With a 6-pin connector I was able to bend the cable out of the way just enough to attach the side of the case.
Have you looked into a 90 degree adapter? That was my next thing to try if bending the cables didn't work.
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With a 6-pin connector I was able to bend the cable out of the way just enough to attach the side of the case.
Have you looked into a 90 degree adapter? That was my next thing to try if bending the cables didn't work.
Well, I'm no EE, so my knowledge in this area is pretty limited. I did a little googling and apparently the nvidia Shield suffers from the same problem, which is due to unshielded USB ports. I think the difference there is the case is made out of plastic, whereas the the entire front of the M1 and the area around the USB ports is solid 1.5mm aluminum, which should block or at least reduce most EMI. Which leads me to think it there must be a hole letting it through... and what comes to mind is the power button. It's ~13mm in diameter and mostly plastic, and sits right next to the USB ports, so it would seem to be a likely culprit. Easy way to test it is just to cover the power button with foil/EMI tape/a piece of metal.This is driving me crazy. Is the only option to use a wired mouse if you want to use USB3.0 peripherals? If I use one of the USB2.0 ports on the back of the case for my wireless mouse receiver, it's about three feet from the mouse, and wireless performance is poor. If I use one of the USB3.0 ports on the front panel, the wireless mouse receiver is 18-24" from the mouse, and wireless performance is generally good, unless I want to use the other front panel USB3.0 port, which renders the mouse completely unusable.
I've been through two different mice, and tried them on several different computers. My NCASE build is the only system that has this problem. It's also my only system with USB3.0 ports. Is 2.4Ghz no longer an acceptable spectrum for wireless peripherals now that our computers have USB3.0 ports emitting interference on that wavelength?
The fact that I have more than two USB devices (wired keyboard, wireless mouse, DAC, HDD dock, thumb drive, SD card reader) means I have to use some USB3.0 or USB3.1 ports as there are only two USB2.0 ports. This could mean that those USB3.0 ports are constantly emitting interference and result in the weak range of the wireless mouse as well as almost non-existent Bluetooth performance. A USB hub connected to the USB2.0 ports could be a solution, but I really hate USB hubs and the extra wiresNot to mention this solution would severely slow down the performance of my thumb drive, HDD dock, and SD card reader.
If that doesn't work, there may be someplace else it's escaping, but if it happens the EMI is getting through that way, I can see two possibilities for fixing it: 1.) cover up the back of the power button and block the hole as much as possible with EMI tape (not sure how viable this is); or 2.) wrap the plastic USB module completely in EMI tape.
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Be sure to let us know, I'm sure I'm not the only one curious to find out.
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Does anyone know if a MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti Lightning 6GB card will fit inside an ncase m1?
Ok, seems like most of the noise is from the Silverstone SFX-L 500w PSU.
Seems that since I'm blowing hot air on the back of the PSU now, the PSU fan has to almost constantly run.
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I've tried my hardest but the MSI card seems to be wide enough to prevent standard power cables from clearing.
Have you seen 90 degree adapters anywhere? I've been searching for days and all I come across are dead eBay links from years past and no leads on currently available 90-degree adapters or cable runs for dual 8 pin.
edit: Think I found one! "Right angle" were the magic words:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/261450244013?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
Can't make the purchase because it's Christmas and they don't allow it? But pumped to find the final piece to the puzzle.
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I don't think this card fits. Looks like it's 330mm long and maximum length for the NCASE is 317mm. It's also 13mm wider than my 980 TI Gaming 6G which already baaaarely clears the side of the case and needs special power cables to do so. I'd recommend the one I've got if you're looking at MSI.
is the gpu overclocked at all? Seems a little low, but I doubt the case will be holding you back...
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Any suggestions on Motherboard + Ram?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...$$$$$$$;13-128-847:$$$$$$$;13-128-846:$$$$$$$
These are the only 3 with USB TYPE-C ports. Leaning towards the GIGABYTE G1 Gaming GA-Z170N-Gaming 5.
Already bought this ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231974
Planning on just using my corsair h100 for now for cooling. I'd really like to put a dark rock pro in it but I'm not sure if it'll fit. The Corsair H105 will fit too right?
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/Hydro_Series_H105/7.html Here's as good comparison of noise levels.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...$$$$$$$;13-128-847:$$$$$$$;13-128-846:$$$$$$$
These are the only 3 with USB TYPE-C ports. Leaning towards the GIGABYTE G1 Gaming GA-Z170N-Gaming 5.
Already bought this ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231974
Planning on just using my corsair h100 for now for cooling. I'd really like to put a dark rock pro in it but I'm not sure if it'll fit. The Corsair H105 will fit too right?
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/Hydro_Series_H105/7.html Here's as good comparison of noise levels.
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It's worth noting that the GA-Z170N-WIFI and Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac both use an ASMedia chipset for USB 3.1, whereas the GA-Z170N-Gaming 5 uses an Intel Alpine Ridge chipset (read: Thunderbolt 3-capable if Gigabyte releases the BIOS update for it, and they've released it for other Z170 boards with Alpine Ridge).
You left off the Asus Maximus VIII Impact (also using Alpine Ridge), though.
Myself, I'll be building with the GA-Z170N-Gaming 5.
Also, the Dark Rock Pro 3 is 163 mm tall, it won't even come close to fitting. (130-132 mm max height, IIRC. I'm going to be running a Scythe Kabuto II, it looks like it'll line up perfectly, and then it's a top-down cooler.)
You left off the Asus Maximus VIII Impact (also using Alpine Ridge), though.
Myself, I'll be building with the GA-Z170N-Gaming 5.
Also, the Dark Rock Pro 3 is 163 mm tall, it won't even come close to fitting. (130-132 mm max height, IIRC. I'm going to be running a Scythe Kabuto II, it looks like it'll line up perfectly, and then it's a top-down cooler.)
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It does indeed line up perfectly, unless the board has a weird CPU socket location but with Z170 that seems to have been more universally centered. If you can get a Kabuto II, it's an excellent choice for the M1.
I suggest removing the metal bar that holds the upper portion to the base plate, if the upper heatsink part isn't level. Mine was off severely, I removed the metal bar (just pull it out) and bent it straight. To quote Ghandi: "shit looks tight yo".
I found where someone had used a Kabuto II in an NCASE M1 (might've been you, actually), found an image of the board that they used, overlaid it on a GA-Z170N-Gaming 5 in GIMP, and it all lined up perfectly. And, I had seen on Scythe's EU site that the Kabuto II was discontinued, found one on Amazon (I'm in the US), and ordered it. It's been on the shelf for a couple months now waiting on the case and everything else. Turns out it's not actually discontinued in the US, but hey.
Slightly overclocked, +220mhz gpu, +100mhz vram, 3.9ghz cpu. Temps on the gpu get to the high 70s. When doing the asus stress test, both cpu and gpu get to the high 70s. Im only getting 1350 or so boost :/
I feel like the case might have something to do with it. Only one fan vs 2 for each rad, hot air is blowing on the mobo and isnt really getting exhausted besides passively.
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Ah, I didn't know that, excellent !
I think you should be getting higher on Firestrike @1350...
High 70s isn't anything to worry about and is not going to be hitting the thermal cap, so you shouldn't be getting limited.
What score so you get stock?
I'm not sure what you mean re. only 1 fan vs 2 - do you mean push pull?
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I would go with the ASRock over the Gigabyte for two reasons:
1. more USB 3.0 ports on IO
2. BIOS reset switch on IO
If you're using only an M.2 SSD and are going ODD-less I would choose the H105 because you can completely ditch the SATA power cables. I regret going with the H100i because I need a solitary SATA power cable to run its pump.
Gigabyte have pretty much already released Thunderbolt 3 in the GA-Z170N Gaming 5 F4c BIOS update. It's not enabled by default, (I have modified the BIOS slightly and enabled it on mine) but I would say it is not far away from being enabled (probably when they take F4c out of beta).
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1042049820&postcount=743
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Do the SATA cables interfere with the H105 somehow? oh wait.. the h100 + h100i need a sata power molex right?
You guys may be able to help me with a few questions. In a few months i want to build a new pc and i am struggling if i want to go big with SLI or small with the M1.
My main question is about the use of mainboards like those <List here>
If someone would tell me if i can throw all this in the M1 and make it quieter than my SLI gaming notebook i would be grateful!
The stuff:
- i7 6700K + best top-down cooler
- GTX 980 Ti (aftermarket) + 92mm intake in the bottom
- Elgate HD60 Pro PCIe x1
- 2x 3,5" HDD 1x 2,5" SSD
- Quiet SFX(-L) PSU
My main question is about the use of mainboards like those <List here>
If someone would tell me if i can throw all this in the M1 and make it quieter than my SLI gaming notebook i would be grateful!
The stuff:
- i7 6700K + best top-down cooler
- GTX 980 Ti (aftermarket) + 92mm intake in the bottom
- Elgate HD60 Pro PCIe x1
- 2x 3,5" HDD 1x 2,5" SSD
- Quiet SFX(-L) PSU
You can for sure fit a very well cooled i7 6700K and a 980 Ti (check your measurements, each model is a different size), but I'd bail on the idea of fitting 3.5" HDDs in there. You can maybe fit one in front of the PSU/next to the CPU cooler, but they're typically big airflow killers. I've got a 1TB SSD but I may throw a couple 2TB 2.5" 7200rpm drives in there for extra storage. May be an option to consider.
As for a second PCI-E device, there's only one slot typically - I'm unfamiliar with the 1150/1151 boards (I'm X99) so I'll let someone else chime in, but 99% of what's out there is single slot. You may be able to get an adapter for the M.2 slot and go PCI-E x1 through there, but I'd imagine this will take some clever placement and potentially a riser/extension out from there to get it somewhere feasible.
And IMO, I don't think SLI is worth buying two 980 Tis for as it's not double the performance and doesn't quite work everywhere - the 980 Ti is pretty powerful however and you'll probably find that you won't need more. And when you do, it'll probably make more sense to go with whatever the new flagship card is at that time instead of doubling up.
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Thanks for the answer. For the Slot question: The linked boards are DTX/mATX. Some are ITX with with 1x X16 and 2x X1. Thats why i even considered the M1 since it has 3 expansion slots.
I would probably chose tha MSI Gaming card since the cooler exhausts more hot air trough the slots than a ACX type cooler.
When i consider SLI i would go for 21:9 1440p and with the single card the traditional 16:9 1440p.
For storage: I could settle for one 3.5" but would go big with 8TB, i need my space.
Edit:
A pictur for better understanding. This is the GIGABYTE GA-H110M-S2HP there are quiet a few 1151 boards in this "design" out there.
Here is a list of models availeble here in switzerland:
MSI B150M PRO-VH
MSI H110M PRO-VH
MSI H110M PRO-D
GIGABYTE GA-H110M-S2H (Rev. 1.0)
GIGABYTE GA-H110M-DS2 (Rev. 1.0)
GIGABYTE GA-H110M-S2HP (Rev. 1.0)
GIGABYTE GA-B150M-D2V (Rev. 1.0)
ASROCK H110M-HDV
ASROCK B150M-HDV
ASUS H110M-K
Those are all boards with 1x X16, 2x X1, two DIMM, and 1151 socket. There are some with 4 DIMMs but those are as with as mATX boards. What also nice is, those boards are all under 100$! Mostly in the 60-70$ zone.
I would probably chose tha MSI Gaming card since the cooler exhausts more hot air trough the slots than a ACX type cooler.
When i consider SLI i would go for 21:9 1440p and with the single card the traditional 16:9 1440p.
For storage: I could settle for one 3.5" but would go big with 8TB, i need my space.
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A pictur for better understanding. This is the GIGABYTE GA-H110M-S2HP there are quiet a few 1151 boards in this "design" out there.
Here is a list of models availeble here in switzerland:
MSI B150M PRO-VH
MSI H110M PRO-VH
MSI H110M PRO-D
GIGABYTE GA-H110M-S2H (Rev. 1.0)
GIGABYTE GA-H110M-DS2 (Rev. 1.0)
GIGABYTE GA-H110M-S2HP (Rev. 1.0)
GIGABYTE GA-B150M-D2V (Rev. 1.0)
ASROCK H110M-HDV
ASROCK B150M-HDV
ASUS H110M-K
Those are all boards with 1x X16, 2x X1, two DIMM, and 1151 socket. There are some with 4 DIMMs but those are as with as mATX boards. What also nice is, those boards are all under 100$! Mostly in the 60-70$ zone.
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Hmm definitely seems lower than I would expect?
The only way that the "case" will be affecting your score however is if you're getting throttled, which you won't be if you're maxing ~70C. Just double check in GPUz or Afterburner etc for max temps to confirm.
Otherwise check your GPU drivers/BIOS etc
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You typically want a PCIe x1 (or better) slot as the first PCIe slot and the PCIe x16 slot as the second slot, so your GPU can sit lower in the Ncase, allowing the fan(s) to sit closer to the bottom. This eliminates most of the air-recycling part. It also allows the secondary card to not block your GPU like it would if it was slotted beneath the GPU.
There is a reason they are so cheap, because they are low-spec boards. EDIT: the PCIe piece is wrong, it's the southbridge connections. This means PCIe 2.0 x4 for the GPU (for the H110), the cheaper Realtek audio chips, Realtek network adapters and often a lot less (modern) ports on the I/O. They are all H110 and B150 chipsets which are basically the cheapest, most basic chipsets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#100_Series_chipsets
EDIT: the next line is wrong too. I would not be using any of the H110 boards with a GTX 980 Ti, it could be a very real bottleneck.
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Hi guys!
I was wondering if it worth placing a 80/92mm fan on the rear mount? As I know smaller fans produce alot of noise, would it be worth the heat dissipation?
Currently I am using a reference 980ti and the stock intel cooler.
I have 2 120mm fans installed, 1 directly below the GPU's fan and another on the left of the 240mm bracket. I am currently using the other half of the bracket to hold a single HDD.
Would it be wise to shift the HDD to another spot and put 2 intakes on the 240mm bracket instead of 1 80/92mm exhaust? If so, where should I place the HDD?
Thank you.
I was wondering if it worth placing a 80/92mm fan on the rear mount? As I know smaller fans produce alot of noise, would it be worth the heat dissipation?
Currently I am using a reference 980ti and the stock intel cooler.
I have 2 120mm fans installed, 1 directly below the GPU's fan and another on the left of the 240mm bracket. I am currently using the other half of the bracket to hold a single HDD.
Would it be wise to shift the HDD to another spot and put 2 intakes on the 240mm bracket instead of 1 80/92mm exhaust? If so, where should I place the HDD?
Thank you.
I have a 92mm noctua, didnt add much noise, helped a tiny bit with airflow. Ended up taking it off.
You can place the 3.5" hdd on the case floor below the motherboard and still fit a 120mm below the gpu blower fan, cable management is tight and some heat from the gpu can transfer to the hdd, but it's not a lot.
I'm jealous of you guys with all the fan headers. My mobo has two usable ones x.x
You can place the 3.5" hdd on the case floor below the motherboard and still fit a 120mm below the gpu blower fan, cable management is tight and some heat from the gpu can transfer to the hdd, but it's not a lot.
I'm jealous of you guys with all the fan headers. My mobo has two usable ones x.x
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Not exactly, but I'd prefer an H170/Q170/Z170 board with a proper sound chip and Intel network card if I was spending over $1000 just for a i7 6700K and GTX 980 Ti.
The problem is, the boards you listed are just small mATX boards that are designed to be cheap and simple for OEM use. If you get an external game capture card or possibly use another internal port (maybe PCIe M.2 ?), basically all H170 and Z170 would be a major upgrade.
The problem is, the boards you listed are just small mATX boards that are designed to be cheap and simple for OEM use. If you get an external game capture card or possibly use another internal port (maybe PCIe M.2 ?), basically all H170 and Z170 would be a major upgrade.
Sadly external capture cards add seconds of delay to the gamesignal. I could keep my current 24" sony for gaming but then there is the issue of not having gamesound while on skype.
Well i will be waiting till mai to build the new pc. I may have luck and have the new stuff from nvidia, intel and co. I'm just antsypantsy(?) when it comes to planing and want my infos NOW.
Well i will be waiting till mai to build the new pc. I may have luck and have the new stuff from nvidia, intel and co. I'm just antsypantsy(?) when it comes to planing and want my infos NOW.
I'm using a pretty crappy mobo too and it only has 2 fan headers. I use a 2 way 4pin fan header on the CPU's fan header and connected my CPU and the intake fan(on the 240mm bracket). Then the other 3pin fan header on the motherboard, I removed the 4 pin head on my existing fan(scythe GT) and replaced it with a 3pin(removing 1 wire) and connected it to that.
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The bottom connector in front of the PCIe slot is compatible with sleeveless fan cables. I have my H100i pump RPM header connected to it, but it's fairly easy to make it usable.
Nonetheless with the pump header and 5 fans I end up using a 2- and 3-way splitter anyway.
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The bottom connector in front of the PCIe slot is compatible with sleeveless fan cables. I have my H100i pump RPM header connected to it, but it's fairly easy to make it usable.
Nonetheless with the pump header and 5 fans I end up using a 2- and 3-way splitter anyway.
I have two rads and splitting a rad with a fan did not work well, so my rads are connected to extra sata power connectors to my psu.