My Phenom II benchmarks

[Boostage]

However, they are still largely an unknown to people not "in the know". I remember telling my roommates about my sweet new AMD X2 in college and they just sort of looked at me like I was speaking gibberish. If I would have told them I had a new Intel CPU they would have definitely at least known what the hell I was talking about.

I have to call BS on that, no one who understands what a Processor is clueless to who AMD is. more to the point, there isnt anyone who knows who intel is and what they make yet not know AMD. if your "buddies" never heard of an Athlon x2. chances are they never heard of a c2d or Nehalem, or even knows how to build a system.

Your Buddy- Hey Silent, hae you seen the specs on the new core i7? it has Hyperthreading and an integrated Memory controller.

You- Yeah finally Intel added an IMC like AMD did with the Athlon x2's

Your buddy- A.m. Who? and whats an Athlon x2? are you smoking that happy grass again? You must be, how else can you imply that there is another chip maker other than intel. haha, a Company named AMD makes chips too, what a joke, next thing your going to say is that our economy is in the crapper.

You. no seriously, there is a company called AMD, they make micro-processors just like Intel does. they have been around for quite sometime now.

Yeah. I cant see that conversation happening, if you have buddy's who have heard of Intel and never heard of AMD, I guarantee none of what we talk about on [H] applies to them and are not in the market for any shelf processor

 

[ZMTToxics]

You- Yeah finally Intel added an IMC like AMD did with the Athlon x2's

*Athlon 64, socket 754, circa 2003.

Also, be weary of attacking other users, stricter ban policies were put in place recently.

 

[TekRok]

*Athlon 64, socket 754, circa 2003.

Also, be weary of attacking other users, stricter ban policies were put in place recently.

he wasn't attacking him, he was stating the obvious. did he make him cry or something? get real

 

[sirmonkey1985]

lol i thought it was funny as hell.. sadly ive had a few friends like that.. but then again the majority of them were to stupid to even figure out how to install windows.. even with me writing a step by step install guide.. woot for the media.. makes me wonder why we never see AMD commercials.. i always see intel ones.. where are the AMD ones?

 

[Aku12]

I have to call BS on that, no one who understands what a Processor is clueless to who AMD is. more to the point, there isnt anyone who knows who intel is and what they make yet not know AMD. if your "buddies" never heard of an Athlon x2. chances are they never heard of a c2d or Nehalem, or even knows how to build a system.

Your Buddy- Hey Silent, hae you seen the specs on the new core i7? it has Hyperthreading and an integrated Memory controller.

You- Yeah finally Intel added an IMC like AMD did with the Athlon x2's

Your buddy- A.m. Who? and whats an Athlon x2? are you smoking that happy grass again? You must be, how else can you imply that there is another chip maker other than intel. haha, a Company named AMD makes chips too, what a joke, next thing your going to say is that our economy is in the crapper.

You. no seriously, there is a company called AMD, they make micro-processors just like Intel does. they have been around for quite sometime now.

Yeah. I cant see that conversation happening, if you have buddy's who have heard of Intel and never heard of AMD, I guarantee none of what we talk about on [H] applies to them and are not in the market for any shelf processor

He said people "not in the know" if they are talking about the features of the processor most likely they did the research to know that and there for would be considered "in the know"

I recently helped my friend pick out a laptop about 4 months ago and he didn't know what amd or ati was but know of intel and nvidia. So he basically skipped over every AMD laptop simply because he never heard of them. AMD does not advertise where intel does.

He definitely knew what a CPU was, he knows what it does, but does he know what IMC is or L3 cache? nope, does he care? nope. Does he want the best bang for the buck? yup, so he goes with what he hears is good and thats intel.

Believe it or not but there are people that don't do the research and just want a working computer and could care less about the features of the chip. They are the people that know of intel but not amd. Those are the people he was referring to when he said "not in the know".

woot for the media.. makes me wonder why we never see AMD commercials.. i always see intel ones.. where are the AMD ones?

They spend there advertising dollars differently. They primarily shoot for the server market and therefor spend their money advertising to those people. TV ads are expensive and not very market specific.

 

[Particleman]

For those of you that are saying Phenon II = i7... this is not the case.

You can't compare a Phenom II overclocked to 3.85Ghz to stock scores. Let's compare an overclocked results to overclocked results.

In 3Dmark06 when testing the CPU we are really only interested in the CPU score. Here is my Core i7 920 overclocked to 3.8Ghz for comparison,

I scored 6793 for my CPU score in 3Dmark06, compare that to the Phenom II @ 3.85Ghz score of 5086, and that is a 1707 point difference or roughly 33% clock for clock.

In CPU terms that is a pretty big gap clock for clock.

So Phenom II != Core i7

And where I am if you are just looking at the cost of the CPU the Phenom II 940 is priced @ the same as a Core i7 920.

 

[BravO)))]

I am glad you can tell the difference in real world apps.

 

[Atech]

I am glad you can tell the difference in real world apps.

Try encoding...the difference will slap you around.

 

[Riccochet]

I never stated that Intel offers a chip for $2000. What I stated was that if AMD fails and goes under we're going to see a spike in prices for Intel products. It's business 101 in a world of greedy execs. Their eyes will light up with dollar signs. Supply and demand kicks in here. They could, theoretically considering current market trends, come up with a bullshit excuse to cut back on production (ala oil industry's "unexpected maintenance" bullshit) or close plants all together. A smaller supply with a higher demand will send prices through the roof. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously hasn't been watching the market over the past couple years. Intel will simply say "buy your ticket for the boat or get left on the shore wanting". With no viable alternative people would be forced to pay for it. The age of $2000 high-end processors would be upon us until another company comes to the table with a competitive product. Unfortunately for AMD I think they came to the table with too little to late. Unless there is another rabbit in their hat I don't see their desktop processor division surviving another shitstorm of bad reviews and PR.

I really don't care who has the better platform. Both will do what I need them to do for a price I can afford to pay. I'll probably buy a Phenom 2 system just to support competitive pricing. Without AMD around we're screwed.

 

[wizzard0003]

I really don't care who has the better platform. Both will do what I need them to do for a price I can afford to pay. I'll probably buy a Phenom 2 system just to support competitive pricing. Without AMD around we're screwed.

Truer words were never spoken...

 

[Dan_D]

I never stated that Intel offers a chip for $2000. What I stated was that if AMD fails and goes under we're going to see a spike in prices for Intel products.

It's business 101 in a world of greedy execs. Their eyes will light up with dollar signs. Supply and demand kicks in here. They could, theoretically considering current market trends, come up with a bullshit excuse to cut back on production (ala oil industry's "unexpected maintenance" bullshit) or close plants all together. A smaller supply with a higher demand will send prices through the roof. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously hasn't been watching the market over the past couple years. Intel will simply say "buy your ticket for the boat or get left on the shore wanting". With no viable alternative people would be forced to pay for it. The age of $2000 high-end processors would be upon us until another company comes to the table with a competitive product. Unfortunately for AMD I think they came to the table with too little to late. Unless there is another rabbit in their hat I don't see their desktop processor division surviving another shitstorm of bad reviews and PR.

I really don't care who has the better platform. Both will do what I need them to do for a price I can afford to pay. I'll probably buy a Phenom 2 system just to support competitive pricing. Without AMD around we're screwed.

That's where I called BS. Intel wasn't selling $2,000 chips before AMD was competitive and they won't if AMD folds. If there is a sudden increase in the price of everything which becomes too massive they may get in trouble for price fixing like the RAM companies did. The "Greedy Executives" also realize that you need volume as well as margin to make money. There is a balance between margin and volume. They need that balance to make the most money possible. They aren't stupid. Intel didn't get where they are today buy being stupid. Beyond that everyone knows what Intel processors cost today and Intel knows that their raising prices to insane levels will only piss off their customers.

So trying to make Intel out to be evil in the face of AMD "The good guys" losing and dieing is just FUD.

As for the second part, I understand where you are coming from but I won't spend my money on an inferior product just to keep a company going. That is for all intensive socialism which I can't stand. If AMD wants my money, they are going to have to earn it.

 

[eurin]

Jesus, just look back at when prices whenever 1 company dominated, they sucked hard. Hell, look at video cards, the 8800 GTX was not replaced by new tech for way too long, while still costing $500+.

It's not rocket science, companies will keep putting out the same products without the incentive to push the envelope.

 

[Aquineas]

<snip> So until they can get something designed, fabricated and tested they won't be releasing any processors based on a completely new architecture. That's what it is going to have to happen for AMD to catch up to Intel. Phenom isn't going to do it. Throwing a die shrink and more L3 cache on Phenom won't cut it.

Unfortunately for the consumer, this is mostly very true. I wonder though if a ~20 percent performance differential between PII and i7 is something that we'd all notice? The slowest part of the computer is between the keyboard and the chair in most instances.

 

[Aquineas]

<snip>
IT purchasing decisions are budget minded but reliability is a concern. People know Intel, they tend to stick with Intel as a result.

When I entered the IT industry, people used to say that about IBM. In the PC market, Compaq was one of the first companies to come along as a viable, acceptable alternative to IBM. People paid a premium for Compaqs because they were fast (well, portable in the beginning). We all know what happened to the PC market eventually; the "clones" became the market. Every "unbeatable monopolist" eventually stumbles.

That being said, Phenom II is clearly not the product to dethrone i7 or Intel. K7 was one of those de-throning products, as was K8, but at those times (particularly when K7 was introduced) Intel was still intimidating or bribing manufacturers not to use a competing product. I'm just hoping they can buy some time with PII while the man behind the curtain works on the successor.

 

[Riccochet]

That's where I called BS. Intel wasn't selling $2,000 chips before AMD was competitive and they won't if AMD folds. If there is a sudden increase in the price of everything which becomes too massive they may get in trouble for price fixing like the RAM companies did. The "Greedy Executives" also realize that you need volume as well as margin to make money. There is a balance between margin and volume. They need that balance to make the most money possible. They aren't stupid. Intel didn't get where they are today buy being stupid. Beyond that everyone knows what Intel processors cost today and Intel knows that their raising prices to insane levels will only piss off their customers.

So trying to make Intel out to be evil in the face of AMD "The good guys" losing and dieing is just FUD.

As for the second part, I understand where you are coming from but I won't spend my money on an inferior product just to keep a company going. That is for all intensive socialism which I can't stand. If AMD wants my money, they are going to have to earn it.

I'm not making Intel out to be evil. In my opinion, if the tables were turned, AMD would be doing the same thing. As for price fixing. That really only works in a market with multiple suppliers. If Intel, or AMD, were the only ones left there would be no market to fix. It would be their way or the highway. Sure, consumers would get pissed, but that wouldn't stop them from purchasing. There simply would be no alternative. They can't not buy what they need to operate.

I'll just leave it at that we can agree to disagree. Speculation on either of our parts will get us nowhere fast.


Back on topic: AMD PII benches look like shit. I'll still buy one. It'll make a nice pogo machine for the wife. LOL

 

[Aquineas]

<snip>

So trying to make Intel out to be evil in the face of AMD "The good guys" losing and dieing is just FUD.

I think what most are saying is that AMD aren't the good guys necessarily, but AMD provides competition that keeps all prices lower.

 

[RAMPAGEOH]

AMD existed before K8 by building chips that could compete with Intel on a value level. The K6 was a cheaper part that performed almost as well as the Pentium II. They carved out their niche and survived nicely. They can do that just as well today perhaps even better. On a dollar for dollar basis the Phenom and the Athlon perform as well as their Intel counterparts for most applications. I am talking about stock speeds here because lets face it, most people that buy computers do not have a clue about overclocking a processor.

The Phenom II does not have to beat the i7. It just has to be a comparable value dollar for dollar to whatever Intel offers in the same price range. Right now they (AMD) can afford to just match the C2D because the i7 requires a new MB, new memory and the processor which causes it to be a very expensive upgrade path and a pricey new computer purchase in comparison to the older Intels and the Phenom II. Besides that, early gaming benchmarks show the Phenom to be running neck and neck with both of the Intel high end offerings and many high end computer users and buyers are gamers which makes the Phenom II a viable option for them.

I am currently using a Q6600 and I love it but I would switch to a Phenom II when I do decide to upgrade if it is shown to have comparable gaming performance to the i7 or Qxxxx for a lower price. I strongly agree that it IS important for AMD to survive to control both consumer pricing and to force innovation. Intel needs AMD around to push them on both fronts. You don't have to look any further than a year or so ago when ATI was struggling to produce a competitive video card and nVidea had graphics card areana to themselves. Prices were high and stayed there and new innovation was stagnant. It wasn't until ATI/AMD got back into the game that prices started plummeting and nVidea went back to the drawing boards.

 

[TekRok]

Back on topic: AMD PII benches look like shit. I'll still buy one. It'll make a nice pogo machine for the wife. LOL

I was actually going to support you on your arguement about prices and Intel in general, but after seeing your comment i am going to say you are pretty much clueless.

 

[Riccochet]

I was actually going to support you on your arguement about prices and Intel in general, but after seeing your comment i am going to say you are pretty much clueless.

Well, I'm not being dishonest. They do look like doody. For the most part my Q6600 stock keeps up with a PII stock. Ok, maybe I exaggerated a bit on that, the PII is better, but not by a degree that warrants an almost 2 year separation in release dates.

Like I said, I'll buy it, I'll support it. I like new, shiney things. Intel's idea of new and shiney is out of my price range though. The PII platform won't be a bank buster for me and I could care less about a couple fps' in games that'll never be played on it. I'll still make use of the machine. It's not like it'll instantly become a doorstop. It'll make a nice machine for the wife to use and for me to commendere for converting video and serving files.

Clueless? No. Opinionated? Absolutely.

I'm itching for next month. For all we know the ES benches that were shown here could be completely skewed. OR they could be dead on accurate. Either way I look forward to playing around with one and pushing it [H]ard.

 

[Arcygenical]

I was actually going to support you on your arguement about prices and Intel in general, but after seeing your comment i am going to say you are pretty much clueless.

How is he Clueless? The PHII runs with the best of intel's old generation. AMD needs to lead by at least 20% over that generation to match the i7's, or it will have to devalue the processor to meet sales goals... I have a fairly good idea which one of the two options they'll end up going for

 

[TekRok]

you people are clueless because no one has ever claimed that P2 was supposed to match or exceed the performance of a i7, its not meant to compete with it directly, but made to give people and AMD a reason to sell more chips because P1's were a fluke. P2 from the tests seems like a more than reasonable chip to everything i need it to do and much more than my 6000+.

I am positive people buying the chip will see it that way too, you are not purchasing a NASA super computer. I dont do any encoding, not a benchmark junkie or everything like that, just need a solid machine for the right price AND GUESS WHAT? Building and AMD system with the new chips will be so much cheaper than Horribly priced DDR3 and what the ship is some percentage slower, big effin deal, get over it. Buy intel and call it a day then.

 

[smoothmove]

I am an AMD fan and AMD investor. I have liked AMD when the Pent 4's were little space heaters and the AMD chips were running rings around them.

I am hoping and praying that AMD comes up with a chip that can crush the I7. Do I think they will? Let say I am hoping.

On the sales front, AMD is just trying to hold onto the #2 slot to stay alive. They lost ALOT in the last 18 months- buying ATI and then the Phenom flop. They still have great products, but need to pull a rabbit out of their hat, FAST.

For now, I am sticking with my Q6600. Hypocrit, Yes, but I am not upgrading until there is something vastly better than what I have.

 

[Dan_D]

you people are clueless because no one has ever claimed that P2 was supposed to match or exceed the performance of a i7, its not meant to compete with it directly, but made to give people and AMD a reason to sell more chips because P1's were a fluke. P2 from the tests seems like a more than reasonable chip to everything i need it to do and much more than my 6000+.

Not true. Many have claimed that the Phenom II would be super awesome OMGWFTBBQTOAST or whatever. Just search this forum in the AMD section and you'll find several threads where people stated about as much. In any case what it was "meant" to do and what it can do are two different things. If AMD could compete with Intel right now on a performance basis they sure as hell would be. Phenom just didn't meet expectations. Either that or Phenom fell well short of their goals or they WAY underestimated Intel. Hell it could be a combination of the two.

Now anyone thinking the Phenom II was going to be a whole lot better than the original Phenom needs to read this tidbit of information. That was posted on the front page by Kyle. That should tell you where Phenom II really stands. Again, all that it got (according to the information out there on the web) was larger L3 cache and a die-shrink. I'm not sure how well it overclocks yet, but given that Phenom needed about 400MHz or more over the clock speeds of Intel's Core 2 Quad in order to decisively defeat the Core 2 Quad at virtually anything tells me that even if they match Penryn, it will be a far cry from matching Core i7. Let us not forget that when overclocking is factored in, Core 2's still outclock Phenom by large amounts. Over 4.0GHz is easy on many Core 2's. Not so with Phenom. (Phenom II may be much better in this regard, not sure yet.) Is it a worthy upgrade to your Athlon X2 6000+? Probably. Only if you can use the same motherboard though. At least that's my opinion. There are too many inexpensive Intel boards and Core 2 processors out there to bother with AMD's offerings in my opinion. I generally think Intel has the price vs. performance ratio in a much better place overall. Even if it costs you $50 or so more, you'll get much more performance. If you don't care about CPU performance to any real degree and want to spend as little money as possible, AMD may be a viable choice. In some cases it still will be in certain low end price brackets. I'm not sure, I rarely build anything below the mid-range.

I am positive people buying the chip will see it that way too, you are not purchasing a NASA super computer. I dont do any encoding, not a benchmark junkie or everything like that, just need a solid machine for the right price AND GUESS WHAT? Building and AMD system with the new chips will be so much cheaper than Horribly priced DDR3 and what the ship is some percentage slower, big effin deal, get over it. Buy intel and call it a day then.

There are only going to be three types of people who will likely to be purchasing a Phenom II processor. Either cheap bastards who want to do nothing but spend the least amount of money possible, (in which case they might still buy Athlon X2's, or original Phenom's anyway in an effort to spend even less) or they will have an existing Phenom II compatible motherboard that they can reuse thus making the Phenom II upgrade path look much more enticing to them. The third group are the die hard "I have an irrational hatred for Intel, and a disturbing and undeserved loyalty to AMD" crowd. Either building a system as cheap as humanly possible and thus ending up with an AMD processor based system, or wanting to reuse a higher end AMD AM2+ motherboard are the only two of those that make any sense. The last one, I can't understand since none of these companies deserve such loyalty. I think anything outside of those two rational camps (reusing their existing board, or building super cheap systems with little regard for performance) are just going to sit here and try and rationalize their purchases and seek reassurance by talking to like minded people about their choices.

With all that said would most people notice the difference? In general tasks no. In video editing, 3D rendering, higher end image editing, and gaming? Most definitely so. On the gaming front we are starting to see processors making a larger impact on the gaming experience than we previously thought was possible. This is on the higher end of the spectrum so this won't apply to everyone. In multi-GPU configurations at 2560x1600 we are seeing much improved multi-GPU scaling and thus better performance on Core i7 systems when compared to everything else. This surprises me quite a bit but I think you are going to start seeing less of the "CPU is largely irrelevant" comments in forum posts going forward. Again this is what we are seeing mostly on the high end, so for typical gamers running at 1680x1050 using a single mid-range or semi-high end card, this really won't apply at this juncture.

 

[Appa]

So much drama!

 

[funkydmunky]

Not true. Many have claimed that the Phenom II would be super awesome OMGWFTBBQTOAST or whatever. Just search this forum in the AMD section and you'll find several threads where people stated about as much.

Links? I have never read anywhere here where anyone has pronounced the PhII to be an i7 killer. I have read a lot of excitement and hopefulness of a solid product which everything has pointed to it being. Your Intel diehard negativeness in an AMD forum has derailed most of the fun. Shouldn't you be in an Intel forum touting the joys of over spending on an i7 platform ;>)

There are only going to be three types of people who will likely to be purchasing a Phenom II processor. Either cheap bastards who want to do nothing but spend the least amount of money possible, (in which case they might still buy Athlon X2's, or original Phenom's anyway in an effort to spend even less) or they will have an existing Phenom II compatible motherboard that they can reuse thus making the Phenom II upgrade path look much more enticing to them. The third group are the die hard "I have an irrational hatred for Intel, and a disturbing and undeserved loyalty to AMD" crowd. Either building a system as cheap as humanly possible and thus ending up with an AMD processor based system, or wanting to reuse a higher end AMD AM2+ motherboard are the only two of those that make any sense. The last one, I can't understand since none of these companies deserve such loyalty. I think anything outside of those two rational camps (reusing their existing board, or building super cheap systems with little regard for performance) are just going to sit here and try and rationalize their purchases and seek reassurance by talking to like minded people about their choices.

Right, where all "cheap bastards". Nice. Most people will set a budget when they are going to build a system. A lot of people here would rather have a PhII setup with lots of RAM and a very nice GFX card or cards, then an i7 with less RAM and lower GFX card for the same money. Guess which one would get better fps? And if you were to build a new system why choose a dead-end socket 775?

 

[RAMPAGEOH]

There are only going to be three types of people who will likely to be purchasing a Phenom II processor. Either cheap bastards who want to do nothing but spend the least amount of money possible, (in which case they might still buy Athlon X2's, or original Phenom's anyway in an effort to spend even less) or they will have an existing Phenom II compatible motherboard that they can reuse thus making the Phenom II upgrade path look much more enticing to them. The third group are the die hard "I have an irrational hatred for Intel, and a disturbing and undeserved loyalty to AMD" crowd. Either building a system as cheap as humanly possible and thus ending up with an AMD processor based system, or wanting to reuse a higher end AMD AM2+ motherboard are the only two of those that make any sense. The last one, I can't understand since none of these companies deserve such loyalty. I think anything outside of those two rational camps (reusing their existing board, or building super cheap systems with little regard for performance) are just going to sit here and try and rationalize their purchases and seek reassurance by talking to like minded people about their choices.

With all that said would most people notice the difference? In general tasks no. In video editing, 3D rendering, higher end image editing, and gaming? Most definitely so. On the gaming front we are starting to see processors making a larger impact on the gaming experience than we previously thought was possible. This is on the higher end of the spectrum so this won't apply to everyone. In multi-GPU configurations at 2560x1600 we are seeing much improved multi-GPU scaling and thus better performance on Core i7 systems when compared to everything else. This surprises me quite a bit but I think you are going to start seeing less of the "CPU is largely irrelevant" comments in forum posts going forward. Again this is what we are seeing mostly on the high end, so for typical gamers running at 1680x1050 using a single mid-range or semi-high end card, this really won't apply at this juncture.

I can think of one other group of people that will buy a Phenom II. Those everyday consumers that want to purchase a "good" computer at a "good" price. The type of people who don't overclock and don't come to [H] to read about computers. Another words the majority of consumers who are very price conscious. This argument reminds me of the hoopla that was spouted when AMD/ATI came out with the HD2900 series of video cards and all the online pundits said that they were abandoning the high end GPU market. Truth is that the majority of sales are in the mid range or lower GPU range and they ended up positioned well to take advantage of that market until they developed the HD4000 series and became a leader in every price range again. If the Phenom II can solidify AMDs position in the low to mid-range consumer computer market then it will have served it's purpose and go a long ways to erasing the bad memories of Phenom errata. The biggest advantage to owning the high end market is bragging rights and word of mouth referrals that computer nerds and geeks give to their friends and families. AMD just needs to buy time to get back to the forefront and in these economically challenging times the Phenom II might be exactly what they need to do so. Value sells computers.

 

[DarkLegacy]

AMD is known for there dead end sockets. Buying an AMD CPU is praying & hoping that you'll be able to use that CPU when a new chipset comes out. 775 has been around for many years & within that span, AMD released FOUR different sockets. So your dead end argument has just been shot down. On top of that, if someone would be building a new system, they'll be smart enough to get an LGA 1366 board. The Phenom II is not all that much cheaper than the Ic7 920/940. People will still go with the Ic7 however since it's still outperforms the Phenom II on many levels.

I use to use AMD for many years. I used 4 different AMD CPU's from an Athlon thunderbird 1ghz to an AMD 64 3700+ SD. They are a shadow of there former selves now & I can not recommend an AMD CPU to anyone. Even to the most budget wary of people. When the argument is " PII's are cheaper than Ic7 " then you know AMD is in some very bad shape. I can't back a slowly dieing company.

 

[Tom128]

Links? I have never read anywhere here where anyone has pronounced the PhII to be an i7 killer. I have read a lot of excitement and hopefulness of a solid product which everything has pointed to it being. Your Intel diehard negativeness in an AMD forum has derailed most of the fun. Shouldn't you be in an Intel forum touting the joys of over spending on an i7 platform ;>)

+1.

All I have ever read anywhere is that P2 is simply going to be a solid processor with a lot of OC room that will give people an alternative to a C2Q platform that don't want to pay absurd prices for an i7 platform.

Phenom II simply catches AMD up with Core2, which is fine by me seeing as the price/performance of a core 2 system blows an i7 build away. Throw on top of that the fact that Socket AM2/AM2+/AM3 has a nice upgrade path while 775 is a dead end and you have a very valid reason to be interested in these CPUs. I love this site but mostly for the video card reviews in the last year or so. If you reviewed video cards like you seem to view CPU's the HD4000's would be declaired a complete piece of crap.

 

[funkydmunky]

AMD is known for there dead end sockets. Buying an AMD CPU is praying & hoping that you'll be able to use that CPU when a new chipset comes out. 775 has been around for many years & within that span, AMD released FOUR different sockets. So your dead end argument has just been shot down.

No seriously socket 775 is dead. AM2+ is still very much alive as new CPU's for it haven't even been released yet. Then there will be AM3 CPU's which will also work on these boards. Add to this many AM2 boards can use these CPU's. What 4 sockets has AMD released while 775 was alive? I see one AM2 / +(same socket, although AM2 can only use selective chips from the AMD line-up)

When the argument is " PII's are cheaper than Ic7 " then you know AMD is in some very bad shape. I can't back a slowly dieing company.

Oh come on now. Really? Thats your argument? AMD has always been cheaper the Intel. Thats how you compete with a company that dwarfs you. You would some how be happier if AMD chips were more expensive then Intels? Price/Performance ratio is a great argument. In fact it is the best argument, no it is the only argument if you are not a fanboy who will gladly throw $$ away for immature bragging rights. A PhII system is cheaper then an i7 setup. So cry me a river.

I am still curious as why so many Intel fans are frothing at the mouth over this PhII discussion. I mean your in a AMD forum screaming that AMD sucks. WTF?

 

[jcolby]

I am still curious as why so many Intel fans are frothing at the mouth over this PhII discussion. I mean your in a AMD forum screaming that AMD sucks. WTF?

ROTFL, I am wondering the same thing. It is obvious to me that anyone who has to go into a forum for a processor they don't own and badmouth the chip has a serious self esteem problem. Which probably comes from throwing stupid amounts of money at marginally better systems.

 

[brucedeluxe169]

Links? I have never read anywhere here where anyone has pronounced the PhII to be an i7 killer. I have read a lot of excitement and hopefulness of a solid product which everything has pointed to it being. Your Intel diehard negativeness in an AMD forum has derailed most of the fun. Shouldn't you be in an Intel forum touting the joys of over spending on an i7 platform ;>)




Right, where all "cheap bastards". Nice. Most people will set a budget when they are going to build a system. A lot of people here would rather have a PhII setup with lots of RAM and a very nice GFX card or cards, then an i7 with less RAM and lower GFX card for the same money. Guess which one would get better fps? And if you were to build a new system why choose a dead-end socket 775?

seriously, enough people on this forum went all out saying that the Ph2 would be AMDs ticket back on top.... so many people said that Intel and AMD traded the performance crown, that it went back and forth, that it was AMD's turn to be back on top and all that bullshit.... look through some old threads, takes a bit of digging, and its a bitch to search through.... so quit it with the "links please?" crap... what a cop out

secondly.... core i7, in its current form is the HIGH END version of intel's next gen architecture.... the i5 (or w/e it will be called) will be the one with the sub $200 processors, the $100 motherboards, and the cheaper (by then) DDR3.

and there is *plenty* of reason to buy a socket 775 system right now... not the least of which is the fact that in general, the higher end s775 systems will be faster than anything that will ever come out on AM2/AM3.... so who cares if s775 wont be getting much faster ... in the end, its still better/faster than the alternative AMD system/socket/generation

 

[Esstee]

so quit it with the "links please?" crap... what a cop out

YA what he said!

Seriously now.... have you ever seen such childish behavior over products?
AMD/Intel ... yaddee yadaa what a load of nonsense.

If AMD developed a product that has Core i7 fans grasping for reassurance, then perhaps they have already achieved their goals?

Additionally... the winning combination always comes down to the product price performance aspect. And so the winning strategy has yet to be seen as of yet.

 

[funkydmunky]

takes a bit of digging, and its a bitch to search through.... so quit it with the "links please?" crap... what a cop out

Not a thread link, not a post? I have to do the dirty work to make your point! And your yelling "cop out". And if you do dig up one of you gems, you do realize your the flip-side. No better.

and there is *plenty* of reason to buy a socket 775 system right now... not the least of which is the fact that in general, the higher end s775 systems will be faster than anything that will ever come out on AM2/AM3....

Really, your sure on that. Based on what? Not on any $ performance ratio any mathematician would touch. It is apparent that you have been gobbling up every PhII bench you could find, and apparently some we haven't seen. Why is that? Your not closet AMD are you?

so who cares if s775 wont be getting much faster ... in the end, its still better/faster than the alternative AMD system/socket/generation

Much faster? It is dead dude. No faster, no how. Intel has left the building. Time to start saving those fanboy pennies. Intel won't let its children suckle for long. The real world is cruel. Even on Christmas. Have a good one all.

 

[Tom128]

and there is *plenty* of reason to buy a socket 775 system right now... not the least of which is the fact that in general, the higher end s775 systems will be faster than anything that will ever come out on AM2/AM3.... so who cares if s775 wont be getting much faster ... in the end, its still better/faster than the alternative AMD system/socket/generation

Where did you get your magic 8-ball that tells the future both about products not available for purchase and products that do not exist? And more importantly, can I overclock it?

 

[brucedeluxe169]

Really, your sure on that. Based on what? Not on any $ performance ratio any mathematician would touch. It is apparent that you have been gobbling up every PhII bench you could find, and apparently some we haven't seen. Why is that? Your not closet AMD are you?



Much faster? It is dead dude. No faster, no how. Intel has left the building. Time to start saving those fanboy pennies. Intel won't let its children suckle for long. The real world is cruel. Even on Christmas. Have a good one all.

lol, ok... i didnt know i was dealing with a blind fanboy.... at least now i know better than to waste my time answering you

 

[brucedeluxe169]

Where did you get your magic 8-ball that tells the future both about products not available for purchase and products that do not exist? And more importantly, can I overclock it?

no need for a magic 8 ball to tell me that the K8/10 architecture is wholly inferior to the Conroe/Penryn one....

and price/performance, unless you are talking super low end, intel smashes AMD to pieces... so really... quit hiding behind that...

liking intel right now doesnt make me a fanboy... not when intel is on top in performance and price/performance when you are buying a processor in the $100 and up price range (i myself bought two X2 systems in the past year alone...)

 

[funkydmunky]

"wholly inferior", "smashes AMD to pieces"

He he. And what does a top C2Q cost now? Apparently you don't know how the price/performance ratio is obtained. Or is that the new math faulty Intel Co-Proc maybe?

 

[Atech]

"wholly inferior", "smashes AMD to pieces"

He he. And what does a top C2Q cost now? Apparently you don't know how the price/performance ratio is obtained. Or is that the new math faulty Intel Co-Proc maybe?

How about we compare CPU's that have similiar performance?
Or would that be to logical for you?

 

[brucedeluxe169]

intel's q6600 the same price as amd's quads, yet outperforms them handily, on the dual core front, unless you are talking sub 60 dollars, Intel's E5200 is better than any AMD dual, indisputable

overclock the q6600 to around 3.2-3.3ghz and you've got something that AMD can't touch right now

like i said, go past the $100 mark, and intel's price/performance is tops.... dont agree with me? fine... i just dont care anymore.... 95% of the rest of the [H] forum sure as hell lines up with me just fine... and you can bet they wouldnt if intels price/perf wasn't the best (because honestly, when has the overwhelming enthusiast favorite platform ever *not* been tops in price/performance?)

 

[DarkLegacy]

We'll see what impact the Phenom II release has on AMD. I always have my stock widget running & AMD is still spiraling down (1.99 currently) while Intel is still climbing higher (14.23 currently). Mostly evening out though. The Phenom II may not bail them out of the red.