which doesn't really help you, it just makes for less memory bandwidth.

You should wait a few more days before buying - April 22 means price cuts for Intel processors.
 
P.S. - buy these now while they are in stock: link

This RAM is the stuff you want - D9GHM chips mean you can overclock past 1000 MHz.
 
Hey just a point of clarification, I believe the 20.1" Dell's are the ones that turn vertically to fit nicely alongside the 30".

My friend has a 30" and two 20.1"'s on each side turned vertically and it's one of the best set ups i've ever seen, I'll try to get some pictures later.

If you turn the 24" vertical it would have 1920 vertical resolution, where as the 30" has only 1600 vertical resolution which matches the 20.1" perfectly.

So, in that case you would get 2x 8800 GTX in SLI mode to drive games on your 30", and then you would need some relatively inexpensive PCI vid cards to run the 20.1"'s for desktop use. He typically uses the 30" for gaming, video, etc., his left monitor for browsing and multitasking with other apps, and his right monitor for IM, etc.

With this setup you'd be running under $2k for a total resolution of 4960x1600 which is very similar to two 30" monitors but IMO, it is much more useful having 3 with a large 30" as your centerpiece.
 
Dell 30" - $1050
2x Dell 20.1" - $540
680i SLI mobo - i.e. Asus p5n32 - $210
Cooler Master Stacker Full Tower - $155
Tuniq Tower 120 - $65
2x 500gb 7200.10 Seagates - $280
G. Skill or other 2GB PC26400 - $170
Thermaltake Toughpower 750 or other PSU - $190
Intel Core 2 Duo E 6700 - $315 after the drop
2x EVGA 8800 GTX - $1200
Your choice of extra PCI graphics card that can run the remaining two 20.1"ers - $50-100
X-Fi - Fatal1ty - $130
OEM packages of Vista / Windows XP - $250ish

comes to $4655 on the high end before tax & shipping if applicable in your state

what do you guys think?
modular psu that's as good as the toughpower?
I added in the two HD's because if you're anything like me, filling up HD space is always too easy. You can also raid array the 500's and just keep media or expendable data on it that you can easily download again, then use some of your other fast drives (if they're fast) to dual boot xp/vista at your preference. You could easily take some of the price out of this and throw in a raptor if you want as well.
 
djiddish98 said:
Dell 30" - $1050
2x Dell 20.1" - $540
680i SLI mobo - i.e. Asus p5n32 - $210
Cooler Master Stacker Full Tower - $155
Tuniq Tower 120 - $65
2x 500gb 7200.10 Seagates - $280
G. Skill or other 2GB PC26400 - $170
Thermaltake Toughpower 750 or other PSU - $190
Intel Core 2 Duo E 6700 - $315 after the drop
2x EVGA 8800 GTX - $1200
Your choice of extra PCI graphics card that can run the remaining two 20.1"ers - $50-100
X-Fi - Fatal1ty - $130
OEM packages of Vista / Windows XP - $250ish

comes to $4655 on the high end before tax & shipping if applicable in your state

what do you guys think?
modular psu that's as good as the toughpower?
I added in the two HD's because if you're anything like me, filling up HD space is always too easy. You can also raid array the 500's and just keep media or expendable data on it that you can easily download again, then use some of your other fast drives (if they're fast) to dual boot xp/vista at your preference. You could easily take some of the price out of this and throw in a raptor if you want as well.
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Just a few minor changes:

700W Toughpower PSU for $120 (Saves $70)
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4929751

Very Quiet, Good 120mm Yate Loon Case Fans ($4 per fan, $5 flat shipping, free fan for every 2 you buy):
http://www.nexfan.com/silent-120mm-fan-d12sl-12.html

Pic of triple-monitor madness:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archive...2001fp_action_8_megapixel_desktop.html?page=2

Kyle's quad-monitor setup:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1179380

Talk of 2001fp vs 2007fp: Bottom line is that people say the 2007fp is the way to go.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1004&message=17892248&changemode=1

Link to Dell 2007fp factory refurb for $309:
http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnline...c=us&cs=28&l=en&lob=MON&MODEL_DESC=ALL&s=dfb7

Make sure you get an S-IPS panel in your 2007fp - they look better than the other types of panels that might ship in a 2007fp.
 
agreed on the 2007, also those monitor prices were from the outlet store, which may or may not be the way to go for you but will certainly save you money unless you hunt around deals sites or the deal section here for some good coupons.
 
djiddish98 said:
agreed on the 2007, also those monitor prices were from the outlet store, which may or may not be the way to go for you but will certainly save you money unless you hunt around deals sites or the deal section here for some good coupons.
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agreed, link edited
 
Hey guys, thanks again for all the help. I think I've got a pretty good idea what I'm going to build now (the possibility of 3 monitors, one 30 inch and two 24's (or 20.7?) has my dick quite hard. Should be enough to make some people on here jealous :) Also, -sigh- I guess I won't go with the quadcore. Supreme Commander looks to be a badass game, but I think with this machine I should be able to play it just fine anyway, being that my laptop with a single 2.0ghz centrino single core and a 7800gtx mobile and only 2gb of ram runs it just fine.

Oh, haha, and if anyone hadn't caught on, I survived the operation. Broken toe and two cracked teeth later, but I'm alive, and considering how close the RPG was, that's good enough. Can't wait to come home and keep my war to a screen where I can pause it at any time :)
 
hey, one other thing, how do i ensure that im getting an S-IPS panel? is there someplace that will show that?
 
jarhead said:
and if anyone hadn't caught on, I survived the operation. Broken toe and two cracked teeth later, but I'm alive, and considering how close the RPG was, that's good enough. Can't wait to come home and keep my war to a screen where I can pause it at any time :)
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'Glad to hear you doing okay, dude. ;)

jarhead said:
hey, one other thing, how do i ensure that im getting an S-IPS panel? is there someplace that will show that?
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Bugger.. there is a foreign website (i think) which is basically a database of almost every monitor available and the panel type used, only i can't remember the name of it. If anyone could post it, it would be a lot of help to me, too.
 
Mansize_tissue said:
Bugger.. there is a foreign website (i think) which is basically a database of almost every monitor available and the panel type used, only i can't remember the name of it. If anyone could post it, it would be a lot of help to me, too.
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I don't think it will ensure that you get a SIPS panel, but are you talking about this one? http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php

Dell likes to switch panels without telling anyone. If you don't get what you want, just return it.
 
Glad to hear you're coming home in one piece.

Minor points:
The 20" panels line up with the 30", not the 24" ones. The recommended screens are Dell 2007FP monitors (not "FPW", those are widescreen).

What the heck is an S-IPS panel? Why do I want one? Link:
http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php

I'm not on top of my game about the Dell panel issue, but here's a good link for ya:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1111100

It's not the end of the world if you get an S-PVA, but I'd try for an S-IPS. For your hundreds of dollars, you should expect high quality goods.
 
ok, so i'm reading that dell will exchange with me until i get a good one? is that right?

also, other than that NEC widescreen ive seen, is there any other garunteed S-IPS panels out there?
 
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