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Need help for new rig

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OH23

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Hello,
I'm planning to buy new rig, I want to buy it from Newegg.
most of the time the computer will be used for web browsing and to run HD movies to the TV.
I heard that there are good OB video cards that can manage HD contents so it can be maybe cheaper than video card.
my budget is 400$ for: Mother board, CPU, Memory, Hard Disk (i need something between 500gb to 1tb) and PSU.
thank you.


p.s
sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes, English is not my first language.
 
if your looking for something that just does web browsing and HD playback.. look into either the amd 780g or 790g chipsets, or the nvidia 8200 8300 9300 9400 chipsets.. they can all handle HD(DXVA) content along with 7.1 lossless audio through DVI to HDMI(except the 780g it can only do 5.1)
 
1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc most of the time web browsing but planning on streaming HD movies to my TV.
2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included? 400$, want to send it to OH. shipping is 7$ so...
3) Where do you live? Israel
4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. Please be very specific. Mother board, CPU. Memory, Hard disk, PSU (if the video card is not on board then I need one too).
5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model. (I will buy here in Israel the case, but I'm not sure which one)
6) Will you be overclocking? NO
7) What size monitor do you have and/or plan to have? I have SyncMaster 931B as main monitor, and two TV's that I will connect the PC to them to run the movies, one is Sharp 37" AD5, and one in Panasonic 42" plasma PV80.

8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC? one week[/B]
9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? etc. digital audio output and HDMI
10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license? I have legit copy of windows.
 
Hmm, $400 might be a bit too much:
$60 - AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 CPU
$75 - Asus M3N78-VM GeForce 8200 HDMI mATX Motherboard
$47 - Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5 2 x 2GB DDR2 800 RAM
$50 - Corsair 400CX 400W PSU
$60 - Western Digital WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
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Total: $292 plus tax and shipping.

As sirmonkey1985 said, the 8200 chipset will offload most if not all of decoding of HD content which means lower CPU usage. The mobo has HDMI and does support 7.1 LPCM audio through HDMI. For web browsing, you don't need anything higher than th X2 7750.
 
a 7750 is overkill for a system doing web browsing and HD playback..

a x2 be-2400 x2 4050e x2 5050e are even overkill but they would use a ton less power and create a ton less heat then a 7750..

my htpc is an x2 be-2350 @ 2.1ghz(does overclock to 3.05ghz but i put it back to stock to save power) with a 780g chipset.. running bluray's or 1080p L4.1 x264 encodes i only use 8% of my cpu during playback..
 
A ton of either is a gross exaggeration. 5050e and 7750 cost the same and the power saving in terms of $ is negligible. At least you'll have that extra headroom with a 7750, and again they cost the same so it's not like one of those arguments between quad vs dual.
 
thank you everyone for your suggestions. this rig can handle multi-tasking?
 
let's say: MSN, ICQ, Wireshark, Office all together.
and another thing, if one day i will have the urge to play new game on the market the rig will deal with it? (I'm talking generally, on low config).
thanks
 
OH23 said:
let's say: MSN, ICQ, Wireshark, Office all together.
and another thing, if one day i will have the urge to play new game on the market the rig will deal with it? (I'm talking generally, on low config).
thanks
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Oh those are relatively mild apps. The X2 7750 + 4GB of RAM + fast WD 640GB drive (which you should buy ASAP as that is a sale price) will be more than capable of handling that.

As for games, for 800x600 with everything at low settings, the onboard video will barely be enough. Since you haven't figured out exactly whether or not not you want play games, don't bother getting a video card until you know 100% for sure that you will play 3D PC games.
 
That's not reeeeally multitasking; any dual core or single core CPU incl. Atom will handle them w/o choking. The system (even though they're the same..) posted will (figuratively speaking) handle 10+ times that.

And your second question - we don't know when your urge will come, nor do we know what games will be out when your urge comes. The 8200 will do older games, google a review and look at the benchmarks.
 
that is a good idea, I will see in the future if I play games and then i will buy video card.
but let's say, it will run for example counter strike source? with good resolution?
thanks
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
a 7750 is overkill for a system doing web browsing and HD playback..

a x2 be-2400 x2 4050e x2 5050e are even overkill but they would use a ton less power and create a ton less heat then a 7750..

my htpc is an x2 be-2350 @ 2.1ghz(does overclock to 3.05ghz but i put it back to stock to save power) with a 780g chipset.. running bluray's or 1080p L4.1 x264 encodes i only use 8% of my cpu during playback..
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Quiet n' Cool works better on the 7750. So power saving is gain is very small by using x2 be 2350 over 7750. At idle (below 20% CPU usage) 7750 downclocks to 1.4 GHz at 1.05v and I am sure it would pawn x2 be 2350 overclock at its stock 2.7 Ghz.
 
ok so I thought about it and because this is desktop PC and not HTPC I prefer ATX mother board and not micro ATX. then I can add to that video card for lite gaming and to run HD contents.
please help me with this...
thanks
 
OH23 said:
ok so I thought about it and because this is desktop PC and not HTPC I prefer ATX mother board and not micro ATX. then I can add to that video card for lite gaming and to run HD contents.
please help me with this...
thanks
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Dude, you can add video cards to a mATX mobo. In addition, you didn't mention at all if you needed all those expansion ports (which you probably won't need) of an ATX mobo. Can you provide a practical and very possible reason why you want an ATX mobo over a mATX mobo?

With that said, swap out the Asus mobo for this Gigabyte mobo:
$70 - GA-MA770-UD3 AMD 770 Motherboard

And add this HD4670 video card since it supports 7.1audio through HDMI:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121274
 
OH23 said:
ok so I thought about it and because this is desktop PC and not HTPC I prefer ATX mother board and not micro ATX. then I can add to that video card for lite gaming and to run HD contents.
please help me with this...
thanks
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This is such a false misconception that gets on my nerves, and I'm sure many of us SFF users. mATX is NOT HTPC. What Danny said, and mATX is not anymore gimped than ATX.

If you're dead set on having 7 PCI slots then get ATX.
 
OH23 said:
that is a good idea, I will see in the future if I play games and then i will buy video card.
but let's say, it will run for example counter strike source? with good resolution?
thanks
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Danny Bui said:
Nope, not really.
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Actually it might.

Half Life 2 Episode 2 on a 780G (HD3200, equivalent to the 8200) gives these FPS numbers:
1024*768 = 23fps all settings max
http://hothardware.com/Articles/ASUS-M3A78EMH-HDMI-AMD-780G-Motherboard-/?page=8

CS:S is less intensive than HL2E2 (yes, same engine, less details) so tuning it down to medium or low settings should get decent frames at higher res.
 
lowteckh said:
This is such a false misconception that gets on my nerves, and I'm sure many of us SFF users. mATX is NOT HTPC. What Danny said, and mATX is not anymore gimped than ATX.

If you're dead set on having 7 PCI slots then get ATX.
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I really don't have any plans to use 7 PCI slots (or even one of them).
but I'm really want understand why the mATX is the default mobo in this case? the only thing that I have in mind is because of the on board video card.
that's correct?
thanks
 
Cuz it's cheaper (I think, can't be bothered to search it up again), and most integrated IGP boards are mATX. Onboard graphics is onboard graphics regardless of form factor. A 8200 GPU in a mATX board is not interior to one in a 8200 mATX.
 
lowteckh said:
Actually it might.

Half Life 2 Episode 2 on a 780G (HD3200, equivalent to the 8200) gives these FPS numbers:
1024*768 = 23fps all settings max
http://hothardware.com/Articles/ASUS-M3A78EMH-HDMI-AMD-780G-Motherboard-/?page=8

CS:S is less intensive than HL2E2 (yes, same engine, less details) so tuning it down to medium or low settings should get decent frames at higher res.
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Hmmm, I stand corrected.

OH23 said:
but I'm really want understand why the mATX is the default mobo in this case? the only thing that I have in mind is because of the on board video card.
that's correct?
thanks
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Well you didn't mention any need for multiple expansion ports or actual gaming but mentioned a need for HD content. As a result, mATX was the best choice for your needs at the time since A) the onboard video was capable of offloading HD decoding and B) had all of the features that you mentioned in your answer to question 9. Form factor was not a factor at all. Thats why a mATX mobo was selected and recommended for your needs since it best fitted your needs.
 
the price difference is 5$.
let's say I bought only the mATX with the 8200 on board. and in two moth I will notice that it is not enough for me, can I buy new video card and to install it on the mobo? it will work fine?
thanks
 
OH23 said:
the price difference is 5$.
let's say I bought only the mATX with the 8200 on board. and in two moth I will notice that it is not enough for me, can I buy new video card and to install it on the mobo? it will work fine?
thanks
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Actually the price difference is more than $5 since you're gonna need a video card with that ATX mobo I selected whereas the 8200 mobo already has integrated graphics.

But yes you can add a new video card without any problem with that 8200 mobo.
 
OH23 said:
the price difference is 5$.
let's say I bought only the mATX with the 8200 on board. and in two moth I will notice that it is not enough for me, can I buy new video card and to install it on the mobo? it will work fine?
thanks
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Your video card is limited by your case, not motherboard.

PCIEx16 is PCIEx16. You should indulge yourself in some computer building basics, lest you stick a PCIE card into a PCI lane.

E.G. pvhk's system
IMG_0378copier.jpg
 
thank you all, I will probably buy what you all suggested.
any way now I only need case suggestion from you guys.
my budget for this is 100$, but since I'm going to buy this one in Israel that is much more expansive than US, please suggest cases that cost in US something between 50-70$.
thank you
 
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