need for arctic silver?

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RicKuRuKuS

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hey guys im installing a new amd 64 athlon 4000 in my ecs mobo and im wondering if i need some arctic silver or that goo stuff that goes between the chip and the heatsink/fan... if so where can i buy some at a store near me and how much should i put on?

thanks for any help guys i dont wanna kill my chip :)

-rick
 
yes get some AS5.... put a tiny tiny tiny tiny dab in the center.. the pressure of the hsf will spread it out.. using too much AS5 will make things worse so be sure to use a small amount the size of like pin head or so
 
More like a grain of rice. Pinhead is kinda small heh.


Buy it at svc.com. $5.99 with free shipping.
 
If you don't plan on overclocking, the pad that comes preinstalled on the heatsink that comes with the processor is more than sufficient.

If you're installing an aftermarket cooler, or reinstalling the stock cooler, or whatever, make sure both surfaces (the CPU and the heatsink) are absolutely clean before applying thermal grease. Use rubbing alcohol to clean.
 
kumquat said:
If you don't plan on overclocking, the pad that comes preinstalled on the heatsink that comes with the processor is more than sufficient.

If you're installing an aftermarket cooler, or reinstalling the stock cooler, or whatever, make sure both surfaces (the CPU and the heatsink) are absolutely clean before applying thermal grease. Use rubbing alcohol to clean.
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i never use rubbing alcohol, but that is me, i use toliet paper damp with water and rub the surfaces down and then use a fine cloth the wipe off the excess and dry.


heh.. grain of rice is better description.
 
Tetrahedron said:
i never use rubbing alcohol, but that is me, i use toliet paper damp with water and rub the surfaces down and then use a fine cloth the wipe off the excess and dry.


heh.. grain of rice is better description.
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Acohol evaporates much more quickly and does a better job of cleaning.

Grain of rice is a little too big. Think "a little bit smaller than a BB."
 
kumquat said:
Acohol evaporates much more quickly and does a better job of cleaning.

Grain of rice is a little too big. Think "a little bit smaller than a BB."
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What kind of rice do you eat?
 
Tetrahedron said:
i never use rubbing alcohol, but that is me, i use toliet paper damp with water and rub the surfaces down and then use a fine cloth the wipe off the excess and dry.


heh.. grain of rice is better description.
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The Isoprophyl alcohol breaks down the AS5 that resides in the microscopic valleys on the processor and the HS. Without the alcohol, you will not completely remove the old thermal compound, and therefore there will be less thermal conductivity.

Only a very small amount of Arctic Silver is needed on small CPU cores like Intel P3s and AMDs. Transfer about 1/2 the size of an uncooked grain of short-grain white rice or 1/4 of a BB for small core CPUs.
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On an Intel P4 or Athlon64 type CPU with a large metal heat spreader, put a small amount of Arctic Silver onto the center of the heat spreader.

Only a small amount of Arctic Silver is needed

P4- About the size of an uncooked grain of short-grain white rice or 1/2 of a BB.

Athlon64- About the size of one and a half uncooked grains of short-grain white rice or 3/4 of a BB.
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http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

I recommed reading those instructions before applying and thermal compound. This guide is specifically for AS5. For instructions on other Arctic Silver products, go to http://www.ArcticSilver.com and click on support.
 
kumquat said:
Acohol evaporates much more quickly and does a better job of cleaning.

Grain of rice is a little too big. Think "a little bit smaller than a BB."
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Yeah seriously, what kind of rice are you eating? 2 grains of rice are about the size of one BB. Unless you are eating geneticallly enchanced nuclear mutation rice.
 
DeadlyAura said:
Yeah seriously, what kind of rice are you eating? 2 grains of rice are about the size of one BB. Unless you are eating geneticallly enchanced nuclear mutation rice.
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He was probably thinking cooked, not raw....

And for general computing, AS5 is a useless investment when it comes to a 90nm A64 and the oem thermal pad. I saw no difference in temperatures. I bought an X2 heatpipe cooler and I'm using the Shin-Etsu thermal pad that came with it. Daily use clock rate listed in sig.
 
DeadlyAura said:
Yeah seriously, what kind of rice are you eating? 2 grains of rice are about the size of one BB. Unless you are eating geneticallly enchanced nuclear mutation rice.
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LOL.. Cooked vs raw is a big difference. I was picturing cooked ;)
 
Actually, the rice I eat is this big:
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;)
 
ROFL - not after seeing how much goop they were using in that photo!

BTW - if you don't use any AS5, Shin-Etsu, AS Ceramique, etc you can kiss you cpu goodbye. You'll be buying another one shortly and boning up on the proper procedure for installing a new one.
 
BigMacAttack said:
ROFL - not after seeing how much goop they were using in that photo!

BTW - if you don't use any AS5, Shin-Etsu, AS Ceramique, etc you can kiss you cpu goodbye. You'll be buying another one shortly and boning up on the proper procedure for installing a new one.
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That is untrue. You can run a processor without thermal compound. It will idle around 50*C and load around 65*C. Processors are fine until 70*C. 70 is where heat starts to become an issue and start to kill your PC.

It is definately recommended that you use thermal compound however. Without it, you are severely shortening the life of your processor. Personally, I woudn't run it without compound just because I want it to last longer.
 
It is definately recommended that you use thermal compound however. Without it, you are severely shortening the life of your processor. Personally, I woudn't run it without compound just because I want it to last longer.
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Hence the reason for my last post. Like I said - you'll be replacing it soon and boning up on proper installation procedures so you don't have to do it again :rolleyes:
 
I prefer ceramique to as5 myself, heck of alot easier to remove vs as5.
 
Isn't AS Ceramique more expensive though?

There is such a small difference in heat conductivity that I don't think it is worth the extra money. And, as long as you give the HSF a twist while taking it off, it will pop off without ripping the processor out of its socket.
 
Retsam said:
Uhhh no. Ceramique is the cheapest out of all of them....

Arctic Silver 5 - $5.99 with free shipping

Arctic Ceramique - $3.99 with free shipping

Arctic MX-1 - only 2grams given and costs $7.95 before shipping
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AS5 = 3.5 grams
AS Ceramiques = 2.5 grams

They would be the same quantity at 7 tubes of AS Ceramique and 5 tubes of AS5 917.5 grams). 7 tubes of AS Ceramique would be 29.95 and 5 tubes of AS5 would be 27.93.

I don't mean to make a big deal because for the about 25 cent difference between them quantity wise, it doesn't make a difference. I just thought that it was alot more expensive. I didn't realize how close they actually were.
 
Yes woopdido. A 2.5 gram tube still lasts forever. Thats like 50 cpu applications.
 
I understand what you are saying, I know, I just didn't realize that it was that small of a difference in price. I thought the Ceramique was really expensive. That was why I made a big deal before about more money for miniscule conductivity difference.
 
I use Ceramique on my s754 3000+ and 3200+ Venice chips. Good stuff - keeps things nice and cool.
 
BigMacAttack said:
I use Ceramique on my s754 3000+ and 3200+ Venice chips. Good stuff - keeps things nice and cool.
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At 1.68 Vcore you bet your ass it will! ;)
 
BigMacAttack said:
:p ROFL - it certainly better or I'm in a heap of trouble!
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1.68 VCore?! Wow... My 3700 is at 2.65 at 1.400 VCore. Runs Prime stable 24 hours. 1.68 seems huge.
 
DeadlyAura said:
1.68 VCore?! Wow... My 3700 is at 2.65 at 1.400 VCore. Runs Prime stable 24 hours. 1.68 seems huge.
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there is a HUGE diff between S939 and S754 :rolleyes:
 
i rum my XP @ the voltage in my sig ;) but its an XP and im sure that it puts out less heat
 
cesium666 said:
there is a HUGE diff between S939 and S754 :rolleyes:
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He's running a S753 Venice. Same 90nm core as the S939. Normal Vcore is 1.35-1.4 for either socket.
 
If you are using the stock cooler and it has the stock thermal pad, LEAVE IT and don't go scraping it off in favor of Arctic Silver or another compound. I believe AMD has been using Shin Etsu as the TIM on it's coolers for a couple of years now, and it actually works quite nicely... especially once it's cured up.
 
kumquat said:
Actually, the rice I eat is this big:
macbook-thermal-grease.jpg


;)
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what the hell is that computer, is it a wierd laptop or something, intresting lay out there is why I ask
 
bobstone said:
is it dual proc or is one of thoes the gpu ?
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It's a Macbook or Macbook Pro. The second chip is the chipset.

The image is from the Apple service manual and may help explain why many of them run ridiculously hot.
 
kumquat said:
It's a Macbook or Macbook Pro. The second chip is the chipset.

The image is from the Apple service manual and may help explain why many of them run ridiculously hot.
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its a MacBook.
 
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