Need A New CPU

[mactech]

My dad just got a intel E8500 and the scores for it are off the charts campared to AMD.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/phenom-x3-8750_6.html#sect0

Is there or will there be anything to compete with it by AMD?

 

[Dangman]

Is there or will there be anything to compete with it by AMD?

Nothing for the forseeable future. While yes some AMD CPUs do perform on par with and, in some cases, outperform Intel C2D derived CPUs in the same price range (Example: X2 5000+ and E2180), once you start overclocking, no AMD can OC as well as a C2D derived CPU.

And then Intel's new Nehalem CPUs are due out in September which outperforms current C2D CPUs by at least 15 to 20% according to the latest previews.

With that said, pay attention to AMD's new 45nm CPUs Shanghai and Deneb CPUs. They might be able to outperform current Intel C2Ds.

 

[flippin_waffles]

What's he runnin, a TI4600? Why is he gaming at 1024x768? I'd say he would have been better off upgrading the vid card myself.

 

[Valset]

My dad just got a intel E8500 and the scores for it are off the charts campared to AMD.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/phenom-x3-8750_6.html#sect0

Is there or will there be anything to compete with it by AMD?

you know that those test results do not look like that when you play the games at a normal resolutions ? for instance http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2320536,00.asp

now once you overclock the E8400 will be a hell of a lot faster. but the comparison that they do like that turning the game to make it CPU bound is meaningless in real world gaming. phenoms actually do really well in games if not much else. but if your overclocking the 8400 is the king of the hill right now.

 

[Zero82z]

you know that those test results do not look like that when you play the games at a normal resolutions ? for instance http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2320536,00.asp

now once you overclock the E8400 will be a hell of a lot faster. but the comparison that they do like that turning the game to make it CPU bound is meaningless in real world gaming. phenoms actually do really well in games if not much else. but if your overclocking the 8400 is the king of the hill right now.

The results in that review are way off. The E8400 (or E8500 in the OP's case) has much higher performance per clock than the Phenom, regardless of the number of cores. even at stock, an E8500 will outperform any Phenom when it comes to nearly all games, at both high and low resolutions.

 

[Valset]

The results in that review are way off. The E8400 (or E8500 in the OP's case) has much higher performance per clock than the Phenom, regardless of the number of cores. even at stock, an E8500 will outperform any Phenom when it comes to nearly all games, at both high and low resolutions.

very true for most things but games play very well on phenoms. look at the reviews that they do not intentionally CPU bound the game. having said that it takes twice as long to convert a dvd to dvix as my friends intel quad core.

 

[Nenu]

No nothing on the horizon can compete once overclocked.
At stock speeds the fastest Phenoms are not too shabby, they hardly clock though so arent a good investment for future needs.
Any new tech from AMD that can compete is likely to be on a new socket so for this generation, there is no contest.

 

[flippin_waffles]

Triple or quad core is a heck of alot better for future needs than dual core, no doubt about it. And the next socket that AMD will compete with, is existing AM2+ and AM3.

 

[harpoon]

No nothing on the horizon can compete once overclocked.
At stock speeds the fastest Phenoms are not too shabby, they hardly clock though so arent a good investment for future needs.
Any new tech from AMD that can compete is likely to be on a new socket so for this generation, there is no contest.

Actually, Phenoms are overclocking quite well with the latest SB750 mobos:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3360

They still run ridiculously hot though, especially overclocked, hopefully Deneb will put a (good) dampener on things.

To the OP, I guess nothing from AMDs dual core range (they're still selling antiquated X2s!) will come close to an E8500. A Phenom will handily beat an E8500 in multithreaded performance though.

 

[harpoon]

Triple or quad core is a heck of alot better for future needs than dual core, no doubt about it. And the next socket that AMD will compete with, is existing AM2+ and AM3.

Quads perhaps, but tri core is still a grey area IMO. Some software only spawns 2 or 4 threads, maybe they will be updated in future, but tri cores are sort of a niche / novelty in the grand scheme of things. I wonder if they will continue to exist once Deneb launches?

We also went over this in the E7200 vs X3 8450 thread, the E7200 is generally the better performer despite giving up a core, 2>3 Newegg ad anyone?

 

[ALL4AMD]

Actually, Phenoms are overclocking quite well with the latest SB750 mobos:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3360

They still run ridiculously hot though, especially overclocked, hopefully Deneb will put a (good) dampener on things.

To the OP, I guess nothing from AMDs dual core range (they're still selling antiquated X2s!) will come close to an E8500. A Phenom will handily beat an E8500 in multithreaded performance though.

we will see if the die shrink is good enough. remember a and b thoroughbred cores?

 

[harpoon]

we will see if the die shrink is good enough. remember a and b thoroughbred cores?

Yeah, I happened to own both. Had a TbredA 1700+ that did 1.9GHz, sold that and got a TbredB 2200+ that did 2.2GHz.

What does that have to do with Deneb though?

 

[Nenu]

Actually, Phenoms are overclocking quite well with the latest SB750 mobos:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3360

They still run ridiculously hot though, especially overclocked, hopefully Deneb will put a (good) dampener on things.

To the OP, I guess nothing from AMDs dual core range (they're still selling antiquated X2s!) will come close to an E8500. A Phenom will handily beat an E8500 in multithreaded performance though.

It looks like a lot of trouble and is hit and miss.
They report that the CPU used to achieve their results was a cream of the crop so the average result wont be as good.
It is an improvement but still a way to go to match Intel.
Watch out for the 740 series boards if you want to do crossfire, they are not PCI-E 2.0.

 

[ALL4AMD]

Yeah, I happened to own both. Had a TbredA 1700+ that did 1.9GHz, sold that and got a TbredB 2200+ that did 2.2GHz.

What does that have to do with Deneb though?

i thought u might figure it out but i guess i have to explain. tbred was a die shring from palomino. but the chip couldn't scale high and required a b version to correct the problem spawning the awesome overclocking 1700 and 2100. fingers crossed

 

[harpoon]

i thought u might figure it out but i guess i have to explain. tbred was a die shring from palomino. but the chip couldn't scale high and required a b version to correct the problem spawning the awesome overclocking 1700 and 2100. fingers crossed

Well, the only similarities I see is that Deneb will have a 'B' revision in 2009 that incorporates high-k, the initial ones will be low-k.

So we may very well see a situation where Deneb 'B' clocks higher than Deneb 'A', though the optimizations are a lot different from what happened between TbredA and TbredB.