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From the article ^^There are, though, “edge cases” that add up to a small fraction of Windows users. If you want a fresh copy of Windows 10 to install on a home-built computer or on a virtual machine (like Parallels or VMware Fusion on a Mac), you might have to pay for the operating system. Woodman said, “We never said Windows is free,” but also, “We haven’t made the decision” on whether it will be free for these users, nor what it will cost if it is not free.
That's been something we've debated on here.From the article ^^
What a load of shit. So if I have a windows 8.1 retail license I can't just install windows 10 unless I pay. Instead I have to install 8.1 and then upgrade. Fuck them.
From the article ^^
What a load of shit. So if I have a windows 8.1 retail license I can't just install windows 10 unless I pay. Instead I have to install 8.1 and then upgrade. Fuck them.
yeah... fuck them for only giving me 1 free option, not two
So if I have a windows 8.1 retail license I can't just install windows 10 unless I pay. Instead I have to install 8.1 and then upgrade. Fuck them.
But Windows 10 free update is most likely to be delivered via Windows Update. I'm guessing you'll have to convert the .esd update file into an ISO. http://woshub.com/how-to-convert-install-esd-in-to-iso-image/That's how it was supposed to work with the Windows XP/Vista to Windows 7 program, the Windows 7 to Windows 8 upgrade program, and the Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 upgrade program, but in each case, there have been workarounds to clean install the upgrade system.
Clean Install Windows 7 with Upgrade Media
Clean Install Windows 8 with Upgrade Media
Clean Install of Windows 8.1 With a Windows 8 Key
Create Installation Media for Windows 8.1 (Subtitled "Someday, you will need this")
The odds seem to be good that you'll be able to do a clean install of Windows 10 from upgrade media and/or an 8.1 key somehow.
Pretty sure my cat has a better idea of what MS is doing that MS does. By the time the "free upgrade" period is done, most people are going to be in one of two camps; people that have upgraded to 10, or people who chose not to upgrade.
How much money does MS really make selling retail copies of Windows? Outside of small fraction of a percent of enthusiasts, users don't buy Windows. When they buy a new machine, it might happen to have a new version of Windows, but Joe Shmoe doesn't go out and buy a boxed copy of Windows, take it home and install it on his computer.
MS's business model of selling OS's is history. I think they realize it, they're just trying to figure out if they should hang on a little bit longer. Windows is the only case in which a user pays for an OS. Sure, they may pay for it when they purchase the hardware, but nobody pays for an upgrade on their Mac, tablet, phone, etc, so why would they pay for one on their computer. The consumer doesn't care that MS makes money selling software whereas Apple makes it selling hardware.
What I was (would be) hoping for:
1. Already on Win 8.1 Pro on all my boxes.
(after Win 10 comes out)
2. Getting install keys for Win 10. Downloading image for Win 10. Making DVD/USB install media.
3. Fresh format/install of Win 10.
4. Win. [haha pun]
Not fan of idea of having to have 8.1 installed in order to 10 on, if that is the way MS is pushing it). I always do fresh format/installs of a new OS in my boxes.
Watch my words:
Within 3 years Windows will be a paid subscription based OS.
This is just the side step to convince everyone to upgrade, Win 10.1 or 11 will sure be subscription based (very likely a part of Office 365).
A new device will come with 2-3 years of subscription included.
It's pretty easy: Windows 10 will be a free upgrade from 7 and 8.1.
If you want a clean install, you must buy. If you want to re-install your "free" Windows 10, you need to install W7 or 8.1 first and upgrade to 10 again from there.
One word if that happens.
Linux.
Don't laugh.
I know some of you are laughing.
I have never used Linux but if the subscription story comes true, I'll be a Linux using MF'er that day.
I've been doing this since the DOS 3.3 days and even messed around with a Commodore 64 to run my ham packet BBS so I'm pretty sure I can figure it out. I will fucking NEVER pay a subscription for Windows.
One word if that happens.
Linux.
Don't laugh.
I know some of you are laughing.
I have never used Linux but if the subscription story comes true, I'll be a Linux using MF'er that day.
I've been doing this since the DOS 3.3 days and even messed around with a Commodore 64 to run my ham packet BBS so I'm pretty sure I can figure it out. I will fucking NEVER pay a subscription for Windows.
Traditional computing is becoming less and less relevant to more and more users. A lot of people probably don't even use a desktop or laptop any more.
Every year there's an article proclaiming that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop. If MS made this move I could actually maybe possibly see this become somewhat of a reality. Most likely in the form of something like ChromeOS or other highly obscured form. I never really thought Chrome would amount to much, but when's the last time you could walk in to an electronics store, hell Walmart, and buy a computer that didn't run Windows (or OS X)?
Traditional computing is becoming less and less relevant to more and more users. A lot of people probably don't even use a desktop or laptop any more. Is MS really naive enough to believe that people are going to buy into a subscription model for their OS when they can buy a $300 chromebook. People are cheap.
Personally I don't really care. I haven't used Windows as a primary OS in probably 7 years. We have it on the laptop just because it came on it and well... I've learned that once you get married it's just easier to leave shit alone.
Source/citation/numbers on this?A lot of people probably don't even use a desktop or laptop any more.
Source/citation/numbers on this?
Totally agree. People I know that just check email and Facebook now do those things on tablets and they let their PC collect dust. But I use a PC every day and have no interest in tablets.For casual/entertainment purposes I think the prevailing wisdom is that laptop/desktop use has diminished a lot due to smartphones and tablets. However smartphones and tablets I believe have failed to replace laptops and desktops for mainstream productivity uses to the extent that many were thinking just a few years ago.
^ Take a wild guess. If you downgrade to Windows 10, it's buh-bye Media Center.
"Sorry about WMC, but might we interest you in one of the thousand fake VLC and media playback apps for $7.99 in the Windows Universal App Store?"
If they keep ignoring certain customer feedback, it will be a Vista/8.x repeat all over again.
They didn't listen when it came to 8.x, they aren't really listening much now, either, unless it agrees with their point of view.
If they keep turning a deaf ear to the tech preview testers (and gamers by pushing Xbox further on Win), it may be the end of the line for consumer Windows. (for me, at least)
Seems like they listened to a lot of feedback. The major sticking points of 8.x with keyboards and mice, full screen Start and apps and hot corners have all been addressed. Thing like aesthetics, what this default should be, etc. are secondary and it's not like they don't get contradictory feedback all of the time.
Noted, and, you're right.
Asthetics, and the mish-mashing/discontinuity of Metro and Win32 UI elements are my main gripes, as well as pushing XB1 (streaming from XB1 to PC, but not the other way around, for one instance) but not gaming on Windows is what irritates as well.
It's traffic acquisition, they want people in the MS ecosystem, nothing more.
Why do you think android, gmail, calendar, hangouts, etc... is all free?
You have to make money somehow. If people aren't willing to buy the OS you have to do other things.