Mozilla To Fire Employee Suspected Of Posting Hate Speech

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damicatz said:
Mozilla is done for. Political correctness has ruined it.

Mozilla is no longer about making a good browser but about pushing a liberal democrat agenda.
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And giving you the LEAST secure browsing experience ever. PLUS ADS! And PLUS MORE ADS!
 
Wow, people are turning web browsers into a soap opera. It must be that the browsers themselves are no longer very different from one another or that much better than each other if we're resorting to company internal politics and/or celeb-watching of individual employees to justify why we do or do not use a particular company's free software.

:eek: This thread is amazingly full of it.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
What have we become when everyone is siding with the juvenile that mouthed off about his company instead of accepting that this isn't acceptable even at many jobs that pay people hourly.
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Even us 2nd rate citizens that are paid hourly....
 
westrock2000 said:
Even us 2nd rate citizens that are paid hourly....
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I would interpret his original saying as hourly workers often have fewer restrictions on them than a salaried worker (and sassing about your employer or other employees on a public forum wouldn't be acceptable for them either) ... Salaried employees have tons of things we are restricted on (one of the disadvantages of being exempt ... if there is any advantage at all, other than to employers) ... I don't think he was trying to denigrate hourly workers ... bottom line is that in the modern business world, if we aren't an executive with "president" in our title or one of the CXO crowd, we are all 2nd rate :cool:
 
It seems like there's an inverse link between common sense and the action taken towards any type of PC offender. God forbid anything I said when I was a 5 year old comes back to bite me in the ass when I'm 35.
 
theplaidfad said:
It seems like there's an inverse link between common sense and the action taken towards any type of PC offender. God forbid anything I said when I was a 5 year old comes back to bite me in the ass when I'm 35.
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You're right about the inverse link to common sense. Because common sense would tell most that if they went online and by name insulted a fellow employee or customer of company and it got tied back to them, they'd lose their job. If I went online and complained about anything feminists from to Confederate flag waving white guys and called someone out by name, I'd fully expect to be fired. And it would have nothing to with the politics of what I said or that I'm black. The reason would be that I would have violated the terms of employment being an idiot.
 
heatlesssun said:
You're right about the inverse link to common sense. Because common sense would tell most that if they went online and by name insulted a fellow employee or customer of company and it got tied back to them, they'd lose their job. If I went online and complained about anything feminists from to Confederate flag waving white guys and called someone out by name, I'd fully expect to be fired. And it would have nothing to with the politics of what I said or that I'm black. The reason would be that I would have violated the terms of employment being an idiot.
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My point was more along the lines of the backlash for peoples lack of judgment seems to be a little above and beyond these days, and it's getting worse. Like I said, at what point is something I said when I was 5 going to come back and bite me in the ass? Sounds ridiculous, but it sure looks like that's the way it's headed these days. Losing a job is one thing, and IMO justifiable when considering what the circumstances are, but ruining a persons life is another thing.

Sticks and stones...
 
theplaidfad said:
My point was more along the lines of the backlash for peoples lack of judgment seems to be a little above and beyond these days, and it's getting worse. Like I said, at what point is something I said when I was 5 going to come back and bite me in the ass? Sounds ridiculous, but it sure looks like that's the way it's headed these days. Losing a job is one thing, and IMO justifiable when considering what the circumstances are, but ruining a persons life is another thing.

Sticks and stones...
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Why are people conflating all of these slippery slope issues with something that's as cut and dry and an obvious breach of employment terms most any place?
 
theplaidfad said:
My point was more along the lines of the backlash for peoples lack of judgment seems to be a little above and beyond these days, and it's getting worse. Like I said, at what point is something I said when I was 5 going to come back and bite me in the ass? Sounds ridiculous, but it sure looks like that's the way it's headed these days. Losing a job is one thing, and IMO justifiable when considering what the circumstances are, but ruining a persons life is another thing.

Sticks and stones...
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I am not sure where the analogy of something you said when you were 5 comes in ... this person is presumably a current employee of Mozilla and the punishment will be for that ... as to previous hiring/firing decisions they have made, the higher your level in a company (or the more public your role) then the higher your scrutiny will be ... if you are the CEO then expect them to go back (all the WAY back) and if there is even a hint of something they feel will impact their business then expect repercussions unless you are the only fish in the sea and they need to real you in at any cost (few employees, even CEOs fit that bill) :cool:
 
heatlesssun said:
Why are people conflating all of these slippery slope issues with something that's as cut and dry and an obvious breach of employment terms most any place?
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My apologies. I had no idea that threads weren't allowed to branch out with discussion pertaining to the original post. From now on I'll refrain from sharing my opinions and ideas and discuss only the main point presented and nothing related to it. :rolleyes:
 
kbrickley said:
I am not sure where the analogy of something you said when you were 5 comes in ...
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That's because I wasn't making an analogy that had anything to do with the story linked in the OP. Not everything discussed in a thread is a direct reply to original story, but can be related and still be discussed, right?
 
theplaidfad said:
That's because I wasn't making an analogy that had anything to do with the story linked in the OP. Not everything discussed in a thread is a direct reply to original story, but can be related and still be discussed, right?
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It just seemed like a non sequitur but I did respond to that question ;)
 
theplaidfad said:
My apologies. I had no idea that threads weren't allowed to branch out with discussion pertaining to the original post. From now on I'll refrain from sharing my opinions and ideas and discuss only the main point presented and nothing related to it. :rolleyes:
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I simply was asking for someone to explain how such a plainly obvious breach of employment conduct has anything to do with these other issues? Sometimes a pile of shit is just a pile of shit and stinks for no other reason.
 
heatlesssun said:
I simply was asking for someone to explain how such a plainly obvious breach of employment conduct has anything to do with these other issues? Sometimes a pile of shit is just a pile of shit and stinks for no other reason.
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Again, my apologies for trying to address something larger that happens to be related to the original topic, my fault. Trying to foster a more broad conversation is just a lost cause in this case. Next time I'll bring my crayons and be sure to stay in the lines.
 
theplaidfad said:
Again, my apologies for trying to address something larger that happens to be related to the original topic, my fault. Trying to foster a more broad conversation is just a lost cause in this case. Next time I'll bring my crayons and be sure to stay in the lines.
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I was merely asking how something someone said at 5 has anything to do with publicly insulting a fellow employee by name at 35. People are always accusing liberals for being too sensitive. Turning this into something about what someone said at 5 is the same thing.
 
Clearly an over-exaggeration on my part to add effect. Honestly, I would have thought that fact would have been quite obvious. I mean seriously, look at the context with which I put it with.

I give up.
 
theplaidfad said:
Clearly an over-exaggeration on my part to add effect. Honestly, I would have thought that fact would have been quite obvious. I mean seriously, look at the context with which I put it with.

I give up.
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Except what would you have companies do ... when the job market is constrained and there are few candidates for a position then they don't care unless you did something REALLY bad ... when the job market is overflowing and they have more candidates than they can hire they want the best ones (part of that is screening out any potential trouble makers) ... your behavior years ago might be an indicator of future problems so why take the risk if you don't need to

If you are the public face of a company (like a CEO or other executive) then your bar might be even higher than the one used for the guy that cleans the floors or works on the production night shift ... why do you care unless there is something in your past that is an issue ... even then, it just means to look for smaller companies ... a big company, or the government, can afford a detailed background check and will dig into your knickers in great detail ... a small company may not have those resources or care

Ultimately it is a function of supply and demand ... the supply of workers (even CEOs) is high enough for companies to be choosy about who they let in or keep ... if that supply ever drops or the demand exceeds the supply (unlikely but possible) then they might lower the bar or exclude certain gates that now exist
 
The minorities can throw fits and verbally abuse people, but if you so much as point out their incompetence, it's "out the door with the White racist."
 
sliverjazz said:
The minorities can throw fits and verbally abuse people, but if you so much as point out their incompetence, it's "out the door with the White racist."
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So when that's the case you go to Reddit to point out the incompetence of these minorities by name while hiding your own identity? LOL! This thread is full of more ridiculous bullshit than most when these subjects come up. And that's not an easy threshold to cross.
 
sliverjazz said:
The minorities can throw fits and verbally abuse people, but if you so much as point out their incompetence, it's "out the door with the White racist."
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Yep. Just ask the two news people that were murdered in a hate crime on live television this morning.
 
damicatz said:
Yep. Just ask the two news people that were murdered in a hate crime on live television this morning.
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Pure nonsense. The dude was just crazy, and his race and lifestyle were inconsequential.


You're promoting stereotypes while simultaneously embodying one.
 
potency said:
Pure nonsense. The dude was just crazy, and his race and lifestyle were inconsequential.


You're promoting stereotypes while simultaneously embodying one.
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No, he killed them because they were white. In his manifesto, he stated that this was revenge for the Charleston shootings.

He was an affirmative action hire who had a history of misbehaving. He got fired from multiple jobs for being hostile and each and every time, he sued them for "discrimination". The last job he got fired from, they had to have the police escort him out and had to provide provide security for his former coworkers.
 
damicatz said:
No, he killed them because they were white. In his manifesto, he stated that this was revenge for the Charleston shootings.

He was an affirmative action hire who had a history of misbehaving. He got fired from multiple jobs for being hostile and each and every time, he sued them for "discrimination". The last job he got fired from, they had to have the police escort him out and had to provide provide security for his former coworkers.
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That doesn't invalidate that he was crazy ... no truly sane person will commit murder as you have to be broken mentally for murder to be a logical solution to a problem ... his insanity was channeled and enabled by the other factors you mentioned ... that said, so I don't get beat up for this, I do not consider insanity a defense, just an explanation of why someone could commit mass murder (since all SJWs aren't spree killers/mass murderers, nor are they likely to become one) ;)
 
kbrickley said:
That doesn't invalidate that he was crazy ... no truly sane person will commit murder as you have to be broken mentally for murder to be a logical solution to a problem ... his insanity was channeled and enabled by the other factors you mentioned ... that said, so I don't get beat up for this, I do not consider insanity a defense, just an explanation of why someone could commit mass murder (since all SJWs aren't spree killers/mass murderers, nor are they likely to become one) ;)
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I think you are generally correct Kbrickley. That said, I think it is more accuate, at this point, with our limited facts, to say that he was likely a racist who was mentally ill. From what I have read, the killer's reported statements would lead a reasonable person to believe he had a unreasonable dislike or hatred of whites, but, his behavior is so out of bounds that an explanation of mental illness attributed to his stated racism makes sense. Sounds somewhat similar to the person who killed all those innocent folk in the church not long ago.
 
Chas said:
You're all ignoring the operative word.

"Suspected of"

So. They don't necessarily have proof this person did it. But they're going to fire him "just in case".

Precrime anyone?
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Agreed, absence proof this could possible be a nice wrongful terminiation case, published on the internet it becomes a defimation case as well.
 
damicatz said:
In his manifesto, he stated that this was revenge for the Charleston shootings.
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You know how to tell someone is just plain batshit crazy, and is a danger to society? THEY HAVE A MANIFESTO.

He didn't kill because of what he believed. He killed because he was crazy.

Was Dahmer a sick fuck because he was gay? No, he was a sick fuck because he was a sick fuck. Unfortunately for gay men in Milwaukee, he liked them sauteed in butter with a touch of garlic. But no one went around saying he was a symptom of a lifestyle war against society.


What ever happened to crazy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6uFXEjgX8Q
 
potency said:
You know how to tell someone is just plain batshit crazy, and is a danger to society? THEY HAVE A MANIFESTO.

He didn't kill because of what he believed. He killed because he was crazy.

Was Dahmer a sick fuck because he was gay? No, he was a sick fuck because he was a sick fuck. Unfortunately for gay men in Milwaukee, he liked them sauteed in butter with a touch of garlic. But no one went around saying he was a symptom of a lifestyle war against society.


What ever happened to crazy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6uFXEjgX8Q
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Funny how all the libtards didn't say that about Dylann Roof. When a white person murders a bunch of black people because they are black, it's racist, even if he is clearly insane.

When a black person murders a bunch of whites because he hates white people, it is "workplace violence" or "mental illness".
 
damicatz said:
Funny how all the libtards didn't say that about Dylann Roof. When a white person murders a bunch of black people because they are black, it's racist, even if he is clearly insane.

When a black person murders a bunch of whites because he hates white people, it is "workplace violence" or "mental illness".
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There are always people who resort to knee-jerk reactions and apply their own limited perspectives on any given situation, as you are so plainly and repeatedly demonstrating here.
 
damicatz said:
Funny how all the libtards didn't say that about Dylann Roof. When a white person murders a bunch of black people because they are black, it's racist, even if he is clearly insane.

When a black person murders a bunch of whites because he hates white people, it is "workplace violence" or "mental illness".
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Well, they can certainly be both crazy and racist ... unfortunately since our legal system uses insanity or diminished capacity as a defense for murder, people are nervous about referring to a killer as being insane (since it can make it harder to prosecute them) ... we need to break that paradigm so that we can say a person is batshit crazy and still walk them in front of a firing squad :cool:
 
kbrickley said:
we need to break that paradigm so that we can say a person is batshit crazy and still walk them in front of a firing squad :cool:
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Yeah. Mental illness should be punishable by death. Same with physical illness too. I'm fed up with all these sick people everywhere. They should all be punished suitably for their crimes.
 
potency said:
Pure nonsense. The dude was just crazy, and his race and lifestyle were inconsequential.
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I just love this dismissal of him just being 'crazy'. Just astonishing double standard.

The media brain washed and created this racist hateful human garbage, he honestly believed he himself was a 'victim'. Even now the media is trying to justify his act. It was not a random act it was clearly premeditated, I can't think of anything more hateful then outright murder in broad daylight.
 
CEpeep said:
Yeah. Mental illness should be punishable by death. Same with physical illness too. I'm fed up with all these sick people everywhere. They should all be punished suitably for their crimes.
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If they commit murder then yes ... I wasn't proposing that all crazy people be executed, just the ones who kill people (it shouldn't be a defense for murder) ;)
 
CEpeep said:
Yeah. Mental illness should be punishable by death. Same with physical illness too. I'm fed up with all these sick people everywhere. They should all be punished suitably for their crimes.
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Let's get them Blacks and Jews too while we're at it.


yourgrandma said:
I just love this dismissal of him just being 'crazy'. Just astonishing double standard.

The media brain washed and created this racist hateful human garbage, he honestly believed he himself was a 'victim'.
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So he wasn't crazy, he was just brainwashed by his TELEVISION? Did IQ's just drop sharply while I was away?
 
kbrickley said:
If they commit murder then yes ... I wasn't proposing that all crazy people be executed, just the ones who kill people (it shouldn't be a defense for murder) ;)
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If someone's crazy goes unnoticed and unaided for so long that they end up killing someone, it's indicative of a failure of our mental health system. It's much cheaper to provide proactive care than it is to let people die and then kill someone in retaliation. Rather than investing in costly legal proceedings to change the law and make a bunch of lawyers rich, shouldn't we just invest in better care?

Or yeah, let's just kill them and everyone else who has problems. Bullets are cheap.
 
lcpiper said:
Agreed, absence proof this could possible be a nice wrongful terminiation case, published on the internet it becomes a defimation case as well.
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They haven't terminated anyone yet ... the "suspected" term applies to the fact they think the person is an employee ... they still need to identify the person and then fire them ... in The People's Republic of Californiastan it might be possible to have wrongful termination suits, but in most States the rules are becoming more Employment at Will or Right to Work so unless there was a violation of a protected class/harassment/whistle blower there is no such thing as wrongful termination ... Defamation is also tough since you do need to show you were innocent, not just that they didn't have proof
 
potency said:
So he wasn't crazy, he was just brainwashed by his TELEVISION? Did IQ's just drop sharply while I was away?
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Media includes social media, movies, Music 'role models', even education bombard minorities with a image of being a helpless oppressed victims instead of one of empowering perseverance and personal responsibility.
 
yourgrandma said:
Media includes social media, movies, Music 'role models', even education bombard minorities with a image of being a helpless oppressed victims instead of one of empowering perseverance and personal responsibility.
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I'm just glad the crazy person shooting innocent people isn't white for once...
 
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