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Microsoft Pulls WP7 NoDo Update

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It took quite a while for the NoDo patch to be released and by the results it looks like the team should have waited a bit longer. Citing technical issues, the patch has been pulled.

Yes, the latest SNAFU certainly appears to be yet another failure by the Windows Phone 7 team.
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Hasn't this happened to every single WP7 update that has come out so far?
 
The fault here has been with Samsung and their terrible firmware (their Android phones aren't doing so hot either).

Note, they've only stopped the update for the Samsung Omnia 7, not all phones. The last time they halted an update, it was due to firmware issues on the Samsung Focus.

If Samsung would stop putting a billion different firmware revisions on the same model phone, maybe Google / Microsoft wouldn't have so much trouble updating them...
 
Unknown-One said:
The fault here has been with Samsung and their terrible firmware (their Android phones aren't doing so hot either).

Note, they've only stopped the update for the Samsung Omnia 7, not all phones. The last time they halted an update, it was due to firmware issues on the Samsung Focus.

If Samsung would stop putting a billion different firmware revisions on the same model phone, maybe Google / Microsoft wouldn't have so much trouble updating them...
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Thats why you stick with HTC..............
 
I have a Samsung Focus. The MS part of the device has so far been a pleasant surprise. The issues related to the phone (besides the missing features that MS has promised in future updates) have really all been due to Samsung. WP7 updates have generally gone smoothly with all other manufacturers' devices, but Samsung's have each have their issues.

With that said, I received my NoDo update last week finally, and it really has fixed quite a few things. One really big problem I had was that the on-device Zune software had issues with track changes while the phone was in sleep mode. The music would start stuttering, and would often crash if the user did not turn the phone on. This was annoying, since it would not save changes I had made to my likes/dislikes for my music. Since I have a Zune Pass, I have a ton of music on my phone (around 30 gigs), and a lot of it I have not heard yet; when I do listen to it, I like to rate it so I can either keep it or delete it from my phone. Pretty annoying when my ratings would not get updated when I synced up my phone with the Zune software on my PC.

Well, this problem has been fixed, completely. So I have to give kudos for Samsung and MS for fixing this problem, as well as the myriad of other fixes the update brought. I love my Focus again as a result.

Anyways, continue your ignorant misinformed anti-MS FUD.
 
The only thing about NoDo's is that they should have taken the time to make the camera settings saved whenever configured. I guess we'll see that in Mango.
 
Kaitian said:
The only thing about NoDo's is that they should have taken the time to make the camera settings saved whenever configured. I guess we'll see that in Mango.
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it broke on a omnia 7 too at work...
even tho its not related, the HTC got sluggish after, but we got a manual patch and installed once again, same version, and then it was a like charm, for those who like windows phone.

XPeria arc impressed me ALOT! might go sony ericsson next.
 
AtkinS said:
galaxy S is a solid device apart from GPS, its the software thats bad.
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agreed, I have a Samsung captivate, and if it weren't for Samsung I would still be on Android 2.1 (Eclair).

AT&T still hasn't released 2.2 Froyo OTA, but Samsung came out months ago and offered users to download and flash their phones to Froyo using their software. I've had phones from Motorola and Samsung over the years and the best ones (durability and longlife) have been built by Samsung.
 
Oh well, just another example of journalistic sensationalism by [H]. Nice to see however that Apple isn't the only company that's a target of this type of "reporting". The titles of the article linked to BTW is "Microsoft pulls Samsung Omnia WP7 NoDo update". And the article does mention that Android has had a history of the same issues with Samsung hardware:

However, as WMPoweruser's Surur points out, there seems to be a "clear pattern" of OS update issues plaguing various Samsung phones - whether for Windows or Android.
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I've had the Sprint HTC Arrive for a month now which came with the NoDo update and the fucker is awesome, Zune Pass and Netflicks on this thing kick serious ass. The Windows Phone Marketplace as off today has 15,308 apps and will get to 20,000 by Summer and is growing like wildfire. I'm scrambling to get several apps up hopefully by Summer as well.

Windows Phone is fast, slick, stable and beautiful and Microsoft and partners are working like dogs to make this platform great and the beta Mango development tools come out later this month as well. This platform is growing and maturing like no other mobile OS platform before it in many ways and the naysayers are already left in the dust.
 
Yeah, I'm waiting on a 2nd Gen wp7 device with a good dac, to replace my zunehd.
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And this is why I will never buy another Samsung phone again. Constant issues I have not seen from HTC.
 
jeremyshaw said:
Yeah, I'm waiting on a 2nd Gen wp7 device with a good dac, to replace my zunehd.
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I had a Zune HD; my Focus is a decent replacement, although there is no Smart DJ in the software currently. I'm no audiophile, but the sound quality sounds fine to me.
 
Somone remind me WHY he dropped Windows CE in favor of this.... this... this Windows-ME-phone-edition! :p
 
Ashton said:
Somone remind me WHY he dropped Windows CE in favor of this.... this... this Windows-ME-phone-edition! :p
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Because Windows Moble 6.x was getting slaughterd in the market perhaps? And BTW Windows Phone 7 is technically Windows CE 7.
 
heatlesssun said:
Because Windows Moble 6.x was getting slaughterd in the market perhaps? And BTW Windows Phone 7 is technically Windows CE 7.
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I was under the impression they threw out Windows CE all the way down to the Kernel and started over with everything coded from scratch...?

And What I meant was continue supporting WM 6.5 untill 7 (8) was working properly, just like they did with '98/ME and all prior versions of Windows Mobile...
 
Ashton said:
And What I meant was continue supporting WM 6.5 untill 7 (8) was working properly, just like they did with '98/ME and all prior versions of Windows Mobile...
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6.5 is still supported and there are even 6.5 devices still for sales. And Windows Phone 7 works great, I've had my HTC Arrive for a month, loaded a bunch of apps on it, Zune , Netflix, its pretty awesome.
 
Ashton said:
It may work but it's a broken, neutered, shell of an OS...
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And yet it will do what 99% of people use a phone for but to address your point the Mango beta development tools come out this month. And along those lines the development tools are very powerful and approachable which is why there's over 15,000 apps in the store in 6 months.
 
heatlesssun said:
And yet it will do what 99% of people use a phone for but to address your point the Mango beta development tools come out this month. And along those lines the development tools are very powerful and approachable which is why there's over 15,000 apps in the store in 6 months.
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I've not read up on what's available for dev yet, but I've read the "un-features" list, and it's staggering. Yes, if your looking at a feature-phone, it's wonderful. But it lacks a huge number of standard smartphone features. If you don't believe me, there was a poll on this site not long ago and the majority of posters/voters said they wouldn't use WP7 the way it is. MS basically handed it's market share over to Android and Apple (though to be fair it will likely pick up a lot of new people looking at it as a "super-feature-phone")
 
Ashton said:
I've not read up on what's available for dev yet, but I've read the "un-features" list, and it's staggering. Yes, if your looking at a feature-phone, it's wonderful. But it lacks a huge number of standard smartphone features.
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Link to this supposed "list"?

I've been using my Windows Phone 7 handset since launch day, and I haven't noticed anything really missing from the OS itself. There are some 3rd party apps that havn't made their way onto the platform yet, but new ones are added all the time.

Not really sure how you can call it a "feature phone" when it so clearly isn't :confused:
 
For one, Copy and Paste is an expected feature of a smartphone. Most people also expect tethering and static IP addresses.

While it's not officially downgraded to a "feature phone" the lack of these features have people going elsewhere. (and before you start, I was a strong supporter of WM5.0 and up, this isn't a grudge)
 
Ashton said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Phone_7#Absent_features
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Much of this list like 3rd party multi-tasking and VOIP in the form of Skype are on the way. Apple seems to have done quite well with the iPhone not supporting Flash. Again WP7 as it stands TODAY does everything that the vast bulk of what non-business consumers want and need in a smartphone. This argument is no different than when Linux users say that Linux provides the bulk of what most people use computers for today, which I agree with.

The platform is evolving VERY quickly however and by the end of the year the this list will largely be moot, new devices will be out, and the app store will likely triple in size compared to today. This is a marathon, not a sprint. The main thing for now is that Microsoft and partners keep slugging away.
 
Ashton said:
For one, Copy and Paste is an expected feature of a smartphone. Most people also expect tethering and static IP addresses.
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I've got copy and paste and really, most people don't have a clue what tethering or a static IP address are. You're thinking like a phone geek if you think that's the case.
 
Most people also expect tethering and static IP addresses.
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Most people have no idea what an IP address is, much less a static one. Tethering is also an edge case.
 
heatlesssun said:
I've got copy and paste and really, most people don't have a clue what tethering or a static IP address are. You're thinking like a phone geek if you think that's the case.
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I'm thinking like a businessman/IT Director.

The average layperson is perfectly happy with their flip phone or feature phone. Yes, they wont even know any features are missing.
 
Ashton said:
I'm thinking like a businessman/IT Director.

The average layperson is perfectly happy with their flip phone or feature phone. Yes, they wont even know any features are missing.
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I agree that these features are far more relevant in the business world which is why obviously a lot of these things are coming. I believe a bigger need in the business world than tethering or static IPs would be Exchange support and some of that is there now with more on the way,

Microsoft HAD to get a new phone OS out the door and instead of waiting another year they release a very solid and competent offering and got the ball rolling. That got the phone out in the wild, in developers hands and gives Microsoft experience on handling issues like this one with Samsung phones. They has to start somewhere and I think what they did was as good as it was realistically going to get given the fact that they had let Windows Mobile slide so badly.
 
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