Pieter3dnow
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Only if you know the yields bigger die size means a lot higher change of having a broken gpu.You have to use some common sense.
If NVIDIA can take Turing and die shrink it to 7nm to make it cheaper, NVIDIA would have already done it.
Clearly, at the moment, it's cheaper to have a bigger die on an older process than a smaller die on a newer process.
You mean that Nvidia never ever had any problems making a die shrink work? Or that Nvidia does not really care about AMD in the way that they will make money regardless of what AMD does due to their marketing...Regardless, NVIDIA has access to the same process as AMD does.
If (and that's a big if) 7nm is such a huge advantage as you make it out to be...
Do you really think that NVIDIA would let AMD have that advantage all to itself?
If you been at Intel for the last 5 years , yeahI can tell you right now that yield from a brand new process is going to be worse than a matured process.
Efficient as in the features on the gpu rather then just power?Never debated they are less efficient. But I am not going to throw navi under the bus already. Radeon 7 is just a shrink while navi seems to have bigger tweaks and designed around 7nm in mind. I am betting its lot more efficient then what we have seen recently from nvidia.
AMD has a history of trying to dual purpose some of their designs the one that really cratered was Bulldozer but so far the compute cards were "okay". And Navi is just a stop gap until the brand spanking new design comes through.I think navi is suppose to be alot more leaner than vega. More work seems to have gone in to it over the years and rumor about it doing Variable rate shading. Rumor about more engineers devoted to Navi with Sony. May be will finally make something that will be efficient at gaming not only when used for compute.
Some of the problems are with Vega that the features on that card required developers needing to program for it, which can make the new Navi features as much niche as Vega and that would mean that console ports are the only games we will see using it.