Microstutter

Xathian said:
So you say you had microstutter on almost every high end card?

Sounds like someone can't afford good parts so they convince themselves they are bad.
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its of no use xp3nd4bl3. they don't understand why someone would go through such expense; in time and money, just to tinker. because, they don't understand they'll resort to attacking you like this.
 
wrangler said:
Kyle says that microstutter only exists in the forums.
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Only reason I posted that is because there were a lot of people suggesting that testing methods should include a way to detect microstutter or reviews should say whether or not the reviewer experienced microstutter. Not looking like thats going to happen at the [H].
I didn't post it to say that God had spoken.

That said, I've had 6800GT SLI, 7800GTX SLI, 7950GX2 and 4870 Crossfire and have never experienced anything like what people describe as microstutter.

I have seen a lot of forum discussions including discussions where people went so far as to use fraps to detect the minute timing differences that they say are indicitive of microstutter and that evidence is compelling. Hard to argue with math.

However, like I said earlier, I have had 4 dual gpu systems on 4 different platforms (3 Nvidia chipsets, 1 Intel chipset, 2 with AMD cpu's and 2 with Intel cpu's) and have never seen it.
 
wrangler said:
Only reason I posted that is because there were a lot of people suggesting that testing methods should include a way to detect microstutter or reviews should say whether or not the reviewer experienced microstutter. Not looking like thats going to happen at the [H].
I didn't post it to say that God had spoken.

That said, I've had 6800GT SLI, 7800GTX SLI, 7950GX2 and 4870 Crossfire and have never experienced anything like what people describe as microstutter.

I have seen a lot of forum discussions including discussions where people went so far as to use fraps to detect the minute timing differences that they say are indicitive of microstutter and that evidence is compelling. Hard to argue with math.

However, like I said earlier, I have had 4 dual gpu systems on 4 different platforms (3 Nvidia chipsets, 1 Intel chipset, 2 with AMD cpu's and 2 with Intel cpu's) and have never seen it.
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i didn't notice this microstutter phenomenon until i fired up asymmetric(16/4) 2900xt crossfire on a p35 board. at the time i didn't know how to describe it other than poor performance. it was while playing cod4 on the mission where you attack the missile silos. at the beginning of the stage, you chute down into a snowy wooded area. the snowfall looked much slower with cf enabled than when it was disabled, even though the frame rate counter was higher with cf on. i never noticed it with any of my previous multi gpu builds from the older generation cards. likewise, i don't notice it with this current generation of cards; the ati 48xx series and nvidia gtx 2xx series. just a shot in the dark, but perhaps microstutter is has something to do with how modern game engines work. these day's every engine is built upon deferred shading. i guess right up until graw everything else was vertex, geometry, and pixel shading.
 
xp3nd4bl3 said:
To me the 3870x2 quad and 9800gx2 quad were the absolute worst setups. My dual GTX 280 setup is awesome. I really only notice the micro-stuttering in the really bad parts of Crysis. I'm almost tempted to pick up a 3rd GTX 280 because I've been so impressed with it. I was also essentially unable to discern any microstuttering on the 4870x2, though I observed NO performance gain by adding a 2nd card for quad crossfire.

Because of my recent obsession with multi GPU setups I'm absolutely dying for the Lucid Hydra to come out. I'll pay essentially any cost for a motherboard or add-in card with the technology. Even if it doesn't work as well as advertised I'm really anxious to play around with it.
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here's why I think you're either full of it or just plain stupid. If you experienced microstutter on your 9800gx2 and 3870x2 why in the world would you buy another one of each to experience it even more?

I think like someone else is suggesting it's mostly ram issues. Also can be issues with different pcie speeds with the older ati cards. Games stutter, especially when you push them and your hardware to it's limits.

I say this again if this is the real problem people are experiencing then why didn't Ati and Nvidia scream from the mountain tops they have fixed it like so many seem to be claiming they have for the most part with there newest cards?
 
And incase anyone missed it, micro-stutter is where a game is maintaining good fps and not accessing your hdd and yet the game stutters/jerks/hiccups/pauses split second... etc etc.
 
NEVERLIFT said:
how about you fucking do it yourself
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how can I do it if i dont know what the fuck you are talking about? so was it the FC 2 review or not that you are referring to their rant? how about trying not to act like an ass this time.
 
cannondale06 said:
how can I do it if i dont know what the fuck you are talking about? so was it the FC 2 review or not that you are referring to their rant. how about trying not to act like an ass this time.
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your the ass :rolleyes:

in real life if you cursed me I would just kick your ass and be done with it.... but on this forum I'm just gonna ignor you :mad:


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and trust me I like to dance ;)

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NEVERLIFT said:
your the ass :rolleyes:

in real life if you cursed me I would just kick your ass and be done with it.... but on this forum I'm just gonna ignor you :mad:
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sure you would tough guy. you said that Anandtech ranted and I would like to know where they did that so i can read it. I asked you if it was part of the FC 2 review and all you can do is roll your eyes and act like a smartass. what exactly is your problem?do you really lack the ability to answer a simple question?
 
cannondale06 said:
sure you would tough guy. you said that Anandtech ranted and I would like to know where they did that so i can read it. I asked you if it was part of the FC 2 review and all you can do is roll your eyes and act like a smartass. what exactly is your problem?do you really lack the ability to answer a simple question?
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No it was the you went about asking.
 
NEVERLIFT said:
ya because it was a rant more than a review, imho
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thats what I was trying to find out. why couldnt you have just said that in the first place? based on your comment I didnt know if you were referring to that article or not. so what I originally said still stands because the stuttering in Far Cry 2 is not a microstutter issue. now I still dont understand if you think that Anandtechs complaints are stupid are not.
 
Wow...what the hell happened here? Do we really need Internet Tough Guys in a microstutter thread (with "photographic evidence" of Internet Tough Guy-ery, no less)? I mean, really?
 
Haven't seen it yet with overclocked GTX 260 Tri-SLi on X58. Then again they're supported by 6Gb ram, massive bandwidth and a 3.91GHz i7 920 on Vista x64 SP1.
 
They both decided to take a few days off and hone their interpersonal skills ;)

phide said:
Wow...what the hell happened here? Do we really need Internet Tough Guys in a microstutter thread (with "photographic evidence" of Internet Tough Guy-ery, no less)? I mean, really?
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phide said:
Wow...what the hell happened here? Do we really need Internet Tough Guys in a microstutter thread (with "photographic evidence" of Internet Tough Guy-ery, no less)? I mean, really?
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Hey the Internwebs man, it's serious stuff :D
 
NEVERLIFT said:
your the ass :rolleyes:

in real life if you cursed me I would just kick your ass and be done with it.... but on this forum I'm just gonna ignor you :mad:


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and trust me I like to dance ;)

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You are so powerful. I am in awe. I am sure you have plenty of worshippers, however.

Complete awe.












Really.


P.S. Proof of "microstuttering" would be grand.
 
I have a EVGA 9800GX2(paired with a FX-62 and 2gb ram on XP 32bit). At first I didn't believe that microstutter existed. Then I started HL2 EP2 and got very good fps(60+ constant), it was smooth but approximately every 5 or so seconds the FPS would dip very low for about 1 second. So although for the most part it was smooth, I would feel a slight jerk every 5 seconds. Trying cl_showfps 1 in the console confirmed my suspicions, the fps was indeed dipping down every few seconds. I never had this with my 8800GT.

I have yet to notice it in any other game.
 
Bazooka, what you're referring to there is most likely not microstuttering, but rather something else. Microstuttering should be noticeable all the time at lower framerates( shouldn't be noticeable at higher fps though ), and you shouldn't notice a drop on your fps counter. Sounds more like your video card's memory is being filled or something, or it could simply be a problem with the SLI-profile for the game. Are you using higher settings/resolution than on your single 8800GT?

When you have an SLI or Crossfire setup, each GPU creates one frame then sends it to the monitor. Where a single card will be very consistent with how long it takes between two frames, there will be alot more variation with a dual-GPU setup. This creates the 'micro-stuttering' issue, mostly detectable at lower frame rates where the video cards are struggling and the time inbetween frames get longer. Even single-GPU video cards does have some variation, but while it's measureable it's not noticeable by the human eye. Your problem seems to be very different, however.
 
To the OP, I guess that you ask this because you said in my hot deal thread that you are interested with the 2GB HD 4850 X2. I just want to tell you that the card is not at $330 anymore but already at $290 AR!!!
 
I have had the 9800gx2 as well as the hd4870x2 and so far I still haven't been able to see what microstuttering is. If I limit fps to say 55 do you think I'll be able to notice it?
 
Wow Majordomo wasnt kidding about 3 day bans.

Bring on more stupid threads with buff pics of people arguing over microstutter!
 
Sycraft said:
Hey the Internwebs man, it's serious stuff :D
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from a much older thread:
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On MS:
Those who don't notice it should view it as a blessing in disguise. Imagine that if you can precieve much higher speeds than most people. Life will suck since you will be annoyed by CRT/TV flickering and fluorescent lights.
 
Raap said:
Bazooka, what you're referring to there is most likely not microstuttering, but rather something else. Microstuttering should be noticeable all the time at lower framerates( shouldn't be noticeable at higher fps though ),.
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According to this statement, microstutter = low framerate.....

It also seems like this thread needs to closed, getting out of hand in the silly department.
 
Someone try a 7950gx2 and tell me that 60fps feels smooth. Please. I bought a new video card tonight because I was sick of 60 feeling like 15.

It exists. Either as a result of bad drivers, hardware, or placebo in some cases (I've reinstalled drivers to see the problem vanish, then come back later. I hate it. )

Is it a big deal? Not as long as you turn on Vsync and triple buffering. In almost all cases, that kills it.
 
NEVERLIFT said:
your the ass :rolleyes:

in real life if you cursed me I would just kick your ass and be done with it.... but on this forum I'm just gonna ignor you :mad:


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and trust me I like to dance ;)

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LMAO

What are you gonna do, Fat him to death?

go on a diet, get some rogaine. stop posting.

These 3 simple steps will better your life.
 
OKAY Since everyone in this thread has TOTALLY fucking ignored let me reiterate the laws of the hardforum for you all, since the admins word seems to fly over your heads.

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From this point forward any member who disregards this notice will receive and AUTOMATIC BAN for 3 days....repeating the offense will not be a good career move.

This will be the only warning you will receive, so don't come crying when you are banned for disrespectful actions.

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Quoted at verbatim. What the hell people. With this many stupid comments, those 3 days are going to go to permanents pretty quickly. Smarten up if you want to stay. Kyle hates this shit. Trust me.

And I swear, if you want to call me a brown noser, do it in PM's. Stop wasting time.
 
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