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Yeah, the Silverstone units are 100mm. 130mm with modular connectors is a bit tight with longer GPUs in the M1, but it does technically fit.130mm modular is ok? Because the 450w silverstone is shorter, isnt it?
So apparently High Power was showing a bunch of new SFX PSUs at Computex, with power ratings as high as 500W:
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Interesting thing is the increased length over the Silverstone/FSP/Enhance units, which lets them get a 120mm fan inside. This is exactly what we were looking into a few months back. High Power (AKA Sirfa/Sirtec) is sort of a middle-tier OEM, so it remains to be seen how good these units are.
LMAO...I wonder where they they got that idea and design from.
We should get one for free and a send it with prototype 2 for independent review.
I moved the SSD mount to the center to make it possible to use the bracket to stack two drives (though limited to 7mm thick).
Some donors on the waitlist just wanted to help us, they are not going to buy the production unit.
I think the perceived demand for M1 is very optimistic and exaggerated.
I appreciate the prototype campaign, I'm grateful for the support, but I will be very relieved if we can just get 300 units.
The vents added to the right side panel, logo and serial are going to add some cost, but we don't know exactly how much yet.
Yeah, the Silverstone units are 100mm. 130mm with modular connectors is a bit tight with longer GPUs in the M1, but it does technically fit.
Will the price depend a lot on how many orders there are?
Well, what you don't know is that w360 contacted several different OEMs a few months back about producing a higher-output SFX. High Power was one of the ones he contacted that was more receptive to the idea, and there were several emails exchanged over a month or so. The specs we gave them are basically identical to the units they're showing now: 500W+, length increased to 130mm with a 120mm fan, modular connectors, 80+ Gold. So it would seem to be a pretty big coincidence, if that's what it is.I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think they got the design idea from here. I believe it's a natural progression for a SFX PSU to be the size of a 120mm fan. How many ways can you make a box that fits a 120mm fan?
MOQ is 300. That's something we've known - and talked about - since the beginning.Have you guys thought of a minimum number of cases that need to be ordered for the campaign to go forward?
I think for a lot of people it makes it more special/unique/authentic. Maybe we'll make it a "stretch goal" if we get to 500 orders, or something. At the kind of volumes we're talking about, the discount isn't that significant. Those Demciflex filters run ~$4 each, and I'm not sure the discount we'd get from LL going from 300 to 500 units would even cover one filter per case, let alone two or four. But an etched serial we might be able to do.I understand the added vents, totally respect the logo inclusion because it's a way of branding your product, and think that the dual a/c ports is very clever in terms of giving more options in terms of hardware configurations, but the serial for me is totally useless, specially if it's going to increase the cost. We already know the M1 is going to be produced in limited quantities. Is there really the need for a serial number? Are people really that shallow that they need their case numbered. You can have something special that was made in limited quantities or that was mass manufactured. I won't use the word stupid when it comes to including a serial number, but if I was to use one to describe that idea, that word would be the one I use. Sorry Necere for being this upfront, but this is one aspect of people's mentality I never understood.
Yeah, though with the PSU fan facing inward the cables would be close to the right side panel, so they'd have a little more room than it would appear at first.So it will basically be like this except it is 1 cm shorter.
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Don't think it will do, at least for me. Would have preferred a sfx psu with a good 92mm fan.
Sure, but I think Grazina took issue with the added cost for something that isn't functional and doesn't (in his view) add any other appeal.you could probably just flip the AC cover over so the serial number is on the inside if you dont like it right necere? it will be painted both sides i assume.
So apparently High Power was showing a bunch of new SFX PSUs at Computex, with power ratings as high as 500W:
Nothing's set in stone yet, but I'm pretty sure we'll be able to keep it under $200 total cost (i.e., after shipping), at least for our domestic backers. I'd like to keep it well under that, but it depends on the final order size and quote from LL. The vents added to the right side panel, logo and serial are going to add some cost, but we don't know exactly how much yet.
We've got a business account set up to receive the the funds when they are released. I don't think it'll be anywhere close to that much, but I suppose it's possible.
Sure, but I think Grazina took issue with the added cost for something that isn't functional and doesn't (in his view) add any other appeal.
Those Demciflex filters run ~$4 each, and I'm not sure the discount we'd get from LL going from 300 to 500 units would even cover one filter per case, let alone two or four.
But this isn't a 150,000$ Ferrari. This is a 200$ computer case. The cases aren't hand-crafted by a large team of Italian artisans with perfect sheets of the finest leather or carefully crafted carbon fibre. This is, for Lian-Li, a side-project in their mass-production daily business.My point is this. When they make a Ferrari they make it and then finish it by a certain order, so number 33 was the 33rd car that left the production line.
I think most people won't see it as the "xx-th one of the line" but as "one of the xxx cases made".Here, like on that video I posted about how Lian-Li makes their cases, there won't be that control. The plates that have number 001 might be placed on a case that has a top cover done on the last cutting, side panel that was from the second cutting, so you won't actually have the first case manufactured, so it seems silly to me, specially if it increases the cost. If you we're to tell me the plaque would say something like "Limited Edition - Only 300 Made" I would understand, even if I still think it's silly. But to actually number the cases individually is to me irrelevant because that was not the order they were made, just the order they printed the plaque. I don't believe lian-li would do that kind of rigorous control.
You should call high power back and tell them what we really want is a standard 100mm depth sfx PSU that is 80+ platinum, full modular, and fanless.
100mm depth would limit the fan size and space for heatsinks.
I was told by people smarter than me that in order to 1) deliver modular 500W+, 2) 80+ efficiency and 3) quiet operations, 120mm fan & bigger heatsinks are essential. Then again, the same person was thinking 650W+ and 80+ Gold or better, so maybe at 500W it's not necessary.
I also got word from Silverstone that they are working on a 550W SFX but that is all the information they can provide at the moment.
I was wondering what the cable management is like in the M1 for an ATX power supply, is there room behind the mobo to route the 4/8 pin power and what about other cables that go to other areas on the mobo (can you make the wiring tidy?). I have read through all your documentation on testing Necere, and some of the thread but I don't have time to read through all 172 pages so I'm sorry if this has been asked before
You gotta realise this case ain't for "many people". Unless something changes, there will probably be just one production campaign, and you either get it there or you don't get the case at all.
Which is the reason you can't treat it like a normal product, and the black Friday is of little consequence (let alone such day is common in USA and UK, not the rest of the world).
If anything by the bazillion questions asked hahaha.