Need 2end view on system layout

[WolfsBane]

Im going to be working on a new gaming rig when i get my paycheck.. or well do that Buy now pay later thing.. anyways what im working on is not extream or high end.. just something a person can upgrade down the years and last em a few years and atlest play some of the newer games aswell as future games down the road.. my budget is 600 cant really go over that.. me and a friend were looking over parts and this is what we came up with..
Please tell me what you think..


PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371015

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131331

Ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211188

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103254
OR
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103272

OS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116485

HDD : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ

 

[engiNURD]

Contrary to popular belief, we don't memorize the part names for each newegg item number. Please list out part names with those links so we don't have to click on all of them. Also, there's a sticky with some questions for build reviews. You've answered some of those questions, but not all. Please edit your original post with the questions and your answers, along with the part names. Thanks.

 

[tiraides]

In addition to meeting enginurd's requests, and answering Danny Bui's questions, please answer the following:

- Which games/programs are you going to use?
- How old are the parts that you're reusing?
- How long are you planning to keep this build for? Are you going to be making any incremental upgrades during that time?

 

[ivandurago]

I picked up on [H]s f/s board a:
Asus Rampage Formula - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131284
Q9450 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115042
8gbs DDR2 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231145 x 2
for ~$490 shipped
and am getting a HD470 for $225 AR, so all that was only ~$715.


So for ~$600 you can really stretch your investment and pick up some nice gear on the F/S boards;
Look for a p5q mobo ~$100, q6600 ~$140, 4gb DDR2 ~$40, HD4870 512 ~$170, Vista 32 ~$80, Corsair 750w ~$75.

Just make a WTB post, and enjoy a full inbox

 

[tiraides]

A couple of caveats about buying used parts (especially from here):

- You may not get everything that you want -- especially if you're looking for a particular item at a specific price.
- It's very time consuming; with a few exceptions, it can take weeks to find everything that you want.
- If you have any problem with any component, you have to (oftentimes) work with the original owner for a fix. Most warranties are limited to the person who originally purchased the item, and they're often non-transferable.

And don't rely on the after-rebate prices when looking for items, as you will have to pay the before-rebate prices at checkout. With some of the companies that handle mail-in rebates filing for bankruptcy recently, there's a pretty good chance that you may not even receive your rebate check.

 

[WolfsBane]

Thank you all for help but i guess ill go on this alone .... Please lock thread.. and i dont plan on buying any used parts.. the last time i did, the guy jacked my cash and kepted the item so yeah.. no offence im sure many on here are trustworthy sellers on hardware but ever since then.. i dont do used hardware...anyways yeah please lock..

 

[engiNURD]

Thank you all for help but i guess ill go on this alone ....

Sorry if you felt we weren't trying to help, but we actually were.

For anyone else reading who may be shy/scurred/reluctant about posting your own build thread: This is an example of what not to do.

If you want help, please help us help you. We like helping, we just need a bit more info sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwPo5QfGbOA

 

[matrix563]

q9450 is a great deal

 

[WolfsBane]

the things above arnt just numbers there links to the parts i want to get, i was asking if the parts were good for a gaming rig, i plan on using those parts for a long time as in upgrading down the road, i did not want to build something severly extream.. No one read what i wrote and the links i put up there wernt just rantings they were real links that could easly be clicked on..

im not using any old parts, since i dont even own any that would work on a moderen PC
i already have a case so i just need feedback on those parts..

 

[WolfsBane]

Antec EA650 650W ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply -
A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32-bit English 1pk for System Builders DSP OEI DVD - OEM
ASUS M3A78-T AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

For some reasson the page with the HDD wont work so yeah heres the parts im looking at ....

AMD Phenom 8450 Toliman 2.1GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Triple-Core Processor - Retail
or
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.1GHz 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

 

[engiNURD]

Antec EA650 650W ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply -
A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32-bit English 1pk for System Builders DSP OEI DVD - OEM
ASUS M3A78-T AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

For some reasson the page with the HDD wont work so yeah heres the parts im looking at ....

AMD Phenom 8450 Toliman 2.1GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Triple-Core Processor - Retail
or
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.1GHz 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

See, that wasn't so hard, was it? And if you listed the part name of the HDD instead of a link, we would know what it is instead of a dead link.

The EA650W for $60 is a great deal. The A-Data 4GB kit is also good, I have several in use right now. However, you chose Vista 32-bit, so you won't be able to access all 4GB of that RAM. In order to access all 4GB, you're best choice would be Vista 64-bit.

The most important decision of a gaming rig is the videocard, yet you didn't list one. You didn't even mention what monitor you were using. This is important because the more pixels you have to push, the better the GPU needs to be. You didn't tell us what games you'd like to play either, nor at what settings, so we don't know if you chose the best card for your needs to get the most performance for your money. If you were planning on using onboard video for gaming, good luck... thats probably the worst performance for your money. Onboard chipsets are fine for much older games, but again, you didn't mention which games. For the best gaming performance, a discrete vidcard/GPU is preferred.

You said you have a case, but nothing modern enough to re-use. If you have an older case, it may not fit some of the new vidcards -- some older cases' HDD cages get in the way. If you know the model of the case, it would help. If not, then pictures would help, too, or a link with pics.

If you want the best performance for your money, go with an intel chip and chipset board. I'm guessing you don't need SLI/Crossfire because you only have a $600 budget. You didn't answer what other features you may need in a motherboard, so lets start with basic boards, like the MSI Neo3-F or Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L.

As far as the CPU goes, an Intel E7200 dual core, at stock speeds, will outperform both chips you listed, with ease. Now if you want to get some free Ghz like everyone else and OC it, it will probably reach around 3.6Ghz, up from 2.5Ghz, very easily, and even higher with a little more work. Neither of those AMD chips can OC any higher, and even if they matched the same clock, they'll still be outperformed. The CPU/Mobo combo you had came out to at least $216. The GA-EP43-DS3L and E7300 come out to $205 and outperforms both AMD combos, dual or triple core.

the things above arnt just numbers there links to the parts i want to get, i was asking if the parts were good for a gaming rig, i plan on using those parts for a long time as in upgrading down the road, i did not want to build something severly extream..

You obviously didn't read what I wrote. I know they were links, and I asked to you to list the parts. Its much easier for everyone if you list the parts. It was a simple request.

No one read what i wrote and the links i put up there wernt just rantings they were real links that could easly be clicked on..

im not using any old parts, since i dont even own any that would work on a moderen PC
i already have a case so i just need feedback on those parts..

If I did not read what you wrote, how did I know you did not answer all the questions on the sticky, only some of them?

Many build threads get posted everyday, and many of those people read the sticky to make it easier for us to help them. Personally, I have 20 tabs open and respond to just about every single build thread. I'd rather not click on 6+ links per build thread -- it would crowd my tab bar. Just as easily it is to click on a link, you could simply list the part name.

If you don't like the questions in the sticky, please offer some feedback on how to improve the questions in the link provided in the sticky. We're trying to make it easier for everyone to not only get help, but also provide help.

 

[WolfsBane]

I guess i should have stated this before.. i dont do OC, nor do i do intel, no offence..

As for the 32 bit OS, i know.. i was told that some games wont work with the 64 bit..

and my case is Modern, i mean other parts that i own, not the case.. i got the case a bout a year ago...

again.. i DO NOT want to build a hardcore system.. as for games, current games and future games, im used to playing on med or low settings,

As for a video card, i figured id stay with the onboard on for now, then when i get more cash down the road id upgrade and get a crossfire ready card...

 

[WolfsBane]

games like fallout 3, hellgate london, Bf2142, Bioshock, gears of war, stuff like that.

 

[WolfsBane]

I am sorry if i do seem rude and abit of an ass, just so many people tell me things that it gets severly frusterating.. i am a fan of AMD, and theres no way i could save enough for a hardcore system hence why i set my limt at around 600 for parts.. i love gaming, i always have, since i was a little shit my first game was the doom series,

 

[Dangman]

and my case is Modern, i mean other parts that i own, not the case.. i got the case a bout a year ago...

Again, what case do you have? Also, all of the games you listed will work with 64bit OSes. It's only with older games, mostly from 2005 and earlier and crappy coded games that do not work well with 64bit OSes.

As for a video card, i figured id stay with the onboard on for now, then when i get more cash down the road id upgrade and get a crossfire ready card...

Your budget does allow for a decent video card if you spend it wisely:
AMD Athlon64 X2 6000+ CPU - $76
Asus M3A78-T AMD 790GX Motherboard - $140
G.Skill F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ 2 x 2GB DDR2 800 RAM - $45
XFX PVT96OSDFH 9600GSO 768MB PCI-E Video Card - $78
Western Digital WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $70
BFG Tech LS-550 550W PSU - $80
Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 OEM - $100
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Total: $589 plus tax and shipping

The EA650 is currently OOS otherwise I would've gone with that Earthwatts. The biggest expenditure is this build is the mobo. I'm not exactly up to date on AMD chipsets so I'm just gonna go with hardOCPs' recommendations for now.

I am sorry if i do seem rude and abit of an ass, just so many people tell me things that it gets severly frusterating.. i am a fan of AMD, and theres no way i could save enough for a hardcore system hence why i set my limt at around 600 for parts..

We're not saying build a hard core system. We're saying that you can do a lot better than your current setup, even with a $600 budget.

 

[engiNURD]

What size monitor do you have? LCD or CRT?

 

[WolfsBane]

im using an older CRT.. i plan on getting a better LCD sometime down the road..been wanting a LCD for awhile now, freaking CRT is like godzilla taking over my desk x_X

 

[WolfsBane]

crap forgot to add, i like playing some of the older games aswell so i guess ill stick with the 32 bit for now

 

[tiraides]

If a game is going to have problems with Vista x64, it's because it doesn't work with Vista, not because you're gaming on a 64-bit OS. (You could also create a virtual machine using an older OS as a workaround to that problem.)

 

[engiNURD]

If you get a discrete vidcard, which will soundly outperform any onboard graphics for gaming, then you don't need a 790GX board. Since you're not OC'ing, nor needing Crossfire, I doubt you even need the 790 chipset. You'd most likely be fine dropping down to the 770 chipset instead, which should give you room for either an HD4830, 9600GT, or even 9800GT:

...
AMD Athlon64 X2 6000+ CPU - $76
Gigabyte GA-MA770-DS3 AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 - $80
G.Skill F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ 2 x 2GB DDR2 800 RAM - $45
Sapphire 100265L Radeon HD 4830 512MB ($10 MIR) - $115
Western Digital WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $70
BFG Tech LS-550 550W PSU - $80
Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 OEM - $100
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Total: $566 + tax and shipping - any MIRs
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VMWare is free. DL it and install XP32-bit on a VM, use that for your older games. (as tiraides mentioned)

If you want to stick with onboard video, go with Danny's original build and remove the 9600GSO. However, you'd be better off with a discrete vidcard, since this IS a gaming machine.

Heh, you could even get a Dell for $550 shipped w/ an Intel dual core, os, 2GB ram, 250gb HDD, and 20" LCD monitor. Then when you save enough for a vidcard, pickup a 9600GT or similar and you'll be all set. Too bad you don't like Intel. You can't build a monster gaming rig with $600, so we knew you weren't trying for one. As Danny said, you could spend that $600 more wisely and get better performance for your money.

 

[WolfsBane]

i was told gigabyte is not that greatest o.o btw i have dial up, i cant get High s peed net due to were i live.. figured i mentian that since people mention DLing stuff..

 

[tiraides]

Uh, I have a Gigabyte board... and I have a tendency to NOT buy garbage.

 

[WolfsBane]

Congrads?

 

[tiraides]

You're missing the point. We're not going to recommend stuff that doesn't work well, yet alone stuff that won't work. Though no manufacturer is flawless, Gigabyte is one of the better motherboard manufacturers in both quality parts and customer service.

It's like your AMD preference: It's unfounded.

 

[WolfsBane]

I know, Just i was told awhile b ack that giga was buggy and sometimes unstable on some boards, thats all.. Im still newish to building computers, im learning as i go.. also on the system i want to build i also want room so i can upgrade it down the road.. think i mention that.. cant remember..

 

[engiNURD]

If you ask for suggestions, keep an open mind. As we give suggestions, we, too, are keeping an open mind. If you don't want Gigabyte, go for the Asus, MSI, DFI, eVGA, etc equivalent -- its not that hard. I've used hundreds of boards over my computer career, and no brand is perfect. Some Gigabytes are buggy, yes, and some Asus boards are buggy -- nobody is immune -- none of the top tier mobo makers (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI) are any less buggy than the others. That doesn't mean they don't make good boards, because as we've seen, they make fantastic boards.

The first thing you need to learn if you're building from parts is this: do your own research. We can only guide you. You don't have to take someone's word for it. If someone suggests something, use google to find more info on it if you don't want to trust us. But don't discard a suggestion based on what one person told you once upon a time.