Mini ITX/SFF Build :)

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1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc
Gaming (Street Fighter 4, CS source & 1.6, Sims 3 etc...), web browsing, usual student stuff (papers occasional presentation)
2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?
4-500 lower is better of course *preferably through amazon (free shipping options) or where i can pick up at my local Frys*
3) Where do you live?
Southern California
4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. Please be very specific.
FULL BUILD (MAYBE re-use logitech wireless mouse/keyboard)
5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.
As stated above possibly logitech wireless keyboard mouse
6) Will you be overclocking?
Would love to learn but im content with getting quality parts and leaving it at that
7) What size monitor do you have and/or plan to have?
this is a build im looking to attach to my 40" 1080p 120hz Samsung LCD tv :))))
8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC?
ASAP
9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? etc.
HDMI connect to tv, if matx motherboard (sg05 case or whatever u guys reccomend) im looking at the zotac 9300 wifi matx or something of similar qualities, also something that will run Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Quad *future upgrade if need be haha*
10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license?
No, pls include a OEM Vista Premium into recommended builds :)



Im having this big dilemma with some other little tidbits
- This comp will sit on the floor and be next to my bed which im hoping will run a cord to the tv and play nice (hdmi prolly will do the trick on its own including the sound rite? is that a dumb question? lmao) ... almost like a speaker/subwoofer haha
- Dual Core vs Core 2 Duo... is it really necessary to just go all out and get a C2D or can i survive and game decently with a Dual Core CPU (or should I be convinced to get an AMD to cut price down)
- A couple of cases Im considering and need help choosing are the Silverstone SG03 (tower style) vs the SG05 (cube style has PSU i think 300watt rated but claimed to run current cards 9" in length) ....even considering the Apevia QPack 2 (if i can get decent cooling out of it without having to really mod it crazy)
:: pls include build recommendations for both considering the size limits
:: can the sg05 run cool and quiet or is it just asking for too much?
:: long term is the SG05 a waste of money since im limited to the PSU it has? (idk how some are able to get a Corsair psu into there comps and still be effective to its form factor..not unless its really easy to do haha)
- Would love to include some nice and quiet yet effective colored LED fans :) (no idea what brands or price to go with)... preferably blue LOL
- For either case (or whatever else u guys would greatly recommend), Im looking to better the airflow w/ a modular PSU...which one should i get and is there a big diff between a 60-90 buck Raidmax 600+ PSU vs Corsair 520w $120-150? PSU haha (or is there really not THAT big of a diff to having modular PSU??)
- I see ppl getting 4850s and gts 250s held up in their cases i just want whatever is affordable and still give me that bang for the buck deal that will run the types of games i wanna play
 
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Hopefully HG or someone will be along to post a build for me to agree with, otherwise, i'll post one later tonight (busy right now, sorry).

Yes, an HDMI cable should work fine if you're using your TV's speakers.

AMD would probably be your best bet since your budget is low (thinking AMD 770 + 7750 X2).

Cases are subjective... I'd go with the cheapest option, hehe. I haven't read up on the SG05 yet, though.

Yate Loon for fans. ;)

Stay away from RAIDMAX PSUs!!!!
 
i can range it 4-600 bills if that helps at all haha ive never built a comp but ive upgraded and done lil component stuff so i can figure it all out

its just picking the parts im concerned with a bit... yea raidmax i wasnt sure of cause i dnt really hear ppl buying them in big gaming rigs so i wouldnt expect it even in a budget build

i mean i guess amd is fine i was always an intel person .. so yea idk maybe dual core would better fit my build? haha
 
Nowadays in this part of the forum, we've stopped recommending C2D/C2Q based setups since AMD's Phenom II CPUs offer similar performancebut at a lower price. Considering that AMD's socket AM2+ has more life in it than Intel's socket 775 and that Newegg offers some really awesome combo deals, very little reason to go Intel socket 775 these days.

Just drop the Apevia XQpack altogether. It's a horrible choice due to the included PSU:
Apevia ATX-AS500W-BL
Apevia Warlock Power 900W
XQPack's Included 420W PSU
Aspire Beast 680W Power Supply

While yes a Corsair 520HX was crammed into a SG05, even the modder said that he wasn't sure if that was a good long term idea and that he just did it for the hell of it. I recommend ditching the SG05 altogether since your budget and needs will be better served by a mATX or ATX build.

Also are you willing to try the Windows 7 RC? It's free to use until March (before the damn restart shit) and by then Windows 7 will be out. Kind of a bad idea to buy Windows Vista when Windows 7 is close to being released.

Here's a prelim build for $600 and assuming that you do decide to go with Windows 7 RC:
$159 - AMD Phenom II X3 710 CPU + ASUS M3A76-CM AMD 760G mATX Motherboard Combo
$45 - A-Data ADQVE1B16K 2 x 2GB DDR2 800 RAM
$125 - XFX HD-485X-YDFC Radeon HD 4850 512MB PCi-E Video Card
$75 - Western Digital WD6401AALS 640GB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$25 - Samsung SH-222F 22X DVD±R SATA DVD Burner
$80 - BFG Tech LS-550 550W PSU
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Total: $509 plus tax and shipping

Gonna let you decide on the case first
 
Wow looks pretty good... Yah the apevia is like what 90 bucks haha so I wasn't expecting anything great I mean I could get an ultra microfly I believe that's at office depot online or something comes without psu

Idk maybe I'm a sucker for nice power supplies that 520 modular corsair is tight hah

I think there's 4gb hitting 47 bucks with rebate on newegg

I'm prolly going to have to factor in a wireles card extra but I believe I have an extra external USB around ...

Amd seems like the way to go I guess can't wait for other build list recommendations
Oh yah btw I'll prolly also get windows 7 foe now but my concern is if it'll play nice with all the different games I wanna install
 
Wow looks pretty good... Yah the apevia is like what 90 bucks haha so I wasn't expecting anything great I mean I could get an ultra microfly I believe that's at office depot online or something comes without psu

I think there's 4gb hitting 47 bucks with rebate on newegg

Amd seems like the way to go I guess can't wait for other build list recommendations
Oh yah btw I'll prolly also get windows 7 foe now but my concern is if it'll play nice with all the different games I wanna install

Still wouldn't trust ANY PSU that comes with the Ultra or Apevia cases. They tend to be really really shitty.

$47 with rebate? Bad price. The RAM I chose is $47 without rebate.

As long as your game doesn't have or use punkbuster, it'll run fine in Windows 7 RC. There are a handful of reports saying that punkbuster works with Windows 7 RC with some games.
 
Im gonna try to stop by Frys later today hopefully and see what I can find ...
Gonna take a look at some case fans and things of that nature
+ PSU coolers (depending on the case Im gonna finally go with) ...those Zalmans look pretty crazy
also motherboard cpu combos cause they tend to put out some deals time to time at frys so hopefully ill find something

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Some items I was looking at (looking for some things if i can find them locally instead of getting hit by shipping and handling)
XFX 4850 $120 after rebate
http://www.frys.com/product/5845433?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
Coolermaster Vortex CPU Cooler (low profile) 20 bucks
http://www.frys.com/product/5404269?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
SG03 Case (frys.com)
115-40 (rebate) = 75 ....

im reading more into amd so im slowly easing my way to it haha
 
....
+ PSU coolers (depending on the case Im gonna finally go with) ...those Zalmans look pretty crazy
....
also motherboard cpu combos cause they tend to put out some deals time to time at frys so hopefully ill find something

You meant CPU coolers right? If so, those Zalmans 9XXX HSF are not good buys. There are significantly better HSF for cheaper:
$40 - Xigmatek Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm HSF

If PSU, the Zalman are still not good buys.

CPU combo wise, the only decent one is this:
http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com...MD-Phenom-II-X4-810-Asus-M3A78-CM-Motherboard
 
didnt see too many sales at frys today haha

things that stood out:
500gb sata Seagate HDD for 49.99
they had AMD + Motherboard combos but I dnt remember the specs hah =P

they had a lot of SFF cases on display ... SG02 (69 bucks looked like cooling would be blah), Lanbox Lite ( really longer than I thought and where the other two fans were sitting looks like it only cools the GPU) Antec forgot the model was basically an enclosed box haha

so none of those form factors really stood out... which is kind of why i thought that the SG05 woulda been way better cooling wise with that fan in the front... im leaning more towards the SG03 for now

STill looking at diff components ... for the AMD motherboard combo linked above i saw dual core combos as well for same if not cheaper price but i dnt think theres much bang for the buck if i went that route....

maybe ill get better finds at the microcenter hahah
just a quick update =]
 
UPDATE:

Bought the Elite 340 case for about 37 bucks *refurb* so wish me luck on that =P
as soon as I get the case Im gonna plan out more to what I can do with it

So far so good on the budget haha...
Im looking through online for other ppl and what kind of configs they ran
...ppl are mentioning tight fit considering the PSU and drive bays are pretty close to each other
so im looking for a good modular psu probably so my budget might or might not suffer in that department

looking at couple 120mm fans (front/back) and an 80mm for the side
 
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yate loon sounds good.... i dont suppose theres 80mm yate loon led fans huh

idk if its gonna be worth the effort to take this out of my closet but i got a 9600xt graphics card that never got to see the light of day dont suppose i could use that in my build? lol
prolly wouldnt look too pretty trying to play anything modern today
 
idk if its gonna be worth the effort to take this out of my closet but i got a 9600xt graphics card that never got to see the light of day dont suppose i could use that in my build? lol
prolly wouldnt look too pretty trying to play anything modern today

Sorry the 9600XT is an AGP card. Most of today's modern mobos uses PCI-E for video cards.
 
wasnt really expecting it to be used lol
im looking at the list that i have there... im trying to cut costs as much as possible
would it be a hard hit if i dropped my gpu down to possibly an 8800 / IceQ maybe idk model or something of that nature...i saw a WD 320gb for like 54 bucks so that saved a few bucks idk hahah
 
wasnt really expecting it to be used lol
im looking at the list that i have there... im trying to cut costs as much as possible
would it be a hard hit if i dropped my gpu down to possibly an 8800 / IceQ maybe idk model or something of that nature...i saw a WD 320gb for like 54 bucks so that saved a few bucks idk hahah

Well just list out the parts you plan on getting and we can work on it. Also what is your exact budget?
 
4-5 still i think ... and of course lower is better
at least a good base to start me off so when i want to upgrade to better parts ill be set to go

idk too much so maybe the list above is already optimal given the circumstances haha


maybe some items ill have to through amazon or something tax is killing me on newegg =_=
 
Some items that caught my attention:

Sapphire 4830 1gb WITH HDMI output (prolly suits me since i wanna hook up to my LCD tv)
listed @ 109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102827

Sapphire 4830 512mb (89.99 - 10 MIR = 79.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102822

EVGA GeForce 8800GTS (104.99 - 20 mail in rebate = 89.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130325

Asus 9600GT (99.99 -20 rebate = 79.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121229



WD 320gb (49.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136098

Maybe I should buy this like now haha ... OCZ Modular 500w PSU ( MAYPSU10 drops it 10 more bucks w/ 25 MIR makes 35 bucks!)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341016


whatcha think :]
 
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Please help us out by listing the parts you're considering buying (as well as where you plan on purchasing everything at).

Before I continue, I'm going to be frank with you -- I don't like mail-in rebates. I've had a history of hit-or-miss with rebates in general, and I don't believe that they're the best way to save money since they offer no immediate discounts for you at checkout (yet many people talk about them as if that's true).

Of all of your video card choices, I prefer the Sapphire 512MB HD4830, since its performance is similar to the 8800GT/9800GT and is also pretty cheap before MIR. The additional 512MB of memory in the other Sapphire HD4830 won't offer much of an improvement performance-wise... and the 512MB Sapphire card also comes with an HDMI port.

To many of us, the best bang-for-the-buck HDD available is the WD6400AAKS. It's dual-platter design enables it to perform on par with the last-gen Raptor X and only (around) 10% slower than the newer, better VelociRaptor. With that said, I recommend the WD3200AAKS instead, as you may luck out and get the much-faster single-platter model.

I'm not a big fan of the OCZ power supplies in general. Personally, I've heard so many horror stories on their older models that I've personally turned off on even considering one. (The only exception is with the PC Power & Cooling models, as they were made in a separate company -- prior to OCZ's acquisition -- with a history of making quality models.) That said, I can't come up with a quality modular PSU under $80 that I would recommend. But with a spacious case and a decent understanding of wire management, you can get by with a non-modular PSU. In fact, the non-modular BFG LS-550 is more powerful for around the same price (prior to MIR and promo code).
 
I was about to edit my post with the BFG LS, but tiraides linked it. ;) So yah, since its the same pre-rebate, I'd go for that. Rebates are never guaranteed.
 
including the sapphire 4830 with the rest of Danny Bui's list i get 520 incl. shipping and handling
not too bad?
i was reading ppls reviews and they seem to like it a lot given the price...i feel weird cause i feel as though im doing a disservice by
skimping it down ... and plus those IceQ gpus look real nice haha -_-


swapping the WD for a 320gb drive gives me 492...
little sacrifices like that dropped the price a bit there

yeah im not one to enjoy rebates ive sent one out for my tv and probably not expecting anything back now...hate how those things work
 
I compiled yet another list of items
Total came out to 563.89 incl. tax/shipping

WD 320gb HDD 7200rpm 49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136098

Sapphire 4830 w/ HDMI (might get 4850 if the price is right) 89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102822

BFG 550w PSU 89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817702008

Artic Silver 5 compound 8.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007

A-Data 4gb RAM (2gb x 2) 43.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211188

Xigmatek XLF 120mm case fans (2) 8.99 each
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233015

Cooler Master V8 CPU cooler 62.49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103055

AMD Phenom x3 710 2.6ghz w/ ASUS M3A76 Micro ATx mobo 158.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.191010


Only thing missing is the DVD burner (samsung one listed earlier is out of stock at the moment) 24.99

So include the missing item and im hitting 6 bills...any recommendations to put the price lower maybe a strong/decent card for cheaper amount.... or maybe i need to swap my V8 CPU cooler for something more affordable (it does look pretty tight haah)

remember originally it was just 4-5 range so obviously again cheaper is better...but if thats as good as gets i might say screw it and swap the BFG psu for the corsair 520 LMAO
 
Get the BFG LS-550 from Buy.com. It's currently around $69 there with free shipping.

Swap out the Cooler Master V8 for the Xigmatek Dark Knight S1283V. If you really need to cut corners, you can omit the Arctic Silver 5 for now... the Xigmatek comes with enough TIM for a couple of uses.

As for case fans, a couple of Yate Loons can go a long way.

Samsung drives, in general, are pretty good. You're not limited to just the SH-S223F -- there's also the SH-S222L.
 
I agree with elleana ...skip the aftermarket cooler if your not going to over clock & use that money elsewhere... don't skimp on psu ( I rather buy a top quality used psu than a poor quality new one)
look over the for sale adds... if you like intel, used c2d's are cheap but so are used amd's .. I'd go with whatever is cheapest, remember your not building a state of the art newest thing out system so I wouldn't be afraid to go with used parts
 
[...] don't skimp on psu ( I rather buy a top quality used psu than a poor quality new one)

Uh, the BFG LS-550 isn't garbage. It's been positively reviewed by JonnyGURU and the [H], which are two of the few sites that know how to really stress-test power supplies.

That said, there's no reason to get that power supply from NewEgg when other locations have it available for less. (Now, why I forgot about the CPU cooler is beyond me....)
 
I wasn't saying the bfg was a poor psu ... in fact I never mentioned any brand , I was just stating my opinion weather I'd buy a poor quality new vs a good quality used psu
 
Most of us here share the same opinion as you. However, the timing of your comments brought the implication that the PSU we recommended was garbage.
 
I wasn't saying the bfg was a poor psu ... in fact I never mentioned any brand , I was just stating my opinion weather I'd buy a poor quality new vs a good quality used psu

Most of us here share the same opinion as you. However, the timing of your comments brought the implication that the PSU we recommended was garbage.

All right, confusion cleared up.

Anyway, as some people in this thread have said, if you don't plan on overclocking or can't spare the extra cash right now, drop the 3rd party HSF. Or if you want to overclock later on without having to dissemble your system to install a 3rd party HSF, get the Xigmatek HSF that tiraides recommended.
 
BTW, you asked earlier if Yate Loon made quiet 80mm fans, and yes, they do. I'm using several of them in some of my cases (yes, I still have cases that use 80mm fans, lol, like my Lian-Li PC-60 from early 2000 :p).
 
Purchased items already i split my purchases through amazon (free shipping no tax :p) and newegg...so idk if i really saved a lot but it seems like it haha ..
saved 16 bucks loL MEH... guess that might be going to a nice cpu cooler lmao



Total came out to 524.60 so not too bad


Sapphire 4830 w/ HDMI
BFG 550w (bought through amazon)
Corsair 4gb XMS2 (amazon)
Xigmatek XLF 120mm case fans (2) 8.99 each
AMD Phenom x3 710 2.6ghz w/ ASUS M3A76 Micro ATx mobo 158.99
WD 640gb HDD (amazon)
Samsung DVD burner w/ lightscribe (bought on newegg other model u guys recommended out of stock)

I probably saved a few bucks on the tax...hopefully that corsair ram will be fine i read reviews going either way ...

no v8 cooler or dark knight... i think i might buy one still though depending.... i plan on going to frys and prolly pick up a logitech mouse for my old desktop and use the wireless mouse and keyboard for this build (logitech ex110? just something basic)

didnt pick up any artic cooler 5 but if thers anything significant ill buy it in a heartbeat if i need to...

i wanted to get the 4850 but i kept thinking the price wasnt worth it YET... shoot i even considered going all out and running with a gts 250 *those things look nice hehe*

so for now im awaiting shipments and then off to my build...i wanted to custom mod my side panel for a window (still considering sending it out to get one done) but for now ill just leave it as is


thanks guys
 
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Hm... I think the hd4770 outperforms the hd4830. o wellz. nice to see you save a few bucks. the cpu hsf is only significant if you want to OC.
 
man im having a hard time trying to install these xigmatek fans into the 340 case i think the screws are way too big or something i feel like im forcing it haha

+ the 2nd fan idk how im going to install to the psu no 3 or 4 pin =X
 
huh? They're probably tough because you're essentially threading them; the holes on fan casings aren't threaded, so the screw does the threading while you screw it in.

Which connector does the fan have? You can get adapters, if needed.
 
front fan i zip tied and it seems pretty stable so when i test it if its gonna move around ill screw it down

the exhaust fan back of the case was screwed down turns out i just had to muscle it out and turn the screw to thread it like you said thanks

also i found the 4 pin connector it was attached to one that i thought was all sata LMAO...
so everything good for now
 
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