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So I am wanting to build an HTPC for my living room. However, I do not know what kind of budget I need to aim for. Some key information that my be important.

1. I do not subscribe to digital cable through my cable company. Therefore analog tv tuners will work just fine, I happen to have two of them. One is in my main PC at the moment and I usually watch TV while I do other things on the computer.

2. It's an old tube style TV, not an LCD of any kind. No HDTV. I believe it has two (might be a third, but I think its one in the front and one in the back) A/V input locations and coax cable.

3. I will have to connect the HTPC to the TV, as mentioned above; either through a coax cable or A/V.

4. Quiet is a must. I want a fan less system.

5. I want the ability to be able to MOVE into a HD LCD/LED/Plasma type TV in the future, just not anytime soon. I really don't watch TV much anyway.

6. Even though I can't make use of it, I'd like it to have bluray capabilities. If not, then defiantly a DVD drive.

7. As mentioned in number 1. I have two TV tuner cards, I'd like to be able to use both of them in the same system so I can record a show, while I watch another show.

8. I already have a remote control. It works with Windows Media Center on my Win7 Professional computer. I'll be using that as well.

Basically I will be needing a motherboard that can handle at least two PCI devices, a CPU that can handle what I am throwing at it above and in the future being able to handle HDTV content as well. Ideally, I'd like to be able to upgrade the CPU in a year or two should I need to. I also need a video card that is capable of outputting through A/V and/or coax cable. I'd like to have HDMI in it as well, for future upgrades to the TV. Case size isn't THAT important as I can easily hide it somewhere; but I want room for up to 4 hard drives, 1 optical drive, fanless CPU heatsink, fanless GPU.

What kind of money should I set aside to build such a system?
 
2. It's an old tube style TV, not an LCD of any kind. No HDTV. I believe it has two (might be a third, but I think its one in the front and one in the back) A/V input locations and coax cable.
Does the TV have Composite or Component? Any S-Video? Not many new cards support Composite or component or coax.

4. Quiet is a must. I want a fan less system.
That's gonna up the price significantly. And you'll still need one fan or two.

6. Even though I can't make use of it, I'd like it to have bluray capabilities. If not, then defiantly a DVD drive.
What exactly do you mean by "blu-ray capabilities"? You mean an actual blu-ray drive or the capability to add a blu-ray drive and playback blu-ray?

What kind of money should I set aside to build such a system?
Anywhere from $450 to $800.
 
What will your HTPC ultimately do, either immediately or several years from now? If you just want to be able to watch tv, record tv, watch tv shows over the Internet, web browse, and other non intensive activities then an AMD Zacate based system may perfectly meet your needs. However, you can't upgrade the CPU should you want to do more intensive activities. For a Zacate based setup you are looking at spending around $400 for the motherboard, memory, power supply, hard drives, and case.

You will need some sort of DVI to Component adapter to get video to your older tv. I don't know how well these work (if at all), but hopefully someone with experience using one can chime in.
 
What will your HTPC ultimately do, either immediately or several years from now? If you just want to be able to watch tv, record tv, watch tv shows over the Internet, web browse, and other non intensive activities then an AMD Zacate based system may perfectly meet your needs. However, you can't upgrade the CPU should you want to do more intensive activities. For a Zacate based setup you are looking at spending around $400 for the motherboard, memory, power supply, hard drives, and case.

You will need some sort of DVI to Component adapter to get video to your older tv. I don't know how well these work (if at all), but hopefully someone with experience using one can chime in.


I second the Zacate suggestion. It doesn't quite fit all of your requirements, but it comes close enough that I don't think you can beat it for the price. Specifically, I don't know if they support 2 PCI slots and they aren't really upgradeable, thus reducing the "futureproofing" aspect. On the plus side - They have more than enough power for your current needs, they are quiet and small to start with, and there are fanless options. HD playback appears to be hit or miss currently, but it's still new so the kinks are still being worked out. I don't own one, but from everything I've read, a 1080P MKV will play just fine, but some people have had issues with things like HD Netflix streaming. It has HDMI output, but no AV output. Shouldn't be a big deal for you since I don't know of any modern video card that has AV output anyway. It's been mentioned already, but yeah, you will need an adapter/converter (Possibly more than 1 at that) to get AV output. I'm sure the quality will be questionable, but you probably won't be able to notice on an CRT anyway. As for the 2 PCI slots, if you can't find one, my suggestion is to just pickup a new tuner. Preferably, a PCIE version since PCI slots are slowly going the way of the dinosaur. You can get a dual SD tuner, for around $50 I believe, if you go a little higher, you can get one that supports OTA HD as well. With the money you save by going the Zacate route, it shouldn't be hard to throw this in as an "upgrade";) while still staying in the lower half of your budget. Basically, a Zacate system will fulfill all of your current needs. It's not very futureproof, but IMO, this shouldn't be an issue for you. I'd say in general, the HTPC is always going to be the least futureproof part of any setup. I mean, most people don't buy a new TV until they have to replace a broken one. Over the past 5 years, I've done 3 major upgrades to my main HTPC, vs. buying 2 TV's. Of course, the only reason I bought the second one was because the first one unexpectedly died. If your not even planning on buying a HDTV yet, chances are by time you do, your HTPC needs and what's available will have dramatically changed. My suggestion is to stick to the low end of your budget and save your money for later on.
 
Does the TV have Composite or Component? Any S-Video? Not many new cards support Composite or component or coax.

It does have S-video and composite.

That's gonna up the price significantly. And you'll still need one fan or two.

Well as long as it's super quiet 120mm fans, just don't want to hear it while I'm watching TV.

What exactly do you mean by "blu-ray capabilities"? You mean an actual blu-ray drive or the capability to add a blu-ray drive and playback blu-ray?

I mean just having a bluray drive. My bad. :D Even though the TV wont make use of the high definition that bluray does, no point in me still buying DVDs when BR is the way to go now.

Anywhere from $450 to $800.

Not too bad then.

What will your HTPC ultimately do, either immediately or several years from now? If you just want to be able to watch tv, record tv, watch tv shows over the Internet, web browse, and other non intensive activities then an AMD Zacate based system may perfectly meet your needs. However, you can't upgrade the CPU should you want to do more intensive activities. For a Zacate based setup you are looking at spending around $400 for the motherboard, memory, power supply, hard drives, and case.

You will need some sort of DVI to Component adapter to get video to your older tv. I don't know how well these work (if at all), but hopefully someone with experience using one can chime in.

Immediately, I want to be able to watch cable tv, record cable tv, watch bluray/dvd movies on my dated TV with composite/s-video hookups. Later I want to be able to do the same, but on a TV w/ high definition and HDMI.

Another benefit that I'd like to be able to do is be able to watch "TV" from any computer connected to my network, but I'm pretty sure that's going to be a software setup as long as I get the box connected to my network which shouldn't be too difficult.
 
$61 - AMD Athlon II X2 250 CPU
$63 - ASRock 880GM-LE AM3 AMD 880G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
$41 - G.Skill Ripjaw Series F3-10666CL9S-4GBRL 4GB DDR3 1333 RAM
$45 - XFX HD-455X-YAF2 Radeon HD 4550 512MB PCI-E Video Card
$65 - Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$60 - LG Black UH10LS20 Blu-ray DVD Reader
$45 - Antec Earthwatts Green EA-430D 430W PSU
$120 - Silverstone GD05B mATX HTPC Case
$13 - HIS DVI to HDMI Adapter
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Total: $500 shipped

A few notes:
- That HD 4550 card was the cheapest card I could find that still had S-Video on it. It'll good enough for HD content but there's a slight possibility that you may not get super high-quality Blu-ray playback.

- If you do go with the above HD 4550 card, then buy the HDMI adapter linked above as there's a chance it may be out of stock by the time you actually get a HDTV.
 
So I am wanting to build an HTPC for my living room. However, I do not know what kind of budget I need to aim for. Some key information that my be important.

1. I do not subscribe to digital cable through my cable company. Therefore analog tv tuners will work just fine, I happen to have two of them. One is in my main PC at the moment and I usually watch TV while I do other things on the computer.

2. It's an old tube style TV, not an LCD of any kind. No HDTV. I believe it has two (might be a third, but I think its one in the front and one in the back) A/V input locations and coax cable.

3. I will have to connect the HTPC to the TV, as mentioned above; either through a coax cable or A/V.

4. Quiet is a must. I want a fan less system.

5. I want the ability to be able to MOVE into a HD LCD/LED/Plasma type TV in the future, just not anytime soon. I really don't watch TV much anyway.

6. Even though I can't make use of it, I'd like it to have bluray capabilities. If not, then defiantly a DVD drive.

7. As mentioned in number 1. I have two TV tuner cards, I'd like to be able to use both of them in the same system so I can record a show, while I watch another show.

8. I already have a remote control. It works with Windows Media Center on my Win7 Professional computer. I'll be using that as well.

Basically I will be needing a motherboard that can handle at least two PCI devices, a CPU that can handle what I am throwing at it above and in the future being able to handle HDTV content as well. Ideally, I'd like to be able to upgrade the CPU in a year or two should I need to. I also need a video card that is capable of outputting through A/V and/or coax cable. I'd like to have HDMI in it as well, for future upgrades to the TV. Case size isn't THAT important as I can easily hide it somewhere; but I want room for up to 4 hard drives, 1 optical drive, fanless CPU heatsink, fanless GPU.

What kind of money should I set aside to build such a system?

Are you in Canada? How are you getting Analog TV still?
You have an old Tube style TV or a CRT? wtf man if you have an old tube style TV, time to get a new TV before you build an HTPC :p

Another benefit that I'd like to be able to do is be able to watch "TV" from any computer connected to my network, but I'm pretty sure that's going to be a software setup as long as I get the box connected to my network which shouldn't be too difficult.
Sage-TV or media portal support client / server TV setups/
 
In 2 years you might not be able to upgrade your motherboard/cpu. In 2 years your memory will most likely not be compatible with the new motherboards.

From a reply above: I have an Athlon X2 and an Antek earthwatts power supply in my HTPC. They seem up to the task.

You should be able to get a motherboard, cpu, and memory for $200 or so. Enough to do the task. Buy what strikes your fancy and makes you happy.
 
$61 - AMD Athlon II X2 250 CPU
$63 - ASRock 880GM-LE AM3 AMD 880G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
$41 - G.Skill Ripjaw Series F3-10666CL9S-4GBRL 4GB DDR3 1333 RAM
$45 - XFX HD-455X-YAF2 Radeon HD 4550 512MB PCI-E Video Card
$65 - Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$60 - LG Black UH10LS20 Blu-ray DVD Reader
$45 - Antec Earthwatts Green EA-430D 430W PSU
$120 - Silverstone GD05B mATX HTPC Case
$13 - HIS DVI to HDMI Adapter
---
Total: $500 shipped

A few notes:
- That HD 4550 card was the cheapest card I could find that still had S-Video on it. It'll good enough for HD content but there's a slight possibility that you may not get super high-quality Blu-ray playback.

- If you do go with the above HD 4550 card, then buy the HDMI adapter linked above as there's a chance it may be out of stock by the time you actually get a HDTV.

Thanks Danny, $500 really isn't as much as I was expecting. I might be able to get this sooner, rather than later. :D

Are you in Canada? How are you getting Analog TV still?
You have an old Tube style TV or a CRT? wtf man if you have an old tube style TV, time to get a new TV before you build an HTPC :p


Sage-TV or media portal support client / server TV setups/

Well maybe it is digital, but I do not own any sort of box. The cable goes straight from the wall to my TV. Likewise, the cable also goes straight from another wall in another room to my computer with analog tv tuners.

One thing I do LOVE about MCE is the fact that it downloads a TV Guide for my Cable Co. so I can browse the "TV Guide" to see what's on TV. Something I wasn't able to go before unless I went to the "Preview Channel" and waited for it to scroll all the way through all the channels.
 
2. It's an old tube style TV, not an LCD of any kind. No HDTV. I believe it has two (might be a third, but I think its one in the front and one in the back) A/V input locations and coax cable.

3. I will have to connect the HTPC to the TV, as mentioned above; either through a coax cable or A/V.

What kind of money should I set aside to build such a system?
STOP, NOW!

I wouldn't even bother, an HTPC is totally wasted on an old style TV like that. Component video inputs was always a requirement for an HTPC. I know, I've tried back before I upgraded my TV to an HDMI equipped HDTV.

If you try to use analog, like you are now, then Svideo is the only way you will have any kind of decent results and even then it wasn't good enough, in my experience at least, to be usable.

But, if you decide to continue with this, I would suggest getting something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157228
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130567

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103920
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157199

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157237

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150354
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150393

But you NEED one of those video cards to work with your TV. Even then, you still need to get an svideo to composite cable (which is easier). Then, when you finally get tired of seeing how lame your TV is made because of the HTPC, all you need to do is upgrade the video card to something current and with HDMI.
 
Personally i'd recommend that money be set aside for a TV first, an HTPC will be wasted on such an old TV with piss poor video quality and rca video inputs. Also: PC/video card results on standard definition inputs are abysmal <-- this alone should make you think twice.

There are tons of TV deals to be had, heck there are 50" 720P name brand plasmas on sale for $500-$550 quite often. The 50" 720P Samsung plasmas are particularly nice and get great professional reviews, LG makes a good 720P plasma as well.
 
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I think he's trying to say that your $800 would be better spent on a new HD tv then on a HTPC to go with your old analog set.

When I get ready to buy a new TV, I'm gonna need a new entertainment center as well. All I really want to be able to do right now is to be able to record Live TV. This way, when Football season starts back up I can record the game(s) that otherwise I'd miss. Among other things I'd like to record that I might not be able to watch.

Personally i'd recommend that money be set aside for a TV first, an HTPC will be wasted on such an old TV with piss poor video quality and rca video inputs. Also: PC/video card results on standard definition inputs are abysmal <-- this alone should make you think twice.

There are tons of TV deals to be had, heck there are 50" 720P name brand plasmas on sale for $500-$550 quite often. The 50" 720P Samsung plasmas are particularly nice and get great professional reviews, LG makes a good 720P plasma as well.

Piss poor video quality? I wont notice a difference watching TV through the s-Video port vs watching it directly from the coax cable? If not, then I do not see a real problem with basically building a DVR that I can later use with a better TV.

When I get ready to buy a new TV, it will not be anything less than 1080P. Likewise, it will also be the latest/greatest technology out at the time.
 
When I get ready to buy a new TV, I'm gonna need a new entertainment center as well. All I really want to be able to do right now is to be able to record Live TV. This way, when Football season starts back up I can record the game(s) that otherwise I'd miss. Among other things I'd like to record that I might not be able to watch.



Piss poor video quality? I wont notice a difference watching TV through the s-Video port vs watching it directly from the coax cable?
Coming from an htpc, those low quality inputs/outputs will give it that piss poor quality (i probably should have clarified that better since i have no idea what your TV's video quality is). I have done it before with tube TV's, with various graphics and drivers, and the quality was rarely better than "acceptable" via s-video.

BUT, if you truly have a necessity and use for it (DVR etc etc) and are aware of potential pitfalls (output quality), then build away.

Wait till you output your htpc to your new modern hdtv though, it'll make you smile ;).

Good luck either way.
 
I just don't see the picture getting any worse than what the TV can already display. That's all I'm asking.
 
Because you haven't done it yet. Most of us old timers have.

Well I have tried to use a tv with svideo to navigate a computer with and it was terrible...

Didn't answer my question though. Will the picture that I normally see through plugging the coax directly to the tv look worse when the coax is plugged into a pc, then the tv with svideo?
 
Will the picture that I normally see through plugging the coax directly to the tv look worse when the coax is plugged into a pc, then the tv with svideo?
Yes it will look worse, unless you luck upon the right hardware, drivers, software and corresponding tweaks then maybe you'll come close.

How much worse? It all depends on the variables i listed above, a person's tolerance and perception may come into play also (some people may not notice a big difference, or care if they did)
 
I have to agree with most of the other people.

Don't build a HTPC until you get a new TV. At the very least a cheap 300 dollar 32 inch 720p TV.

Build the HTPC for 500, buy a cheap 32 inch HD TV for 300 bucks. Your cost is now 800. But at least you will be able to do most things and look decent.

It's really a waste and could very well be unwatchable without a modern HD TV.

These old televisions will not look good at all and YES could very well look worse then your current TV setup.

*Note these prices are estimated US prices not canada prices :(
 
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