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backwards compatibility is already implemented but you must have a hard drive on your Xbox 360.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm
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Steve said:
Plus it only emulates an xbox, it does not have the hardware to run xbox games, it's com;letely emulated and all games do not work. The webpage escapes me. When I find it I'll post it here.
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xbox360 -->500$
32" LCD HDTV --> $~2000?
hrm... i'm stickin with the computer upgrade. bring on the revolution.
32" LCD HDTV --> $~2000?
hrm... i'm stickin with the computer upgrade. bring on the revolution.
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You're quite welcome. I apparently hit a nerve. BTW, please don't use direct quotes for something I didn't phrase in that way. I did say "muddled" (it was), asked if it was hurriedly done, and never said "poorly edited". You're taking three separate posts and putting them together.Steve said:
The reason I asked about how you obtained the XBox 360 (which wasn't answered by you) was to ascertain how much time you had to review the console. It's been the position of HardOCP in the past to take time with reviews and get it right, rather than get it first. All I'm asking is for more information on the review process on this particular console before I pass judgement.
Check your math Steve. MS is *NOT* shipping a million consoles to the US. Business Week has stated "Although there is no official figure, analysts have pegged the initial shipment in the U.S. as somewhere between 400,000 and 700,000 units." None of the stores received the numbers from what they expected from MS, thus to get a XBox 360, you had to wait in line for several hours. If you didn't get one last night, no one is sure when the next shipment is coming. To top it off, MS is stretching their limited supply to Europe on Dec. 2nd and Japan Dec. 10th. Chris Liddell, Microsoft's chief financial officer, told analysts last month that the worldwide Xbox 360 supply should catch up to demand sometime in the first half of next year. I didn't say it was a paper launch. My exact quote was "HardOCP makes a big deal about paper launches and availability". I am saying that the MS allocation strategy causing low availability should be questioned.
The "It is only DAY 1" comment, I'm not sure that holds true for you. It is for the general public, but I suspect you've had this unit for longer. That goes back as to how [H] obtained the review unit and how long you had to do this evaluation.
Steve, don't take this the wrong way, but the evaluation was just average. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't spectacular either. With an important product launch, I expected better from [H]. You've raised the bar and expectations. Would you want anything less? After the past stellar reviews, editorials and evaulations this article isn't quite as good. That's all.
Kyle wanted some feedback and constructive criticism and I've given it to you.
Quick question:
Steve do you plan to update interoprability with Windows Media connect to give some readers some idea of what they can expect (PIcs & Music for sure Video streaming not so sure) & also its interoperability with Windows MCE these are highly touted features & I am sure a lot of people would love to know. I for one would love to know if this would work for streaming vid from XP Pro (however sounds like MCE is needed) or would I be better of with a D-link DMR.
Hope you can help out & good preview BTW
Steve do you plan to update interoprability with Windows Media connect to give some readers some idea of what they can expect (PIcs & Music for sure Video streaming not so sure) & also its interoperability with Windows MCE these are highly touted features & I am sure a lot of people would love to know. I for one would love to know if this would work for streaming vid from XP Pro (however sounds like MCE is needed) or would I be better of with a D-link DMR.
Hope you can help out & good preview BTW
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Torgo said:
Again, thank you for your input. Your concerns, questions and comments are noted.
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blindhope said:
I plan a number of Xbox 360 articles covering that and more. We are only days away from the launch of the new site. including [H]Console.
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Torgo said:
Thanks for your thoughts Chris they are noted.
It was a review kit from a PR company that reprsents Microsoft.
It was not a paper launch, so it was not framed as one. As for availability, we will see what it looks like a week down the road as we are only 15 hours into the launch.
No offense, but that was as sugar coated and superfluous a review as I have seen in some time. I've been a console/game reviewer and playtester for over 4 years. I'm sorry, but that "review" seems to be very light on actual facts and filled with marketing and hype quotes from MS. These are the kinds of reviews I tend to see from first-time reviewers who are so happy to get a game or a system for free that they gush over them rather than being objective in any way.
I'm not trolling, or flamebaiting, but honestly that review was very "review-lite" and doesn't hold much real value. The marketplace system is overpriced with a piss-poor pricing scheme in place and it was given a golden pass. Two games were covered, the only two that have any "legs" and of them PGR3 is the only top title. Kameo really equates to a button masher and will not hold up once the hype and shine wears off. The system is still large and the power requirements are pretty obscene for a system that is to be left on 24/7 as a media center. Over 200W and heat issues are a concern no matter who you are. I'm not bashing the 360 either, just pointing out the cons that just so happened to be LEFT OUT of this "review" so conspicuously.
I'm not trolling, or flamebaiting, but honestly that review was very "review-lite" and doesn't hold much real value. The marketplace system is overpriced with a piss-poor pricing scheme in place and it was given a golden pass. Two games were covered, the only two that have any "legs" and of them PGR3 is the only top title. Kameo really equates to a button masher and will not hold up once the hype and shine wears off. The system is still large and the power requirements are pretty obscene for a system that is to be left on 24/7 as a media center. Over 200W and heat issues are a concern no matter who you are. I'm not bashing the 360 either, just pointing out the cons that just so happened to be LEFT OUT of this "review" so conspicuously.
bruenor said:
And you don't feel that console launches in general are a bit "lite"? As Kyle pointed out, we aren't even a full day into launch. I can seem to remember traditionally launch has been kind of weak in the playability department. The PS2, as I am sure you remember had 30 launch titles. How many of those did you really want to play?
Launch is about getting a product into the consumers hand, the actual utilization of the hardware comes later, in some cases much later.
If you truly want honest evidence of what the Xbox can do you are going to have to wait for the devs to make solid titles that use all the hardware.
Prim3 said:
Sorry to burst your Sony bubble, dude... but it looks like you're SOL for PS3's online. Expect it to be the same as PS2's online (i.e. shitty) http://www.ps3today.com/Blogs/News/hqs/blr_870.aspx
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In general, yes they are lite. But this is HardOCP. This isn't Day One for HardOCP since this is one of the review kits, so I know that it's been a few days in the hands of the reviewers. As others have pointed out, the case wasn't even cracked open. Now, that may be because the unit needed to be shipped back, but an explanation on why it wasn't done (as it was with the Phantom console for example) would have headed off any such comments. The worst part is that the expectation was set up in the opening paragraph that stated "On November 17th, 2001, the day the original Xbox launched we were the first Web site to completely disassemble the console and give you a firsthand look at the inside of Microsoft’s new console." So on November 22nd, 2005, it wasn't opened nor any photos of a nekkid console were shown. Going back and re-reading the Sneak Peek written in May shows it's a much better article than the one done last night. The Sneak Peek at least had one nudie shot of the innerds.Rich Tate said:
For the record, I hardly disagree with anything in the evalution. I just wanted more. That more is based on the past fine and wonderful articles written on the first Xbox release and the Sneak Peek done in May. I ask all forum members to go back and re-read those articles (they're linked on the first page of the 360 eval article) and judge for yourself. And yes, I do eventually want to get my own 360... if they ever become available.
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Very excellent eval..Thanks Steve!!
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Wish I didn't have to wait until christmas.
Seth Fogie describes how to disassemble your Xbox 360 on Informit.com, including a video showing it stripped down in 5 minutes. He also includes detailed photos of the internals to go along with his step-by-step instructions for taking it apart. Pretty cool, and if we're going to void our warranties we might as well see how not to destroy the unit while taking it apart!
Now I'm waiting for some mods to hit the internets.
Xbox 360 Exposed at Informit.com
Now I'm waiting for some mods to hit the internets.
Xbox 360 Exposed at Informit.com
I wasn't bashing the 360 and I made that clear, what I am not so pleased with was the review. It was very much like a plug and much unlike a fair and unbiased review. I'm sure they've had this system for quite some time, as I've had access to one for about three or four weeks now. I think everyone here is pretty much saying the same thing. The article was too lite on in-depth information and too full of MS quotes and really just sunshine and lolipops.
In any review you really need to cover some down sides, nothing is perfect and by NOT doing that you come off as a happy schoolboy smitten because he has a new toy. Like I said, i'm not detracting from what was said.. except the game reviews, those were abysmal. Kameo is not that good, to make the claims that were made you must have not been playing the same game as me or many others. It is a plain button masher. PGR3 is decent, but also not quite the be-all-end-all in graphics or play. It is the best of whats available, and whats available ain't much. Like was said the PS2 did ship with 30 titles, the 360 isn't even close and there were a number of very good launch titles on the PS2.
The cost of development for the 360 is very high and the timeframes are longer than ever before, that means that the total number of releases over the lifespan of the system will be unprecedentedly low with long lag times of no releases. This is the one area everyone is glossing over and it drives me crazy. Also with such high costs you can be sure only "safe" titles see daylight, and this is NOT a good thing for any real gamer. King Kong's and movie licenses and other formulaic titles will grow old quickly, graphics only go so far.
In any review you really need to cover some down sides, nothing is perfect and by NOT doing that you come off as a happy schoolboy smitten because he has a new toy. Like I said, i'm not detracting from what was said.. except the game reviews, those were abysmal. Kameo is not that good, to make the claims that were made you must have not been playing the same game as me or many others. It is a plain button masher. PGR3 is decent, but also not quite the be-all-end-all in graphics or play. It is the best of whats available, and whats available ain't much. Like was said the PS2 did ship with 30 titles, the 360 isn't even close and there were a number of very good launch titles on the PS2.
The cost of development for the 360 is very high and the timeframes are longer than ever before, that means that the total number of releases over the lifespan of the system will be unprecedentedly low with long lag times of no releases. This is the one area everyone is glossing over and it drives me crazy. Also with such high costs you can be sure only "safe" titles see daylight, and this is NOT a good thing for any real gamer. King Kong's and movie licenses and other formulaic titles will grow old quickly, graphics only go so far.
chingon! said:
USB keyboards will work just fine on the X360, but only for text entry. Gamepads are the only things you'll be playing games with, from now until the end of its life.
Bruenor, while I disagree with you on a couple points, I fully agree with your assesment of development costs and development time. I've been posting all kinds of articles in the past few weeks from DEVELOPERS warning those things, and Iwata/Miyamoto from Nintendo are the most vocal of the bunch. Specter, Wright, and many other big names are saying the same thing. It is going to seriously suck to be a gamer in the near future if something isn't done... unless you like all of EAs titles.
bruenor said:
My opinion of the PS2 lauch was that it too was pretty dismal. This is not to say that a couple monthes later I did not go out to buy a PS2 because there were certain titles I was a big fan of coming out. That was my opinion, as are all games really. You may like something I don't and vice versa.
bruenor said:
Only time will tell on that issue. You have to remember that this round of the console battle is going to be heaped with alot of competition. That is good for gamers, and you may be pleasantly surprised.
Thank you for taking the time to respond, we appreciate the feedback.
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Rich, it happened the first time four years ago in the first 24 hours as the new evaluation pointed out. Add to the fact that the 360 has been in reviewers hands for more than 24 hours (going on the assumption [H] received theirs on or around Friday like most other press) so it was more than possible.Rich Tate said:
Secondly, an editor should rise above the fray and not take a cheap shot with a comment "I anxiously await your review on the 360". C'mon Rich. PM me or stick with Kyle's and Steve's last comments along the lines of "Thank you for your feedback". I have a hunch that Kyle disagrees with me, but he'll take it up with me personally later.
If you really want my review of the 360, I'll give you one. Just give me a review unit, since I don't think that MS is going to make many more shipments available. I'm more than up for the challenge.
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I`ve just read the review again and I feel I must agree with some of the points raised.
This isnt a great review FOR HARDOCP. for some other sites it would be great, but since when do you rush out a review just to get it out quickly ?, I always admire your reviews for the detailed testing you do and in depth reports on issues.
This one does seem like you wanted to get it published ASAP, without answering many of the points you raised in the article.
If you look at this objectively, it is not a great HARDOCP review.
This isnt a great review FOR HARDOCP. for some other sites it would be great, but since when do you rush out a review just to get it out quickly ?, I always admire your reviews for the detailed testing you do and in depth reports on issues.
This one does seem like you wanted to get it published ASAP, without answering many of the points you raised in the article.
If you look at this objectively, it is not a great HARDOCP review.
Torgo said:Rich, it happened the first time four years ago in the first 24 hours as the new evaluation pointed out. Add to the fact that the 360 has been in reviewers hands for more than 24 hours (going on the assumption [H] received theirs on or around Friday like most other press) so it was more than possible.
Secondly, an editor should rise above the fray and not take a cheap shot with a comment "I anxiously await your review on the 360". C'mon Rich. PM me or stick with Kyle's and Steve's last comments along the lines of "Thank you for your feedback". I have a hunch that Kyle disagrees with me, but he'll take it up with me personally later.
If you really want my review of the 360, I'll give you one. Just give me a review unit, since I don't think that MS is going to make many more shipments available. I'm more than up for the challenge.
Forgive me if I have offended you, I was not trying to make an insult. Believe me I read each evaluation of these things regardless if it is on a major hardware review site or written by a member of our forums. When I said I was anxiously awaiting your review, I meant it. I'll be curious to see what your thoughts are.
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Just wanted to respond publicly to let everyone else know that I'm not offended Rich. Nah, I'm just one of those regular readers that pushes his favorite site to always exceed it's grasp. I'm taking my conversations to PMs with the editors so that I don't take this whole thread off track.
It's all good, although I suspect I'm about to get slammed with a custom title.
It's all good, although I suspect I'm about to get slammed with a custom title.
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Very good review, short and straight to the point , the way I like it .I am also very interested in the divx/xvid playback capability.
Yea this review wasnt the greatest but **** it who cares, I enjoyed it and have no qualms with it. You nooblets just hold onto diapers and wait for the rest of the reviews/evals/articles to get released. It seems people are starting to create some holy past view of hardocp and choose nothing to critize the most frivilous things about the recent reviews. I particulary liked the "lite" feel to it because like someone else already mentioned.... theres enough xbox hype as it is.
Games look great to me, & i have cash to get both systems but right now NFS:MW looks sick on my PC still and i will wait till ps3 drops and look out for any rumored price drops for 360. Till then my money goes my transition from AGP to PCI-e. So, good review - keep em coming
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Games look great to me, & i have cash to get both systems but right now NFS:MW looks sick on my PC still and i will wait till ps3 drops and look out for any rumored price drops for 360. Till then my money goes my transition from AGP to PCI-e. So, good review - keep em coming
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bruenor said:
I'm sorry...but I have to ask. You said yourself your a console/game reveiwer for the past 4 years. My question is....with the above quoted....how can you write an honest review with all of that bias information? I mean no harm by asking...
That is why I read [H]ardOCP's reviews. They make unbias and straightforward reviews. This is basically a preview for all of us that don't have the system yet....so chill....another article is coming
$400 system bundleVinster said:
+$100 wireless adapter (to be all wireless)
+$60 per game (on average)
+$60/yr live subscription
+$12.50 per 1000 marketplace points
+$?? music service (?)
+$?? movie service (?)
Hell of a lot more than $300 they will be advertising (core system).
Perhaps I'm just over-reacting, but the Xbox 360 seems to be designed to suck as much money out of you as possible. I know you don't have to buy all this stuff, but still. It's something that's going to need money every month, it seems.