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Microsoft Sets Windows 7 Pricing, Upgrade Programs
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JayteeBates
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If you let your sub expire your already installed copies continue to work afaik. And you get more than just Win7 and office - you get Everything.
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I plan to get at least Professional, mainly for the added network capabilities.
I'm seriously considering it.
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Vista => Win7rc went flawlessly.
I didn't read all 5 pages but are they now just having 32bit and 64 bit in the same box, I know with Vista they made 1 cd but that had Basic to Ultimate on it, is it the same with the 32 and 64 bit now?
32 and 64 are both included in all packages. I did a search around the Internet and people on Amazon were asking and several guys did the legwork. There should be 2 DVDs.
People had asked MS directly and posted it. Not just random hearsay.
You can download the RC and try it. Weither or not it will be of any real use it based on each users needs. If you have a program that only runs under XP then yes it has use, if you don't then no it doesn't.
We have a 16-bit app that we use at work that won't run correctly under Vista and requires that those users be kept at XP right now. I tested it and seen that it did work under XP mode, so that would be a fix for those people. When windows 7 comes out I could install the 64-bit version of 7 on their machines to let them utilize their hardware to the max, while still letting them be able to run that old ass POS software.
However others might be able to run every single program they have just fine under 7 and have 0 need for XP mode. So in the end, only you can say if it is going to be of any use for you.
So then it will be like Vista Ultimate. That was the only one as far as I knew that came with both the 32-bit and 64-bit. Thats good.
Menelmarar
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It's not released, therefore noone can test it to post a guide.
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One quick note about Technet - it is for evaluation purposes and not to be used on production machines. So no you can't buy technet and upgrade all your companies PC's to Win7 from XP. You can use technet to install Win7 on some random spare boxes you have and verify everything works in your environment.
I also happen to have a sub personally and use it for all my home PC's. It's legit because I run all the same stuff I do at work and I check things out there before I ever launch anything new at work. The side benefit of having legit copies of server, win7, office etc as needed at my house is just awesome =)
Plus...the most valuable thing you get out of a sub is the two tech support calls. I had an issue with an application I wrote dealing with the security event log that I had to call in about and it took them about 3 days to figure it out but wow...the service was unparalleled.
I had full access (direct numbers etc) to the rep I was dealing with, he followed up constantly and was never in a rush. He did have to go and get assistance on some specific points but it was to actual MS devs and not some book! I asked him what the ticket would have cost had it not been on one of my free support calls from my technet sub...he said I was at the $400/hr level of support with my particular issue. ~3 hours a day over 3 or 4 days at $400/hour...thats a friggin lot.
I also happen to have a sub personally and use it for all my home PC's. It's legit because I run all the same stuff I do at work and I check things out there before I ever launch anything new at work. The side benefit of having legit copies of server, win7, office etc as needed at my house is just awesome =)
Plus...the most valuable thing you get out of a sub is the two tech support calls. I had an issue with an application I wrote dealing with the security event log that I had to call in about and it took them about 3 days to figure it out but wow...the service was unparalleled.
I had full access (direct numbers etc) to the rep I was dealing with, he followed up constantly and was never in a rush. He did have to go and get assistance on some specific points but it was to actual MS devs and not some book! I asked him what the ticket would have cost had it not been on one of my free support calls from my technet sub...he said I was at the $400/hr level of support with my particular issue. ~3 hours a day over 3 or 4 days at $400/hour...thats a friggin lot.
Do those prices include all taxes? If so, how much of the price is VAT (and if there are other taxes then add those in).
I'm guessing it's still more, than the U.S., but what can you do?
My suggestion is visit the U.S. in October, buy a bunch of software and sell it in britain for 50% more....it'll pay for your trip and then some
I ordered from amazon. I guess ill have to deal with the upgrade issues... 49.99 is too good of a deal to pass up. Free shipping, no taxes.
the MS store was offering a download or for the retail dvd and 5 dollars shipping, and tax.
I figure if it becomes that big of a hassle ill buy another copy.. ive got more than one pc that could use it around here.
the MS store was offering a download or for the retail dvd and 5 dollars shipping, and tax.
I figure if it becomes that big of a hassle ill buy another copy.. ive got more than one pc that could use it around here.
I've had a few times where something was messed up and all of my restore points disappeared (I think it may be my MB, but I'm not sure)...luckily, I have a few different images, so I really don't lose much when this happens...heck, even if I go back almost a year, I lose virtually nothing.
If you mean using the RC, although I don't recall trying it, I believe you run the installer from inside of Vista or 7. In that case, of course, you never enter the key MS gave you and it will nag you, and take away your wallpaper, after 30 days.
Due to my aforementioned issues, I haven't installed 7 since the beta --I don't want to tempt fate -- but I'm pretty sure that would work.
Correct, you are not breaking the spririt of the EULA as long as you do not use your old version of XP or Vista on another machine. However many people think that is a valid way to get away from having to have a previous version of Windows, or to not have to give up their old license. People use it as a way to get a full copy but at the upgrade price. I doubt Microsoft is really concerned about it. Getting you to at least buy a upgrade copy then trick it to be a full version still gives them money. So they would rather you did that then go and pirate the software.
and yes you did state it requires 2 installs, I was just trying to make it clear that method still doesn't gain you anything as it requires 2 installs just like installing XP then 7, or Vista then 7 and that 2 installs is the only way to do an upgrade as you can't boot to the DVD and select upgrade, that the upgrade button ony works if you are booted into windows. That was posted as a repsonse to you response to my post about how you had to already have XP or Vista installed to be able to start the upgrade process. Although actually I should have just said a valid OS for an upgrade path as you can go from 7 to 7 also as long as you are staying in the same version (repair install) or upgrading from 32-bit to 64-bit, or just upgrading versions. But either way, you still need to have some OS on there in some form to start an upgrade process of any type.[/QUOTE]
after it's released (or at least RTM), read Ed Bott's column...he'll have something.
With that said, if you have a copy of the OS on your machine, as I recall, you'll be able to do a clean install by booting from the DVD....it'll install it on a new drive or move your current installation into a windows.old directory...not sure what it does with old programs.
One thing that makes all of this less painful is if you move your Documents, Pictures Videos and so on to a separate partition or drive.
The key is to go to c:\users\<username>\ and move the Documents, Desktop, Favorites et. al., to wherever you like. (I just made d:\Users\<username> directory up front.
Windows will know that you moved.
Alternatively, for a fresh install, you could create those directories on some other drive and then use mklink /d to create a symbolic link to the new folders.
The only advantage, that I can think of, to the latter is for poorly written programs (and there are a few of them) that hard code the drive and/or assume a directory must be on C:\
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I play older games too (been playing tons of Baldur's Gate II and Heroes of Might and Magic 3), but I've had luck with everything running under WinXP compatibility mode, or older games (like Betrayal at Krondor), using DOS box.
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Ill try to wait until the full retail Ultimate price cools down from $319 to $219
Look finally another person that will actually admit it is for eval only and not for you to upgrade an entire company or your entire home network. Welcome to the club. Be warned though that you might get attacked for not agreeing with the rest that we are wrong about the use of the software.
However even your use of the software really isn't correct. You are not suppose to use the technet software for testing apps that you are programming. that is what MSDN is for.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/dd362338.aspx
Although you first part there is correct. It is meant to be installed on a spare machine to test to functionality and make sure all your programs will work together. And so that you can see what the new software looks like.
System restore points and back ups are different. System restore points only store registry / system data. they don't backup any of your personal data. I was refering to a full system backup using the backup and restore utility.
Not sure what you are refering too in your second part there, maybe you didn't understand what I was talking about. For windows 7 they moved the part where you enter the CD-key. For Vista you entered it in toward the begining of the install, that was how it knew what version to install. However for windows 7 they have moved that. Now you enter the key after Windows has fully installed and you are at your first boot, it is one of the things that you do now when you name the computer and create a user account. Since windows is already installed that means that the key can no longer be used to determine which version you are installing on the computer. That means that they must be coming up with a different way for windows 7. That would either be to ask you at the start which version you are wanting to install then if you don't have a valid key then bitch about it after you install the wrong version. Or they would actually need to make a DVD that is only Home Basic Upgrade, one that is only Home Basic Full, one that is only Home Premium Upgrade.....
http://www.amazon.com/NOT-you-have-..._encoding=UTF8&asin=B002DHGM50&store=software
Interesting discussion I ran into on Amazon of all places about folks with OEM copies of Vista pre installed on machines might run into some hiccups installing Windows 7 upgrades. That discussion is worth reading and I'd like to see people's takes here.
Interesting discussion I ran into on Amazon of all places about folks with OEM copies of Vista pre installed on machines might run into some hiccups installing Windows 7 upgrades. That discussion is worth reading and I'd like to see people's takes here.
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Actually, Technet is for learning about the software. Whether that learning is for developing software, setting up complex networks or just learning how Vista works is irrelevant.
I could easily argue that if someone sets up a relative's computer with <insert os and/or apps> that that person could use those remote systems to learn about remote help, or setting up a server 2008 network with remote sites.
The main thing that MS is trying to avoid is people buying Technet and using it for commercial purposes, which might mean selling machines with those licenses, selling the licenses themselves, or using them at a business on employee machines.
I'm aware of the difference between a back up and system restore, but when my OS get's messed up, it has no impact on my data. If the System restore points hadn't disapeared, I could have used that utility and fixed things. Since they were gone, a restore from image was the only choice. Nevertheless, if I had to restore from an image from last september, I'd lose almost nothing.
1. You could always selected which version of vista to install. Entering a key was optional. The version you selected is what was installed. If you didn't have a key for that version, then in 30 days, some features might be disabled (I know the wallpaper whent to black).
With 7, every install on a given piece of hardware is identical. If you install Home Basic, it's the same install as when you install the Ultimate 7. Your key simply determines which features are available to you.
This is no different than if you installed a Nortel Wireless switch. My switch has a feature that allows a single phone to be addressed by multiple phone numbers. Your switch doesn't. Both switches have the software to perform that feature.
I think the notable thing for most users is XP mode. It comes with Professional, doesn't come with Home. Being able to host a remote desktop is another thing that some people might find useful.
Here is a handy comparison chart that I linked earlier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions
Anyone?
This is kind of important to me because when I bought my rig from Maingear I had Vista 64 installed and I'm almost 100 percent sure that's an OEM Vista 64 so this directly applies to me.
Can I buy the Windows 7 upgrade and be on my way clean or do I have to buy the "full system" and go from the ground up?
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I really wish there was an edit function around here. I should learn to read a little more carefully: Outlets like Maingear are set to take care of their customers on something like this.
That and domain joining are the biggest.
Does anyone know if there is full XBox 360 Compatibility (Media Center) with Windows 7 Professional? For Vista, only Vista Home Premium and Ultimate have full Windows Media Center Capability, which is a pain. I need Professional for work and would rather not be forced to get Ultimate.
Yes. All of Home Premium's features are a subset of the featuers in Professional.
Thanks.
Do those prices include all taxes? If so, how much of the price is VAT (and if there are other taxes then add those in).
I'm guessing it's still more, than the U.S., but what can you do?
My suggestion is visit the U.S. in October, buy a bunch of software and sell it in britain for 50% more....it'll pay for your trip and then some
Yeah, it doesn't say, but I'd assume it includes VAT (UK national sales tax for those that aren't familiar with it) which is currently 15%
Heh, I think it'd still take a hell of a lot of copies to pay for air fare over the Atlantic, enough to raise eyebrows in customs, although it may be safer than smuggling cigarettes.
It does raise the question though, how straightforward is it to just buy a copy from amazon.com instead of amazon.co.uk? Anyone know if theres any wierd restrictions on that?
I posted a link to show what Microsoft says are the intented uses of the software. It clearly states that that you can't (or should I say are not suppose to) use Technet for testing software you are developing.
"Use Microsoft software to understand features to make usage, deployment or purchase recommendations or decisions." Technet is yes, MSDN is no
"Install Microsoft software for use as a test environment for applications you or others are building." Technet is no, MSDN is yes
From what i have read on other sites, you should be able to use the OEM version just fine.
http://social.answers.microsoft.com.../thread/07e0d9a3-48ab-4900-b61c-39b5546d7f54/
I stand corrected.