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Microsoft Relaunches Copilot

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… “for Business With Free AI Chat and Pay-As-You-Go Agents

the full Microsoft 365 Copilot experience -- requiring a $30 per user per month subscription. These agents are designed to work like virtual colleagues and can do things like monitor email inboxes or automate a series of tasks.

You'll be able to create and use agents using Copilot Studio, use agents that rely on web data, and even use agents grounded on work data through the Microsoft graph. The usage of agents with Copilot Chat will be priced through the Copilot Studio meter in Azure or through a pay-as-you-go option.“
Source: https://slashdot.org/story/25/01/15...ss-with-free-ai-chat-and-pay-as-you-go-agents
 
its just a rebranding and its still shit. i dont know why my head office is paying for it for all of us....
 
pendragon1 said:
its just a rebranding and its still shit. i dont know why my head office is paying for it for all of us....
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Your training your replacement.
$30 per user a month... seems like a low investment. If the payout out in 2-3 years is a 10% staff reduction.
Say 100 staff. 3 years at 50k average each = 15m ---- 108k over 3 years to MS for you to all have AI watching you work. Maybe helping making you a bit more efficient. --- 3 years from now they reduce 100 to 90 staff. 500k in annual savings - 32k a year to MS to continue with the AI stuff for 90 staff.

Worse case they are out 108k over 3 years, and they write it off as a capital expense no different form any other sub/lease/software purchase. Seems like a low risk bet on potential high reward.
 
jfreund said:
Wow - I can't wait to try Copilot!!!

Said no one ever.
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https://www.ciocoverage.com/pharma-...and-limited-value-sparking-industry-concerns/

A pharmaceutical company decided to discontinue using Microsoft’s Copilot AI tool, with an executive pointing to its high cost and limited value. After deploying Office 365 Copilot for 500 employees, the company found it underwhelming, likening its performance to that of middle-school presentations. In response, Microsoft is considering restructuring its 365 licenses to enhance the monetization of AI features, particularly as spending in this area reaches unprecedented levels.
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Lakados said:
We've found it great for helping in prep, it can do outlines that you need to fill in the blanks for and it can assist in complicated spreadsheets when you are having weird formula issues well enough but it is certainly no magic bullet.
It saves time for a handful of people at best and serves as a distraction for most.
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Lakados said:
We've found it great for helping in prep, it can do outlines that you need to fill in the blanks for and it can assist in complicated spreadsheets when you are having weird formula issues well enough but it is certainly no magic bullet.
It saves time for a handful of people at best and serves as a distraction for most.
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Nice try, AI.
 
ChadD said:
Your training your replacement.
$30 per user a month... seems like a low investment. If the payout out in 2-3 years is a 10% staff reduction.
Say 100 staff. 3 years at 50k average each = 15m ---- 108k over 3 years to MS for you to all have AI watching you work. Maybe helping making you a bit more efficient. --- 3 years from now they reduce 100 to 90 staff. 500k in annual savings - 32k a year to MS to continue with the AI stuff for 90 staff.

Worse case they are out 108k over 3 years, and they write it off as a capital expense no different form any other sub/lease/software purchase. Seems like a low risk bet on potential high reward.
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I really enjoy reading how people believe ai will take over everything. Good comedy.
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
I really enjoy reading how people believe ai will take over everything. Good comedy.
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Na it won't take over everything.
It will be pretty good at identifying the useless links. I'm not sure if we should be happy or not about that... sound good till it figures your lazy ass kid is a weak link and now he lives in your basement. lol
 
ChadD said:
Na it won't take over everything.
It will be pretty good at identifying the useless links. I'm not sure if we should be happy or not about that... sound good till it figures your lazy ass kid is a weak link and now he lives in your basement. lol
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My puppers are not weak links!!!

(my pets are my only kids)
 
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I turned it off months ago, it's nice for getting some boilerplate out but it drives me absolutely insane when I'm trying to think and it just blurts out shit I don't want. It's much more useful to use Claude with artifacts and give it some context rather than use these in editor tools. It takes a little longer for me to ask it what I want from it, but it's much better than having it "infer" what I want.
 
I know that AI has it purpose and place but on my personal home computer, not so much. I have yet to derive a purpose that will help me.
 
Decko87 said:
I turned it off months ago, it's nice for getting some boilerplate out but it drives me absolutely insane when I'm trying to think and it just blurts out shit I don't want. It's much more useful to use Claude with artifacts and give it some context rather than use these in editor tools. It takes a little longer for me to ask it what I want from it, but it's much better than having it "infer" what I want.
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It's almost like we're better at predicting what we want our next thought to be than a random cluster of servers is... At least I know I am.
 
Also you can't really "turn off" copilot or I'd be a lot happier. I want the entire background service and code to be OFF. Gone.

This is the kind of stuff that's making people want to use SteamOS as a Windows replacement. And I'm not usually that guy... but MS is quickly turning me into that guy.
 
Evaluating some "ai" tools for an upcoming bit of drudgery that I am not looking forward to. So far, my feeling on how well they work can best be summarized as: "almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea."
 
rufio said:
It's almost like we're better at predicting what we want our next thought to be than a random cluster of servers is... At least I know I am.
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Ai is super amazing, but co-pilot sucks. It's taught me so much way faster than scouring docs or stack overflow could. But yeah, the prediction is just way off sometimes and i have sit and think as to whether or not it's right and I should keep the solution rather than use the one in my head.
 
The only thing I want an MS AI to blurt out for me is how the hell you set up Microsoft Teams Workflows properly because holy crap that is a shit show and the documentation is simultaneously deep and useless.

Also many some of the more advanced features in Excel, since I've had a hard time finding them ever since the switch to ribbon, but I don't use Excel enough anyway. Mostly just to take my CLI generated grepped data and turn it into presentable spreadsheets.

1.1.2.3.5... said:
I really enjoy reading how people believe ai will take over everything. Good comedy.
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I mean, tell that to all of the people in game companies that are getting and will be fired due to the AI centric art and asset development, or all of the writers having to sue for protection from AI derivative work. It's more like, if they can replace you with AI, companies 100% will. It depends on what exactly you do.

If you stop and think about it for like half a second, no jobs are as valuable as you think they are. Anything can be automated with enough effort. AI will shift job safety away from skilled workers in certain industries to just rich people. It's further consolidation of power since they don't have to care about the bottom line going on strike. Job safety might be in how niche your job is, vs how skilled it is.

You're free to not drink the koolaid, but I can easily see it going in this direction.
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
My job is to automate things...i am familiar with the business. I think you're off by a lot, no offense.
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As is mine. I've been automating for over 10 years. And frankly if they had half a brain I can easily see how they would replace my entire organization, almost all of it except the actual frontline workers, with AI processing. I think we are just niche enough that they don't.

Any job that deals solely with data is a trivial thing to start with.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
As is mine. I've been automating for over 10 years. And frankly if they had half a brain I can easily see how they would replace my entire organization, almost all of it except the actual frontline workers, with AI processing. I think we are just niche enough that they don't.

Any job that deals solely with data is a trivial thing to start with.
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Proof is in the pudding, as they say. Another thread to bookmark and revisit to see. So far no automation has removed work. Still waiting for that day to come.

Adding efficiency yes, but that only makes the job more demanding and valuable. Efficiency can be used for work force reduction, and over the next decade we will see some of that, but nothing like you're saying and there's zero reason to think otherwise.
 
erek said:
… “for Business With Free AI Chat and Pay-As-You-Go Agents

the full Microsoft 365 Copilot experience -- requiring a $30 per user per month subscription. These agents are designed to work like virtual colleagues and can do things like monitor email inboxes or automate a series of tasks.

You'll be able to create and use agents using Copilot Studio, use agents that rely on web data, and even use agents grounded on work data through the Microsoft graph. The usage of agents with Copilot Chat will be priced through the Copilot Studio meter in Azure or through a pay-as-you-go option.“
Source: https://slashdot.org/story/25/01/15...ss-with-free-ai-chat-and-pay-as-you-go-agents
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So I'm going to pay Microsoft to train off of me? What in the....?
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
Proof is in the pudding, as they say. Another thread to bookmark and revisit to see. So far no automation has removed work. Still waiting for that day to come.

Adding efficiency yes, but that only makes the job more demanding and valuable. Efficiency can be used for work force reduction, and over the next decade we will see some of that, but nothing like you're saying and there's zero reason to think otherwise.
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"More demanding", sure. They don't need as many people and you're less valuable if anything, because like many things the work itself will be dumbed down with the addition of automation tools, so you might be worked like a slave. If you could do a proper "prompt" for AI to automate a task that you would have to code for, how valuable are your skills? They might be putting you in charge because they do need some oversight, but suddenly your actual skill level is irrelevant.

https://apnews.com/article/hollywoo...intelligence-39ab72582c3a15f77510c9c30a45ffc8
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/econom...on-strike-over-ai-concerns-heres-what-to-know

Generating creative content and performing are two aspects of human culture that are already being threatened, and the video games industry is next, with the direction Nvidia is taking it in. Considering I have people at my work literally relying on AI to generate code (just full scale generate) for them to do certain tasks, do you honestly believe a job as some data automation expert is safe? If anything, I just think they haven't trained the models quite well enough yet, but it could totally get there.

I think the only reason it isn't fully taking off is because no one is brave enough to just fully take the plunge yet. So maybe you're right, in our lifetimes it maybe might not replace us. But it's not because it couldn't.

Anyway sure proof is in the pudding so we'll see later.
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
I use it all the time. More than google at this point. It's totally free and fast and does about as well as other options.

Look mom, im a prompt engineer...haha /wrist
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For me being in I.T, I find it so out dated, incorrect and useless for most of the issues i tend to "google" for.

It is good for small quick things, I agree, basic scripting stuff or a powershell thing here and there, but beyond that, I can find answer quicker searching myself than telling a LLM it is wrong, and wrong again, and wrong once again.. to then have it tell me the first answer again.. which I already told it, was wrong.
 
I'm guessing this version doesn't have any local capabilities, like ChatGPT and Gemini. The first version of Copilot had a local instance and instead of telling you how to do things, it could actually do those things for you. It was a lifesaver in dealing with some of the less techie people I work with. The new one just gives them orders and they tend to give up or get confused if there are more than 1-2 steps.
 
Domingo said:
I'm guessing this version doesn't have any local capabilities, like ChatGPT and Gemini. The first version of Copilot had a local instance and instead of telling you how to do things, it could actually do those things for you. It was a lifesaver in dealing with some of the less techie people I work with. The new one just gives them orders and they tend to give up or get confused if there are more than 1-2 steps.
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MrGuvernment said:
For me being in I.T, I find it so out dated, incorrect and useless for most of the issues i tend to "google" for.

It is good for small quick things, I agree, basic scripting stuff or a powershell thing here and there, but beyond that, I can find answer quicker searching myself than telling a LLM it is wrong, and wrong again, and wrong once again.. to then have it tell me the first answer again.. which I already told it, was wrong.
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I would be interested in testing that...

Ask me what you need an answer to and i will use copilot to see if i can get the right answer. Might be hard to do...i am not an IT person and i hate windows so if its a .ps1 script question then i refuse to play, haha.
 
Normal ChatGPT is damn good at assisting with weird errors and obscure functionality on SAAS platforms. Can you find those things on Google? Sure, at least most of the time. Does it take way longer to sort through everything and/or to find that obscure private forum or ancient Reddit post that mentions your issue? Typically, yes.

I work with a bunch of people that try to use AI for nearly everything and it's cringy AF, but it definitely has some uses. It can make a borderline illiterate person write decent emails and any idiot can seem like a Photoshop pro.
 
The Mad Atheist said:
So one day it can crank the handle to the music box while you go collect the money as you're tied to a leash.

We need to start thinking for ourselves again!
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With your username i had assumed you could see the value in such labor saving appliances.

"The Electric Monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder... Electric Monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe."

Douglas Adams from Dirk Gentlys Holistic Detective agency.
 
Advil said:
Also you can't really "turn off" copilot or I'd be a lot happier. I want the entire background service and code to be OFF. Gone.

This is the kind of stuff that's making people want to use SteamOS as a Windows replacement. And I'm not usually that guy... but MS is quickly turning me into that guy.
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What do you mean I cannot turn it off? I did so by using a Mac as my main computer and use Bizzite OS for my gaming PC. :D
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
Why do i feel like you're secretly The Mad atheist just trolling everyone?
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Nah. There was a point where I never thought I would be Windows free at home but here we are. :) I still have my XBox Series X but the AI and that thing that takes snapshots of your computer caused me to lose interest. It has been a long time since Microsoft has focused on performance their copilot does not help.
 
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