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Actually, if you use a cooler that's within the socket footprint (95x95mm), like the Noctua NH-U9S, Cryorig M9i, intel stock cooler, etc., then socket location is largely irrelevant.I would assume that socket position is important, so I can't just slap any motherboard in it.
I'm comparing Majormajor's build to SilentPCReview's:
Majormajor:
CPU => i7 6700K
CPU COOLER => Noctua C14 (discontinued version)
MOBO => Asus Z170i Pro Gaming
RAM => Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8 GB) 2133
PSU => Corsair SF450
M.2 => Samsung 960 EVO 1 TB
GPU => ASUS GTX 1070 Turbo
Case Fans Side => Noctua NF-P12 x 2 - pull setup
Case Fans Bottom (towards front) => Noctua NF-S12A x 1 - pull setup for GPU
Case Fans Misc => Demcifilter Ncase standard set
SilentPCReview:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1431-page6.html
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D9L
GPU Cooler: Arctic Accelero Hybrid-II
PSU: SilverStone SX600-G 600W
The biggest things are the addition of a watercooler, and a different PSU/CPU cooler.
Does anyone have any comments on those changes?
Also, I'll be starting with a GTX 970 and a 2500k. I'll eventually shift over to a 4790k and a 1080 (or similar) video card, if possible.
Realistically, the open air will be quieter and perform better if you have fans on the bottom.With enough fans in the case, should I go blower style or open air gtx 1070?
What LGA-1155 motherboard would you recommend for this case? (concerning: current availability and socket placement)
I'd like to make an NCASE build using some old parts, and have a 2500k/ram to put in it.
I would assume that socket position is important, so I can't just slap any motherboard in it.
On the EU sites all cards affected are backordered. Seems they may be waiting for the new versions with thermal pads and new bios. Or maybe this is only due to the fact that EVGA is moving it's EU warehouse.
Not aesthetics, the heatsink is bigger than a single 120mm fan.
Ehm.. you lost me, you think I should mount another fan under the cpu cooler than the included 140mm fan? a 92mm fan would do better?
Just to be clear, I don't care about looks, my components already have about 8 different colours.
Good that I am not building with the NH-C14s. I completely ignored the fact the second fan in the side bracket is also affected and am glad you are paying more attention than me
I could have looked at the own build
With enough fans in the case, should I go blower style or open air gtx 1070?
I went with a blower GTX770, and it was never able to stay cool enough to avoid thermal throttling. I had to switch to water cooling to keep it cool. I was also running it on the old Gigabyte Z87 board that had the CPU socket RIGHT next to the PCI express socket, so I wonder if the proximity of the two hottest components exacerbated the heat problem. I haven't tried the old stock cooler on my gpu since I switched out my mobo, so I can't say if that was the problem. I wonder if anybody else has been successful with stock coolers on their GPUs, it seems like most chatter on this thread is of people water cooling, or using some other kind of after market cooler on their GPU.
That's what I've noticed as well, but the 1080 has a lot lower TDP so it makes sense that it's somewhat fine. With the same cooler on a 980ti, I saw about 10 degrees higher at stock under load.Not to muddy the waters, but I recently switched form an EVGA 980 Ti Hybrid to a Founder's Edition GTX 1080 and I don't have any throttling issues with the power target set to 120%. My temps stay in the high 70's to 82ish range and it never drops below the expected boost clock. If you are overclocking, that is certainly another matter altogether.
I do have two fans mounted below the GPU so that could be helping matters. It does stay relatively quiet, but it is still too noisy compared to the Hybrid which was whisper quiet even while gaming. I am easily annoyed by noise so I will likely solve that issue shortly.
Has anyone managed to fit the following two components into their build without interference?
- Noctua NH-C14 (original discontinued)
- Hybrid GTX 1070/1080
I'm concerned the hybrid's radiator/fan assembly will interfere with the C-14
lol no. I made it. It's epoxied in and the tape just cover the seam. But your free to make more assumptions if you'd like.lol held together with e-tape and calking! what a steal!!
Someone on Reddit is selling modded nCase panels with a side window for $70.
Do you mean a DAC?Do any of you use an external soundcard with your PC? Like the USB kind
Maybe, I guess I should explain what I want to use it for.Do you mean a DAC?
Maybe, I guess I should explain what I want to use it for.
I want to be able 2 big speakers and a subwoofer, something I think the asus z170i pro gaming is not capable of.
How about using a couple of Sonos speakers over wifi?Maybe, I guess I should explain what I want to use it for.
I want to be able 2 big speakers and a subwoofer, something I think the asus z170i pro gaming is not capable of.
Managed to fit a Dark Rock TF with both fans and an SFX-L PSU with a full length 1070. It was a reallllly tight fit. I had to remove the inner SSD mounting bracket to install the PSU. The bracket can be reinstalled after screwing the PSU in. I'm running 3 SSDs. The usual SFX-L cable challenges are presented too. They push against the GPU's backplate a bit and cause it to sag.
http://imgur.com/a/RPxQV
The PSU is the new Lian Li PE-550 550W SFX-L unit. The first two pictures compare it to the Corsair SF600. The Corsair had noticeable coil whine coming from inside the unit (especially at high framerates) and the PE-550's flush cable connectors and larger 120mm fan influenced my purchase of it.
However, the PE-550 does have a much more aggressive fan curve than the SF600. I never noticed the fan spin on the SF600 once. In the pictures, I have the PSU mounted with the fan facing the inside of the case. I flipped it and the fan still operates, but not as much as when it was facing the inside. While the fan curve is more aggressive, the fan does shut off after a few minutes at idle.
The PE-550 also has a much longer SATA power cable than the SF600. Another minor annoyance is the PCI-E power cable has two 6+2 pin connectors coming off of one cable. I only need one 6+2 pin for the 1070 so YMMV.
I'd say the biggest advantage for the PE-550 over the SF600 is the cables are much more flexible! Oh, and the 24 pin is just a 24 pin, not a 28 like on the SF600.
Finally, you can see that the Dark Rock TF pushes against my first RAM stick. No issues with that yet. My motherboard is the Gigabyte Z97N Wifi. This CPU cooler is really nice if you can get it to fit. It's extremely quiet yet performs well. I also tried an NF-F12 and an NF-A15 on the side bracket instead of the TF's top fan. That configuration didn't have better thermal performance and was noisier. Stick with the stock fans and save some money.
Happy to answer any other questions about the build.
Maybe, I guess I should explain what I want to use it for.
I want to be able to power 2 big speakers and a subwoofer, something I think the asus z170i pro gaming is not capable of.
First, thanks for posting so many details. Many here have wanted to use that cooler, but it's so big. Second, great photos!
The pressure on your RAM module would worry me. Did you try mounting it with the top end of the heatpipes towards the graphics card? I think the Asrock Z170 motherboard is the only one that orientation works with.
If the SATA power connectors are the push-through type, those are easy to move to better locations on the cable, just keep the same wire in the same slot on the connector (don't reverse the wire order). You can even flip a connector (about the connector's long axis) so that it emerges on the opposite side of the flat cable, if that makes it easier to connect to a drive (or flip the drive over). Just keep the same wire locations in the connector. Then you can cut off the extra cable length. The last connector should have a cap that can cover the cut wires so they are not exposed.
I did all of this with an SF600 SATA power cable. If you try opening a SATA power connector, be very gentle when you pry them open as the plastic on mine was thin and felt fragile.,
Thanks for the mounting suggestion. I'll try that at some point in the near future. I'm pretty tired of rearranging everything in my case at this point.
I may try shortening the SATA cables. I'm usually pretty confident in my abilities but that is something I haven't done before. For now, the extra length doesn't bother me too much. I'm just glad the cables are flexible. I bought this SATA Y cable to power my stacked SSDs in the front of the case.
Give me a bit of time and I will try to find a high-resolution photo of your motherboard and figure out if the CPU socket is far enough away from the PCI-E slot for the "heatpipes down" orientation to work.
What motherboard do you have again?
You're right to be concerned. With the NH-C14 oriented with its heatpipes towards the front, there is not enough room for the 3.5-inch drive cage on the front half of the side bracket, so there really isn't room for a radiator and fan assembly.
It looks like the board is slightly longer than 3 slots so it may not work. If it does somehow fit, plugging in stuff the the board might not be fun and you definitely won't be able to use 120mm fans due to the sizre of the connectors.Will it fit:
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L12
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61M-S1 (3-slot mATX)
/w full-sized video card
The motherboard is on the compatibility list, but I'd like confirmation that that cooler is compatible with it.
Also, will the 3-slot motherboard interfere with the installation of 120mm fans at the bottom?
I don't particularly need the 3rd slot, but that motherboard was available for a good price.
I've just ordered an M1 V5 and very much looking forward to it arriving. Whilst waiting, I'm planning the rest of the build.
I'm torn between an EVGA GTX 1080 FE/EVGA GTX 1080 FTW. I know that I'm taking a gamble on temperatures if I do choose an open cooler, but the price of the FTW is very attractive. I'm in Australia and Shopping Express currently have the FTW on sale for $899. Are there any resources I can look at that compare temperature differences of different GPU choices in the M1?
Managed to fit a Dark Rock TF with both fans and an SFX-L PSU with a full length 1070. It was a reallllly tight fit. I had to remove the inner SSD mounting bracket to install the PSU. The bracket can be reinstalled after screwing the PSU in. I'm running 3 SSDs. The usual SFX-L cable challenges are presented too. They push against the GPU's backplate a bit and cause it to sag.
http://imgur.com/a/RPxQV
The PSU is the new Lian Li PE-550 550W SFX-L unit. The first two pictures compare it to the Corsair SF600. The Corsair had noticeable coil whine coming from inside the unit (especially at high framerates) and the PE-550's flush cable connectors and larger 120mm fan influenced my purchase of it.
However, the PE-550 does have a much more aggressive fan curve than the SF600. I never noticed the fan spin on the SF600 once. In the pictures, I have the PSU mounted with the fan facing the inside of the case. I flipped it and the fan still operates, but not as much as when it was facing the inside. While the fan curve is more aggressive, the fan does shut off after a few minutes at idle.
The PE-550 also has a much longer SATA power cable than the SF600. Another minor annoyance is the PCI-E power cable has two 6+2 pin connectors coming off of one cable. I only need one 6+2 pin for the 1070 so YMMV.
I'd say the biggest advantage for the PE-550 over the SF600 is the cables are much more flexible! Oh, and the 24 pin is just a 24 pin, not a 28 like on the SF600.
Finally, you can see that the Dark Rock TF pushes against my first RAM stick. No issues with that yet. My motherboard is the Gigabyte Z97N Wifi. This CPU cooler is really nice if you can get it to fit. It's extremely quiet yet performs well. I also tried an NF-F12 and an NF-A15 on the side bracket instead of the TF's top fan. That configuration didn't have better thermal performance and was noisier. Stick with the stock fans and save some money.
Happy to answer any other questions about the build.
If you're not using a 3.5" drive in the bottom, I would definitely suggest the ftw for the silence vs the FE. If you're looking to watercooling, the only option with the ftw is the Kraken G10, but it is a solid performer.I've just ordered an M1 V5 and very much looking forward to it arriving. Whilst waiting, I'm planning the rest of the build.
I'm torn between an EVGA GTX 1080 FE/EVGA GTX 1080 FTW. I know that I'm taking a gamble on temperatures if I do choose an open cooler, but the price of the FTW is very attractive. I'm in Australia and Shopping Express currently have the FTW on sale for $899. Are there any resources I can look at that compare temperature differences of different GPU choices in the M1?
Had the same ram issue with my Dark Rock TF. I had the pipes point down towards the gpu. It doesnt touch anything else but the backplate on the gpu and it fits like a glove. This is on the p8z77i deluxe.
Which heatpipes do you have touching the GPU? The small ones or the larger ones?