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MSI Ivy Bridge Speedstep?

Domingo

Domingo

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K, so I'm in the process of trying to overclock an 3770K on an MSI Z77A-GD65. The OC genie has no issues keeping things under 70 degrees at 4.2 ghz, so since I'm adding a 2nd fan to my 212 EVO I wanted to shoot for 4.4ghz.

However I can't seem to get things to work the way I want. Speeds drop to 1.6ghz and vary wildly in benchmarks when I change the multiplier. OC genie seems to disable the Intel Speedstep and locks things at 4.2, but I can't find any way to do that by hand. I've tried turbo and that doesn't seem to change anything. Editing the OC genie multiplier doesn't either.

What's the best way to get things up to 4.4 without dropping down to 1.6 randomly?
 
Turn off C1E/EIST and it should lock the multi at whatever you set it at. Why you would want it to run hot like that all the time is beyond me though, are you going to bench 24/7?
 
LigTasm said:
Turn off C1E/EIST and it should lock the multi at whatever you set it at. Why you would want it to run hot like that all the time is beyond me though, are you going to bench 24/7?
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This is just for an initial test phase, not a "lock it and leave it"
 
Domingo said:
This is just for an initial test phase, not a "lock it and leave it"
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Ah, I got ya. I had my 3570k stuck at 4.4ghz for a while and it was HOT even at idle. Yeah, disable the C-states should force it to run at whatever you set.
 
Hello, I've upgraded my pc to an Intel (for the first time) 3770k on an MSI z77a-gd65 but I cannot get the clock to remain dynamic (idle at 1.6ghz then 4.5Ghz under load for example).

At the moment it either runs locked at 4.5Ghz or doesnt overclock at all... (using the MAX turbo under cpu features).

Anyone know how to get it working correctly, I know that some gigabyte boards have vcore offset (so can be dynamic) and also adjust the turbo clock ratio only (so it has a nice idle ratio x16).
 
ChromeSkull said:
Hello, I've upgraded my pc to an Intel (for the first time) 3770k on an MSI z77a-gd65 but I cannot get the clock to remain dynamic (idle at 1.6ghz then 4.5Ghz under load for example).

At the moment it either runs locked at 4.5Ghz or doesnt overclock at all... (using the MAX turbo under cpu features).

Anyone know how to get it working correctly, I know that some gigabyte boards have vcore offset (so can be dynamic) and also adjust the turbo clock ratio only (so it has a nice idle ratio x16).
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I haven't seen that specific board, however why are you using MAX Turbo instead of just adjusting the multiplier and letting the PC handle the rest?
 
I know that there are 2 different Turbo settings (Turbo and "Advanced" Turbo) - I wonder if that's the culprit? Advanced is disabled by default and I never did find out what it did when I messed with it.

In my case, to get the clock to be dynamic, I was using the OC Genie settings and C-state is an option in there. By default it's disabled (making your clock stay at 4.2 all of the time by default), but enabling it makes everything dynamic again.
 
I know my rig is last gen, but I wouldn't rely on the genie for anything, as it changes the bus speeds. Just do an optimize defaults to return everything back to normal, turn off the genie, set the multiplier to 44 and save. You should have the best of both worlds where when idle, it runs at 1.6 and loaded it will shoot up to the multi you set.
 
On the newer MSI boards I think you pretty much have to use the OC Genie settings to edit the CPU multiplier. I know on my GD65 it simply won't let you, but if you go into the OC Genie "custom" settings you can change anything you want.

EDIT: Nevermind - you can change 'em on "Normal" but you have to use - and +. If you try and use the dropdown, it's locked. Not noticing much difference between the settings for it vs. the OC Genie's custom menu settings, but it does work.
 
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I noticed the same thing on my z77a-gd65. It won't decrease the clock/voltage when idling. I changed all the EIST/C states to enabled, but it still won't take.
 
I always disable speedstep out of habit cause I always disabled cool N quiet. Maybe I should turn it back on.
 
I played around with it and figured it out. I ended up OCing via the "Turbo" because you can set the cores to turbo up to any given multiplier rather than change the multiplier in bios. Worked like a charm with speedstep.
 
Funny I went back to this board was trying to Google to find the answer about how to have the voltages drop using speedstep and I see I figured it out last year but my answer didn't help me out this time around.
 
Ok...I guess it's an MSI issue. If you manually set the voltage, it won't ever drop when idle. If you want it to drop when idle, you have to leave it on "Auto" voltage. There is no offset voltage in MSI Z77 boards. Pretty stupid design flaw if you ask me. I'm sure I could get a little more out of this 2600k than 4.3Ghz, but I don't want to run a big voltage all the time.

I figured I'd explain it for myself so next year when I'm looking again I don't have to research again :eek:
 
kirbyrj said:
Ok...I guess it's an MSI issue. If you manually set the voltage, it won't ever drop when idle. If you want it to drop when idle, you have to leave it on "Auto" voltage. There is no offset voltage in MSI Z77 boards. Pretty stupid design flaw if you ask me. I'm sure I could get a little more out of this 2600k than 4.3Ghz, but I don't want to run a big voltage all the time.

I figured I'd explain it for myself so next year when I'm looking again I don't have to research again :eek:
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Not an MSI issue at all, all boards when you use fixed voltage will remain static voltage even with all C states and power saving features, what its really a issue with MSI boards (and i really blame MSI for that) its they do not have offset voltage.. Only auto voltage and manual voltage...

The best you can do with a board like that its just enable all the C states and set windows to balanced mode in power management or also use performance mode and set the minimum processor state to 1%.. Thay way the frequency will still drop to 1600mhz instead of be all the time 4300mhz.. You will down few degrees by doing this, because the sandy at fully speed + increased voltage will run hot even at idle..

Its kinda funny because that feature was even in some x58 boards and they removed it on z77.. (I really do not understand why) i remember the MSI forum long time ago a MSI engineer said they was studying a way to implement it with a BIOS update and then few days later was saying after some research they cant implement it because the board wasn't able due to design limitation.. (If i find the link later i'll post im on cellphone right now and cant do it)
 
Araxie said:
Not an MSI issue at all, all boards when you use fixed voltage will remain static voltage even with all C states and power saving features, what its really a issue with MSI boards (and i really blame MSI for that) its they do not have offset voltage.. Only auto voltage and manual voltage...

The best you can do with a board like that its just enable all the C states and set windows to balanced mode in power management or also use performance mode and set the minimum processor state to 1%.. Thay way the frequency will still drop to 1600mhz instead of be all the time 4300mhz.. You will down few degrees by doing this, because the sandy at fully speed + increased voltage will run hot even at idle..

Its kinda funny because that feature was even in some x58 boards and they removed it on z77.. (I really do not understand why) i remember the MSI forum long time ago a MSI engineer said they was studying a way to implement it with a BIOS update and then few days later was saying after some research they cant implement it because the board wasn't able due to design limitation.. (If i find the link later i'll post im on cellphone right now and cant do it)
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Yes, I saw that thread also. I ended up just putting the MSI board back in my server, and am going to RMA the ASRock board. I tried to cheap out and got bit by going with the Extreme3. Reading the reviews, I'm not the only one who has freezing issues. Found a good deal on a Z77 Sabertooth in FS/FT, so I'm just going to buy that and be done with it.

Really no excuse for the lack of offset voltages. Seems to be a problem on every MSI Z77 board.
 
kirbyrj said:
Yes, I saw that thread also. I ended up just putting the MSI board back in my server, and am going to RMA the ASRock board. I tried to cheap out and got bit by going with the Extreme3. Reading the reviews, I'm not the only one who has freezing issues. Found a good deal on a Z77 Sabertooth in FS/FT, so I'm just going to buy that and be done with it.

Really no excuse for the lack of offset voltages. Seems to be a problem on every MSI Z77 board.
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Yeah sabertooh z77 its the best overclocker board i've ever had... This thing overclock all my tested 3770K to 4.6ghz at 1.2v.. Without a single issue, even with a 2700K voltages are tight low in autovoltage.. I actually im even able to undervolt over stock voltage to reach 4.2ghz in the 2700K.. Great board..
 
Araxie said:
Yeah sabertooh z77 its the best overclocker board i've ever had... This thing overclock all my tested 3770K to 4.6ghz at 1.2v.. Without a single issue, even with a 2700K voltages are tight low in autovoltage.. I actually im even able to undervolt over stock voltage to reach 4.2ghz in the 2700K.. Great board..
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Good to hear. Never had a sabertooth board before only the ROG boards from Asus.
 
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