Need a $2000 Gaming/Video Editing Computer

Timdog

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Hello all, long time since I've been on [H]ardforums. I am finally upgrading my 4 year old desktop computer and would like some advice on what to get.

Just for reference, this is my current system:
AMD 2500+ M
MSI Nforce2 Mobo (forget the model after all these years)
1.5 GB PC3200 Corsair RAM
Geforce 6800 Ultra 256mb
Sound Blaster Audigy
250GB 7200RPM 8mb buffer Hitachi HD
Windows XP Media Center 2005

It's been a fairly solid machine, but it has definitely reached the end of its useful life for me. New games destroy it and I seem to fall further and further behind. So it's time to build a new PC. My budget is around $2000, I could go up to $2200 if needed.

What I'll be using this computer for:
GAMING (older games like CS:S and newer ones)
Video editing (encoding, working with large files, etc.)
Other misc stuff like browsing and etc.
I am going to be getting a laptop to handle all of my other stuff like Word/powerpoint/excel/whatever else I need for school. This will be a cheaper, but very portable laptop that I'll be getting at the end of the summer before I have to go back to school.

I also am going to most likely need a monitor to go along with this system as I have a very old LCD with a 16ms response time so I could use an upgrade. I can go with prebuilt or build it myself, but I might lean towards the prebuilt because I can get some nice student discounts on these (12% with dell, more or less with other companies). I can of course also build myself, but I would need everything, Case, PSU, LCD, cooling system, etc.

Note: I also would like to keep the computer as small as possible. I'll be living in dorms during school and would like to have this computer take up as little room as possible. A Shuttle or similar sized system would be great, but I think I could get away with a mid-sized ATX tower also since that would most likely let me get better components.
 
See my sig as a starter.
With your budget you can get a 24" LCD, 2x 8800GT or higher, SLI Intel-based mobo, quad core (Q9x00 series).

Your requirements though are in conflict. To have an ultimate gaming system, you inherently need a good-sized box with lots of power.Maybe you should go mid-ranged and get something built around a 9600GT video card. Or go single slot. 8800gt is fine and plays EVERYTHING i throw at it. But again, with something like shuttle, heat will be a big problem in a small case.
 
I can go with the mid-tower ATX if it will allow me to get a SLI setup. I don't know if there will still be cooling issues though.
 
How does this system look? Anything I should change?
https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.asp?ID=9351208

Read the sticky, not sure if I linked correctly, but here is my wish list:
LIAN LI PC-7B plus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail - $80


EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail -$240
2x
PNY XLR8 VCG98GTXXPB GeForce 9800 GTX(G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
-$590
PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W EPS12V Power Supply - Retail
-$150
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 Yorkfield 2.5GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80580Q9300 - Retail
-$275
CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 - Retail
- $85
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
-$100
ASUS MK241H Black 24" 2ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor with 1.3M Pixel Webcam 450 cd/m2 DC 3000:1 Built in Speakers - Retail
-$540


Thermaltake CL-P0372 92mm Enter CPU Cooler - Retail
-$26

I'm not sure whether I should go with quad core or just get a faster dual core CPU. I'm pretty sure my video editing software (Sony Vegas) supports quad core CPUs so it would definately help out with that, but I'm sure with a faster dual CPU it would run very fast and my games would also run faster. Not really sure on that.

I also want this machine to be fairly quiet since I will be living with someone else. It doesn't need to be silent, but I don't want a jet engine (the CPU cooler pushes a decent amount of air for 16dBa).
 
It really would come down to what programs you intend to use for your encoding and if they are quad aware or not. I would lean towards a faster dual core, and more memory to be honest. And more HDD space, or maybe faster drives. Drive access times and space are usually at a premium for Video work. I would consider a large RADI setup myself. With the fastest disks I could find inmy budget. You may want to ask some of the more knowledgeable guys here but if your going to go with 4gb of mem, you may be better off with two 2gb kits over one 4gb kit performance wise at least. To me the biggest "need" in that build though is the HD scenario. At the least double it if you plan any HD work, and consider a RAID setup..and try not to use the onboard controller either as it will cost you CPU cycles. YMMV.
 
I'm a gamer first and a video editor second (it's just a hobby), so I think I'll be going with the E8500 3.16 Core2Duo CPU for $275, same price as my Quad Core. It also seems like the Core2Duos are nice overclockers, which I plan to do a bit of, though not that much.

As for HD, I might try dropping the CPU speed down to 3.0GHZ so I can afford a Raptor 10k Raid 0 array perhaps?

I'm a little confused now, I checked out the Raptors on Newegg and they only had a 1.5GB/s transfer rate while most 7200RPM drives had a 3.0GB/s transfer rate? Is that incorrect info or is there something else I'm missing?
 
Drop the E8500. It is overpriced compared to the E8400. The E8500 has a 9.5 multiplier and the E8400 has a 9x multiplier. Does that extra .5 multiplier warrant the extra $90 over the E8400 to you?

Don't bother with the current crop of Raptor drives. This drive actually performs on par with the current 150GB Raptors yet has significantly more storage:
Western Digital WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $115

When the Raptors were first released, it was shown that there were no performance difference between the two SATA versions. So WD went with the cheaper SATA 150. Howrever that's changed a bit since there are some cases where a SATA 3.0Gbps drive is faster than SATA 150.

As for fairly quiet HSF, I recommend these:
Scythe SCNJ-1100P Ninja HSF - $36
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle HSF - $37
Thermalright Ultima-90 HSF - $46 & Panaflo FBA09A12M 92mm Fan - $3
Noctua NH-U12P HSF - $60
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme HSF - $57 & Scythe S-Flex SFF21E 120MM Case Fan - $14
 
Danny has some great points. With the OC power the C2D's have, you can drop a tick in price and get the difference for free with a nice stable OC. I'd do some research and find out what one gives the beats bang for the buck when you turn up the wick as it were. I really like the new Caviar Drives from WD. Great drive that is fast and runs very cool. Not sure if you need the 0 Raid array or not, really depends on how much you plan to do. If worse comes to worse get a pile of 3.0GB SATA drives, and throw it in a JBOD. You'll easily use as much storage space as you can get if you do enough editing. And hey, HD space is cheap really. Can never have to much.
 
Bump, I'd really like to order this today if possible. ;) But I need to figure out if anything isn't going to work together (mostly concerned about space since I'm doing a SLI setup in a pretty small case).
 
Looks like a good build to me. Not sure if you need the SLI, but hey go for it I say. Lots of people like to talk it down, but I for one can't wait to get my second card. Good luck with your build, I think you'll find the C2D will make a really nice setup.
 
Well, going from a single core, 166FSB 1.8GHZ CPU to a 3.0GHZ dual core CPU is gonna be quite a jump. 1GB-4GB Ram will also be quite the jump. From reviews, it seems that dual SLI is fairly beneficial (but anything beyond that doesn't help much), and since it's in my budget, I figure I might as well get it. I'm really excited because this is the first time I've order new parts since 2004. :D
 
You build looks fine as-is, but I have a few last-minute suggestions....

You don't really need SLI with that monitor. Yeah, you'll see a benefit at the monitor's native resolution (1920x1200), but most people are satisfied by using only one high-end card. Get a P35 motherboard instead:

Danny Bui said:
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L Intel P35 Motherboard - $90
MSI P35 Neo2-FR Intel P35 Motherboard - $110
DFI BloodIron P35-T2RL Intel P35 Motherboard - $110
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R Intel P35 Motherboard - $120
DFI LanParty DK P35-T2RS Intel P35 Motherboard - $130
Asus P5K-E Intel P35 Motherboard - $140
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3P Intel P35 Motherboard - $150
Asus P5K-E/Wifi-AP Intel P35 Motherboard - $150
Abit IP35 Pro Intel P35 Motherboard - $170
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS4 Intel P35 Motherboard - $170

Just to help you out: If you don't need RAID, more than 4 SATA ports and only need semi-decent overclocking, check out the DS3L. If you need 5 SATA ports, 2 eSATA ports, slightly better overclocking, and a second PCI-E x16 port, then get the Neo2-Fr. If you want heavy overclocking options and six SATA ports, check out the Blood Iron. If you like the BloodIron but want significantly better overclock stability and options, go for the LanParty. If you want 8 SATA ports, RAID, legacy ports and high overclocks and optional eSATA, than the DS3R is a good choice. If you want the DS3R but need Firewire and a second PCI-E x16 port, then go for the DS3P. If you like the DS3P but need 3 PCI slots instead of the DS3P's 2 PCI slots and like having non-optional eSATA, go for the Asus P5K-E. If you like the P5K-E but need wifi, then go for the P5K-E/Wifi-AP. If you want something that can overclock pretty damn high along with RAID, eSATA ports and firewire connections, than the IP35 Pro. If you like the DS3P but want better cooling for overclocking, then go for the DS4. Do note that the Asus website can be slow sometimes.

With the 24" monitor you have, one 9800GTX is good enough. Only Supreme Commander and Crysis would give it problems, but that's only if you play those games at high/max settings. (Crysis gives even high-end setups grief, so no worries there.) If you want/need to save any more money, the (G92) 8800GTS performs about as well as one 9800GTX.

Get the TX750 for less somewhere else -- like Buy.com or Provantage.

There's no difference performance-wise between CL4 and CL5 RAM, so don't pay extra for lower latency. The G.Skill DDR2 800 kit would work just as well, though you may want to go with the DDR2 1000 kit if you plan on overclocking the E8400.

Speaking of which, here is a better CPU cooler for you: The Xigmatek HD-S1283. If you're concerned about clearance, the HDT-S963 is a better choice than the Thermaltake CPU cooler you chose.

If you don't need the BitLocker Drive Encryption or the Vista Business features, then go with Vista Home Premium instead.
 
I am considering the SLI setup because I would like this computer to last for around 2 years before I need to make any MAJOR upgrades. I'm fine with medium settings in the games of the next 2 years, but I feel that if I get the SLI setup, I can play with high settings for a longer time. Unless, of course, I could just upgrade to a better single-slot solution in the future with the saved money I have with the single 9800 GTX?

I like your cooler recommendations and I think I'll go with the smaller one. I want to overclock this a little bit, but nothing hardcore, and I want this thing to be rock-solid stable since it will be used as a video editing machine (I've had the nightmare of most video editors, working on some stuff for a few hours and then your machine hard locks on you and you lose EVERYTHING if you forgot to save periodically). Plus I just like having a really stable system anyway.


EDIT: After some more research, I've found out that the Nvidia-based chipsets for Mobos aren't that stable when compared to the intel based ones. Since I want as stable a system as I can get, I think I'll just go with a single 9800 GTX and the DFI mobo mentioned above. This also lets me reduce my PSU needs as I don't really need as much power and has enabled me to fit a modular PSU into my budget while also decreasing the total price to $1548:
LIAN LI PC-7B plus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
-$80
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
-$115
Acer P243WAid Black-Silver 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor with HDCP Support - Retail
-$390
BFG Tech BFGE98512GTXE GeForce 9800 GTX(G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
-$290
KINGWIN ABT-600MA1S 600W ATX 12V Ver.2.2 Power Supply - Retail
-$115
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
-$85
DFI LANPARTY DK P35-T2RS LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
-$130
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
-$195
Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
-$95
2x Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Case Fan - Retail
-$28
XIGMATEK HDT-S963 92mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
-$25
 
You'd be much better served waiting until mid June at this point -- ATI and Nvidia should be releasing new hardware that would be within your price range.

Also, ditch the Kingwin PSU -- it is likely trash.
 
You'd be much better served waiting until mid June at this point -- ATI and Nvidia should be releasing new hardware that would be within your price range.

Also, ditch the Kingwin PSU -- it is likely trash.

I can't really wait, my main desktop is dead and I need a new one ASAP so I can get to some gaming. Plus, with this new machine, I'm probably going to double or triple the performance of my old machine so I doubt that waiting for new hardware in a few months will really be worth it.

The Kingwin got good reviews. :confused:
 
Good reviews where? Newegg? Newegg users as a rule know /nothing/. HardOCP, JonnyGURU, and a few others... there aren't many sites out there that properly test PSUs.

Stick with Corsair, Seasonic, PC Power & Cooling, Silverstone, Etasis, Enermax (Galaxy line only), Thermaltake (Toughpower line only), Coolermaster (Real Power Pro line only), Zipply, Antec (True Power Trio and Earthwatts line only -- not as good as the others).

If you can't wait, buy a weaker hold-over card (or an eVGA card, so you can use the Step Up program) and sell it when the new stuff comes out if it's actually that much faster than current hardware.
 
BFG now has a 100-day step-up program as well. If you're really concerned about getting the best graphics card around, save some money and get the 8800GTS from BFG or EVGA. It performs almost as well as the 9800GTX for less, plus (provided you register the card as soon as you receive it) you'll have the step-up policy to take advantage of.

The Corsair TX750 at its current price can't be beat. Yes, it's more power than you possibly ever need, but a quality 500W-650W (non-modular) power supply costs around $70-$90, so you're not really paying too much more for the TX750. (Its normal retail price is between $150-$180.) Buy.com also has free shipping, which makes the deal even sweeter.

If you really want a modular PSU, go with the Seasonic M12 600W, the Corsair HX620, or the Thermaltake Toughpower 700W. Yes, they're a bit more than the Corsair TX750, but all of them are modular, they all support SLI (should you go down that route in the future), and they're all 80 Plus certified (the new energy efficiency standard).

If you want good hardware reviews, check out the list of hardware sites found in the GenHard FAQ. But as s-c mentioned, the [H], anandtech, and JonnyGURU are the first places you should go for PSU reviews.
 
I think I'll take advantage of the stepup program from BFG, thanks for the advice!

Final (hopefully) system:
LIAN LI PC-7B plus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
-$80
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
-$115
Acer P243WAid Black-Silver 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor with HDCP Support - Retail
-$390
BFG Tech BFGE88512GTSE GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
-$255
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply - Retail
-$130
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
-$85
DFI LANPARTY DK P35-T2RS LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
-$130
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
-$195
Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
-$95
2x Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Case Fan - Retail
-$28
XIGMATEK HDT-S963 92mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
-$25

With shipping, comes out to $1583.

Any other suggestions or compatibility issues?
 
I would never buy a BFG card. I do not like their warranty policies -- XFX and eVGA will warranty your card if you replace the stock cooling, BFG will not... and they tend to be more expensive for the exact same hardware. If none of that matters to you, that's one thing, but just giving the heads up.
 
Switched to the stock 8800GTS 640MB card. Anything else that might be problematic?
 
Switched to the stock 8800GTS 640MB card. Anything else that might be problematic?

The 8800 GTS 640MB is considerably slower than the 8800 GTS 512MB -- G80 based with 96 SPs vs. G92 based (less power draw, mostly) with 128 SPs.
 
Yah, don't get the 640MB version, get the 512MB version of the 8800GTS.
 
Why are you getting the TX750 for $130 when you could buy it for under $100 elsewhere?
 
All I have to say is go with either EVGA or BFG on the video cards for their step up program. With the GT200 coming out with in the next month, its worth it. You'll be able to trade in your cards, spend a couple hundred, and get a nice performance boost.
 
I'm only using Newegg for right now, I'll end up shopping around for deals later, but this gives me a rough idea.

Thanks for the advice on the 640mb vs. 512mb versions. Will make sure to switch it out. Other than that, I think I'm set to go.

EDIT: decided to end up with the EVGA 9800GTX for only a little more than the 8800GTS. I'm happy with the system, especially when the 9800GTX scores in 3dmark06 @ 1920x1200 what my 6800 ultra scores in 3dmark03 @1024x768. Going to be quite the jump.
 
Well, I finally got everything together today (the case of course had to come a day later than everything else). This thing is so much better than I even imagined. I installed Vista Home Premium and it's smooth as hell. My 3dmark03 score quadrupled from my old system, and I was actually able to finish 3dmark06 for the first time ever (scored 12,628). I'm really happy with the cooling too, idle and load temps are very low and this thing is very quiet. The 24 in monitor is kick ass too, gaming at 1900x1200 is so different from 1280x1024 with my old 17 in LCD. I highly recommend this monitor to anyone as it's not that expensive, it's built well (it does seem to run a little hot, I can feel the heat if I put my hand behind the monitor), and it's realllly bright.
 
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