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Tox1c

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hey guys now that is out the new 9800GX2 and the MoBo 790i Ultra what do u think? should i get them?
so my pc would be this:
- Microsoft - Windows Vista Ultimate x64 (64-bit) DVD, OEM, 1-Pack
- Silverstone - TJ09B Aluminum Tower w/ Window, Black
- Intel - Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600 2.4GHz w/ 2x4MB Cache
- Thermalright - Ultra-120 eXtreme Aluminum Heatsink for P4-775 / AM2
- Western Digital - 500GB Caviar SE16 7200rpm SATA II w/ 16MB Cache
- Samsung - SH-S203N 20X SpeedPlus™ DVD-Writer w/ Lightscribe, SATA, Black
- Samsung - SyncMaster 225MS 22in Widescreen LCD w/ DVI, HDMI, 5ms, Speakers, Black
- THERMALTAKE - Toughpower 750W Power Supply
- Logitech - G15 Gaming Keyboard, v.2
- Logitech - G9 Laser Mouse
- eVGA - nForce 790i Ultra SLI w/ DualDDR3, 7.1 Audio, Dual GB Lan, 1394, PCI-E 2.0, 3-Way SLI
- eVGA - e-GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDMI
- OCZ - 4GB PC2-6400 SLI-Ready Edition Dual Channel DDR2 Kit (2 x 2GB)

Im not sure about the monitor what would u recommend me? (i want to play at high resolution)
a 22'' would be ok?
and im not sure about the PSU, a 750W would be ok with those parts or do i need more W?
 
I'm doing a similar build; ceck out my thread. I got a lot of pushback on the 790i.. If you're going to overclock the Q6600 you might want to go for a solid 780i board, DDR2 and SLI'd Ultras/GTXs....
 
Tox1c said:
hey guys now that is out the new 9800GX2 and the MoBo 790i Ultra what do u think? should i get them?
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- OCZ - 4GB PC2-6400 SLI-Ready Edition Dual Channel DDR2 Kit (2 x 2GB)
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If you're going to the 790i chipset you're going to want DDR3 memory, which according to everything I've seen, is not worth the price increase unless you're really rolling in the money. If that is the case, please feel free to send some my way. :cool:

-Jade
 
I wouldnt go less than 24" with that much power on tap.
The immersion will be even greater and their are some fast MVA panel LCDs out in 24"
Some are unreasonably cheap too!
 
oh and thanks for linking your thread johnnynj! that thread can help me a lot too!
 
Tox1c said:
and i was thinking to get this monitor: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX17409(ME).aspx is it good enough for the 9800GX2? do i need HDMI or component for high resolution?
or a samsung syncmaster 22'' http://www.memoryexpress.com/Produc...hLCD(ME)/Default.aspx?cf=Manufacturer:Samsung
which one is the best between these 5 monitors?

Thanks for the replies guys!
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The 24" looks good as long as the type is an IPS or MVA/PVA and not a TN.
HDMI isnt required but will give a slightly cleaner looking image compared to VGA.
VGA will work fine though and you might as well try it if HDMI cables cost a lot where you buy.
Component is analogue like VGA with slightly better clarity but you arent likely to be missing anything with a VGA connection anyway.
Give VGA a try, you may be surprised.

VGA (or any analogue) connection will not allow you to play back HDCP protected movie content.
To get this you will need to use DVI-D or HDMI with a HDCP enabled graphics card and monitor.
This wont matter to you unless you intend on playing Blue Ray movies.
Also the 24" monitor you chose has DVI-D but not HDMI so you couldnt use HDMI anyway :)
 
VGA and Component are Analogue.
DVI, DVI-D and HDMI are Digital.
On the Digital side, you will only need to consider DVI-D (due to the high resolution) and HDMI and for your purposes they will give an identical result.

You need a digital connection that also supports HDCP to playback Blue Ray HDCP protected media.
That is the only reason you "need" a Digital connection.
You may prefer the quality of a digital connection but there sometimes is a loss of some monitor functions in Digital mode.
The quality difference can vary quite a lot but all the setups I have seen using VGA at 1080p look absolutely fine.

Try Analogue (VGA) if you already have the cable.
If its good enough you will know, or more to the point, if its not good enough you will know :)
 
ok, thanks!
and now just a question for the mobo and the video card...
should i get the 9800GTX or the 9800GX2? what'a the difference?
and is the 780i MoBo good for overclocking even with the Q9450? is it a great board or just OK? (i want to OC the memory and maybe the video card as well)
 
The GX2 is basically two video cards in one package. The GTX is a single GPU and is basically similar to the current 8800GTS 512MB, just more energy efficient, at least from what I've read so far.

As for whether or not the 780i chipset is good for overclocking, it depends on which 780i mobo you're using. AFAIK, the MSI P7N Diamond is one of the few 780i mobos that can overclock well without the stability issues that many other 780i mobos have.
 
how about the eVGA 780i? and hey can u give me those canadian/usa links that u gave me before plz? ...thanks in advance!
 
Tox1c said:
how about the eVGA 780i? and hey can u give me those canadian/usa links that u gave me before plz? ...thanks in advance!
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You mean this?:

Abit IP35-E Intel P35 Motherboard - $90
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L Intel P35 Motherboard - $90
MSI P35 Neo2-FR Intel P35 Motherboard - $112
DFI BloodIron P35-T2RL Intel P35 Motherboard - $120
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R Intel P35 Motherboard - $122
DFI LanParty DK P35-T2RS Intel P35 Motherboard - $140
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3P Intel P35 Motherboard - $151
Abit IP35 Pro Intel P35 Motherboard - $170
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS4 Intel P35 Motherboard - $180
Gigabyte GA-X38-DS4 Intel X38 Motherboard - $207

Just to help you out: If you don't need RAID, more than 4 SATA ports or legacy ports, then the IP35-E is a good choice. If you like the IP35-E but need legacy ports, check out the DS3L. If you need 5 SATA ports, 2 eSATA ports, and a second PCI-E x16 port, then get the Neo2-Fr. If you want heavy overclocking abilities and six SATA ports, check out the Blood Iron. If you like the BloodIron but want significantly better overclock stability, go for the LanParty. If you want 8 SATA ports, RAID, and legacy ports and high overclocks, than the DS3R is a good choice. If you want the DS3R but need Firewire and a second PCI-E x16 port, then go for the DS3P. If you want something that can overclock pretty damn high along with eSATA ports and firewire connections, than the IP35 Pro. Note that the IP35-Pro seems to have problems with the Wolfdales CPUs

As for eVGA 780i mobo, here's what Dan_D, our mobo editor had to say about the 780i mobos:
Dan_D said:
Right now if you want a 780i SLI board you are limited to:

EVGA 780i SLI (132-CK-NF78-A1)
XFX 780i SLI
ASUS P5N-T
ASUS Striker II Formula
MSI P7N Diamond

The first two are ok, but have quirks and frankly they already have apparent quality issues and since they are so close to the 680i SLI reference design I advise staying clear of them. There is already some evidence that shows them to be ticking time-bombs like the 680i SLI reference boards were. I don't blame EVGA or XFX for that, but rather I blame NVIDIA.

That leaves the non-reference boards. The P5N-T I've never heard anything good about. Even Kyle didn't care for it too much as he had some issues with it. The Striker II Formula isn't much better and it has several of the same issues the Striker Extreme 680i SLI board had. That's not acceptable at all.

That leaves the P7N Diamond which I know next to nothing about. I know that I don't like some things about the layout, but otherwise it looks like a solid offering. I won't know until I actually have one in my hands for testing, if I ever get to test one.
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Other places to buy in Canada:
NCIX (Canada site)
Canada Computers
DirectCanada
Tiger Direct (Canada site)

I would hold off on buying the 790i. It could turn out to be the 680i all over again. In addition, DDR3 RAM is expensive compared to their DDR2 counterparts. And the performance gain is very little, if any. It's only when you get to high DDR3 speeds, DDR3 2000 I believe, where DDR3 RAM makes a good difference. But again, it's pretty damn expensive. Would not recommend 790i at this time.

Yes there are some DDR2 800 RAM that can overclock to DDR2 1066 speeds. Some DDR3 should also be overclockable as well. However, you do NOT need to OC the RAM at all with the Q66600, even with overclocking in mind. Intel C2D systems do no benefit from faster RAM or having the RAM and FSB at anything other than a 1:1 ratio. Some math:

Stated FSB/4 = Actual FSB
Multiplier x Actual FSB = CPU Speed
2 x Actual FSB = RAM Speed

Q6600:
Multi x Actual FSB, Stated FSB, RAM Speed = Clock Speed
9 x 266Mhz, 1066Mhz, DDR2 533 RAM = 2.4Ghz <== Stock Speeds
9 x 333Mhz, 1333Mhz, DDR2 667 RAM = 3.0Ghz <== Good OC
9 x 400Mhz, 1600Mhz, DDR2 800 RAM = 3.6Ghz <== Excellent OC, About the Max

So DDR2 800 RAM is all that you need.

Also note that Intel's new Nehalem CPU architecture will be coming out this year with mainstream parts coming out in Q1 2009. With the arrival of Nehalem, there will be a new socket, meaning not a single CPU today will work with Nehalem sockets, and a switch to DDR3 RAM.

So investing in a pretty expensive mobo that'll be outdated and incompatible in less a year is a bad idea. You might also be thinking, "Oh I'll just buy some DDR3 1066 or 1333 RAM today and use them with Nehalem." Bad line of thinking. We don't know for sure whether or not the Nehalem CPUs will support DDR3 1066 RAM. In addition, DDR3 RAM prices will drop in the future. So it behooves you to wait till then.
 
ok! thanks very much for the aswers! i'll get an DDR2 and the mobo i dont know yet...thanks for the help guys!!!!
 
OK what features do you need and want in a motherboard? Heavy overclocking features? RAID? Multiple SATA ports? etc.
 
Danny Bui said:
OK what features do you need and want in a motherboard? Heavy overclocking features? RAID? Multiple SATA ports? etc.
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sorry but i dont know...i only thing i know is that i want righ overclocking...(hehehe :()
maybe this can help?? these are the parts i choose...

eVGA 9800GX2

Western Digital Caviar 500GB 7200rpm

Q6600 G0

Memory: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13220BD8253&vpn=OCZ2RPR10664GK&manufacture=OCZ or http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13220BD4678&vpn=OCZ2RPX10004GK&manufacture=OCZ

Windows Vista Ultimate x64

oh and maybe SLI because im gona take a 24'' ???
 
We've gone over this before: You do not need high speed DDR2 RAM. All you need is DDR2 800 RAM. 3.6Ghz is about the max you can get with the Q6600 with air cooling alone. So no point or use whatsoever for DDR2 1000 or DDR2 1066.

Since you're getting a 9800GX2, no need for an SLI motherboard. A single 9800GX2 should suffice for many many games out there.
 
ok so 800MHz for the memory!
and if i dont need sli ill get the ASUS maximus formula...the price is ok for me...even if im not gona use the crossfire in it...is there a mobo with the same features than the maximus formula but only without crossfire? i mean exactly the same but the only difference is the crossfire?
 
nope. if you like the price, go for it. most people don't like spending that much on a mobo.
 
Read post #14 again. All of the motherboards that Danny mentioned earlier are capable of overclocking the Q6600. The DFI P35-T2RS and the Abit IP35 Pro are the better choices in terms of OC-capable boards, but the Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R/DS3P/DS4 boards are no slouches.
 
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