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Microsoft preparing handheld console

BladeVenom said:
Stuff.
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If you can't take into consideration the whole situation there's no point in continuing the debate. Consoles are basically based around a longterm goal. Not immediate gains. If they were based off immediate gains. We'd all be playing Wii's and DS's right now.
 
BladeVenom said:
Microsoft's Entertainment division only made $426 million last year. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micr...ime-Profits-for-Xbox-360-Division-90247.shtml
That doesn't erase the $7 billion they lost in the console market. At that rate it will take over 16 years just to break even. Of course a new console will be needed in little over a year or two and the whole big loss cycle will start over.
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I'm sure the people at microsoft know what they're doing. It's all about the long term.


Also just an fyi, you're coming off as an arrogrant annoying douche in this thread, but I'm sure you're aware.
 
Ryan711 said:
I'm sure the people at microsoft know what they're doing. It's all about the long term.


Also just an fyi, you're coming off as an arrogrant annoying douche in this thread, but I'm sure you're aware.
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And how do you think you are coming across?

All blade venom is saying is that they are not doing as well as it looks like they are, not only that but he is citing real results. Yes it is all about the long term and MS does know what they are doing, take for example the rush to market and the RROD. The good thing about MS is that they don’t seem to give up on their big stuff, they just keep right on trudging thru so that is why I don’t think they will stop at the 360 unless their business declines somehow and they have to get rid of the things that cause them losses.

GM, Circuit City and Chrysler all had/have long term strategies and I do not think that anyone would say that they knew what they were doing now. Just because you are dealing with a large corporation does not mean that they are infallible or that they know everything. I personally would not place too much faith in any corporation.
 
I enjoy reading console fanboys talking about corporate finance, because they clearly have no understanding of how it works.

Microsoft, like every other publicly-held company, reports its results quarter by quarter, year by year. There's no running count of how much they've made or lost on the Xbox project - all that really counts is what they did in the most recent quarter, or maybe last year. _They took their billion dollar write-off._ It's done with. _They took their early losses._ They are done with. Neither are of any relevance, beyond an abstract discussion of long-term corporate strategy. If the division is making reasonable money now, no one's going to kill it because of past losses.

The same applies to Sony. The PS1 and PS2 made them a ton of money in the past. Those profits have already been accounted for. The PS3's current profitability problems are what are relevant to Sony's investors. Sony needs to figure out whether the PS3 is worth keeping around based on current and future profitability, not because the PS1 and PS2 did well in the past and the Playstation division still has higher "historical profitability" or whatever because of those historical profits.

"Keeping score" is something that appeals to gamer fanboy, I'm sure, but it's a completely irrelevant to the reality of how companies work. Something to consider.
 
Mike Hawk said:
Gameboy has the hand held on lock down haven't enough brands tried

They should focus on 360
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Sony had the console on lock down with the playstation, and it only took MS one generation to take that over, so this is great. It's kind of funny how Nintendo and Sony both passed their console problems onto their handhelds. The DS has a great gimmick going for it with the dual screens, but like the Wii, the games for it all suck (aside from Castlevania.) Like the PS3, the PSP is super slick supposedly has really good power, but the games for it have never showcased it, and it debuted waaaay too expensive because of a failed technology getting shoved down the consumers throat (bluray and UMD.)

I guess we should assume a MS handheld would probably be a great system, reasonably priced, but suffer from ridiculous failure rates.
 
pigpen said:
failed technology getting shoved down the consumers throat (bluray and UMD.)
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Since when did Bluray fail? :confused: I think your getting confused with HD-DVD :D

PS3 having a BR drive is one of the main reasons Bluray didn't fail.
 
pigpen said:
Failed is a strong word. Maybe i should have said "extremely disappointing."



And bluray is the main reason "xbox" is now the generic word for a home gaming console instead of "playstation."
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really? i thought it was wii?
 
erwos said:
I enjoy reading console fanboys talking about corporate finance, because they clearly have no understanding of how it works.

Microsoft, like every other publicly-held company, reports its results quarter by quarter, year by year. There's no running count of how much they've made or lost on the Xbox project - all that really counts is what they did in the most recent quarter, or maybe last year. _They took their billion dollar write-off._ It's done with. _They took their early losses._ They are done with. Neither are of any relevance, beyond an abstract discussion of long-term corporate strategy. If the division is making reasonable money now, no one's going to kill it because of past losses.

The same applies to Sony. The PS1 and PS2 made them a ton of money in the past. Those profits have already been accounted for. The PS3's current profitability problems are what are relevant to Sony's investors. Sony needs to figure out whether the PS3 is worth keeping around based on current and future profitability, not because the PS1 and PS2 did well in the past and the Playstation division still has higher "historical profitability" or whatever because of those historical profits.

"Keeping score" is something that appeals to gamer fanboy, I'm sure, but it's a completely irrelevant to the reality of how companies work. Something to consider.
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You have to look at the big picture; you’re kind of looking at it from an investor's pov who’s interested in buying stock. If you spend 10 billion for a project and over the course of 5 years and only made 5 billion, you might be cautious of starting a new project like making a handheld with two veteran competitors, one of whom has outlasted everyone else. If they did this, I would think that we would hear the same stuff that MS was saying about the original XBOX, that the 1st gen was a write off and they plan to make money during the next gen.
 
pigpen said:
Sony had the console on lock down with the playstation, and it only took MS one generation to take that over, so this is great. It's kind of funny how Nintendo and Sony both passed their console problems onto their handhelds. The DS has a great gimmick going for it with the dual screens, but like the Wii, the games for it all suck (aside from Castlevania.) Like the PS3, the PSP is super slick supposedly has really good power, but the games for it have never showcased it, and it debuted waaaay too expensive because of a failed technology getting shoved down the consumers throat (bluray and UMD.)

I guess we should assume a MS handheld would probably be a great system, reasonably priced, but suffer from ridiculous failure rates.
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wait, since when has MS have the console on lock down? if im mistaken its teh wii that has consoles on lock down. they are making a profit for each unit sold PLUS selling double the amount of both ps3 AND 360 have sold combined
 
jonneymendoza said:
wait, since when has MS have the console on lock down? if im mistaken its teh wii that has consoles on lock down. they are making a profit for each unit sold PLUS selling double the amount of both ps3 AND 360 have sold combined
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The ps3+360 have outsold the wii worldwide, so you're wrong on that count. And wrong by double since you seem to think that the wii has sold 4 times as much as it actually has.

The 360 has not been sold at a loss for over a year now, so wrong on that count too. Obviously the wii is the most profitable console and has been this entire gen. Other than that you're as wrong as usual.
 
bmango said:
You have to look at the big picture; you’re kind of looking at it from an investor's pov who’s interested in buying stock..
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You might not have heard about this, but Microsoft is a publicly owned corporation. The only people that count are the stockholders. That is my point.
 
erwos said:
You might not have heard about this, but Microsoft is a publicly owned corporation. The only people that count are the stockholders. That is my point.
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Investors and stockholders typically do not make decisions, just fund the decisions the board makes.
 
BladeVenom said:
Only to Xbox fanboys.
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I didn't think you were coming off arrogant. Just debating.

As to fan boy. I own all 3 consoles a ds a psp and a pc for gaming. Its a hobby. The better they all do the more good games I get to play.
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Technoob said:
The ps3+360 have outsold the wii worldwide, so you're wrong on that count. And wrong by double since you seem to think that the wii has sold 4 times as much as it actually has.

The 360 has not been sold at a loss for over a year now, so wrong on that count too. Obviously the wii is the most profitable console and has been this entire gen. Other than that you're as wrong as usual.
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so if the wii has sold more then the 360, how is the 360 the best console? how did you work that out? Also, their was a link right here posted that showed the 360 STILL making a small loss on each console sold:eek:

so again, how did you work out that the 360 is THE console for this gen?
 
jonneymendoza said:
so if the wii has sold more then the 360, how is the 360 the best console? how did you work that out? Also, their was a link right here posted that showed the 360 STILL making a small loss on each console sold:eek:

so again, how did you work out that the 360 is THE console for this gen?
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Microsoft has said it is making money on each console. Since when? Well... I'm too lazy to look it up, but it's been stated.

What you just quoted Technoob on, no where in there does he say 360 is THE console for this gen.

Calm down.
 
jonneymendoza said:
so again, how did you work out that the 360 is THE console for this gen?
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Are you saying that you've heard people use the word "Wii" as a general term for a game console? I never have. Not even once. When people say Wii, they are talking specifically about the Wii. The name itself, being as unusual as it is, demands it. Matter of fact, i was just reading the other day about the President commenting on kids gaming too much. You'll notice, he's not talking about the Xbox in particular. He's talking about the Xbox, the Wii, and the Playstation. He's using the term "xbox" as the general term for console. Nobody does that with the term "Wii." when you hear "Wii", you think of the Wii and nothing else.


http://news.mmosite.com/content/2009-07-19/20090719221038764.shtml

"For our kids to excel, we must accept our own responsibilities. That means putting away the Xbox and putting our kids to bed at a reasonable hour. It means attending those parent-teacher conferences, reading to our kids, and helping them with their homework..."
 
jonneymendoza said:
so if the wii has sold more then the 360, how is the 360 the best console? how did you work that out? Also, their was a link right here posted that showed the 360 STILL making a small loss on each console sold:eek:

so again, how did you work out that the 360 is THE console for this gen?
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Well, other than the fact that i NEVER SAID IT, you're really on track there dude. I have a serious question, is english your first language? Because you seem to see things in posts that don't exist.
 
bmango said:
Investors and stockholders typically do not make decisions, just fund the decisions the board makes.
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That's a little disingenuous, considering that the board is elected by the stockholders. If a majority of stockholders go to the board and say, "hey, you need to do X", they need to do it, or be voted out. Another thing to consider are shareholder resolutions, although these are typically non-binding.
 
pigpen said:
Sony had the console on lock down with the playstation, and it only took MS one generation to take that over, so this is great. It's kind of funny how Nintendo and Sony both passed their console problems onto their handhelds. The DS has a great gimmick going for it with the dual screens, but like the Wii, the games for it all suck (aside from Castlevania.) Like the PS3, the PSP is super slick supposedly has really good power, but the games for it have never showcased it, and it debuted waaaay too expensive because of a failed technology getting shoved down the consumers throat (bluray and UMD.)

I guess we should assume a MS handheld would probably be a great system, reasonably priced, but suffer from ridiculous failure rates.
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You've got to be kidding me. DS games all suck? Seriously? What else sucked? The SNES? The PS2? come on.
 
Technoob said:
Well, other than the fact that i NEVER SAID IT, you're really on track there dude. I have a serious question, is english your first language? Because you seem to see things in posts that don't exist.
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Is english your first language? You appear to struggle at understanding it pretty bad. You are definitely losing the plot man. You need to re-read your posts before pressing the "submit reply" button ;)

Good luck:)
 
jonneymendoza said:
Is english your first language? You appear to struggle at understanding it pretty bad. You are definitely losing the plot man. You need to re-read your posts before pressing the "submit reply" button ;)

Good luck:)
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Between my brother and I, we own all of the consoles. The only one we ever use is the 360. The PS 3 has been getting some use due to inFamous. But even games like Drake's Fortune are so short it's hard to use the thing for more than a couple of days(MGS 4 being the exception). The Wii I haven't turned on since Super Mario Galaxy which is just depressing. I wanted to sell the damn thing but I have to hold on to it until the second one is released.

Microsoft's console may not be the best fiscally, but as far as a library of games goes, I'd make it my number one choice.
 
Handheld Xbox? Eh, stupid idea.

What MS needs to do is make it a phone. Compete with the Iphone on a level the I-phone won't be able to compare, real games. Of course they probably wouldnt even want to use their own OS (Windows Mobile), which is quite sad. Only thing I could imagine is Windows Mobile Xbox edition gets a HUGE overhaul that would quite possibly kick ass.

Or, they could use the Zune as this stepping point.
 
Somebody just needs to make a handheld with dual analog sticks... and no Sony, those little nub things don't count!
 
pigpen said:
Sony had the console on lock down with the playstation, and it only took MS one generation to take that over, so this is great.
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I think your getting a little ahead of yourself somewhat.

Firstly, I assume when you say that Sony had the console lockdown you mean pure volume of PSX then PS2 sales? If that is the case then Nintendo have that title this gen.....simple as.

pigpen said:
Are you saying that you've heard people use the word "Wii" as a general term for a game console? I never have. Not even once. When people say Wii, they are talking specifically about the Wii. The name itself, being as unusual as it is, demands it. Matter of fact, i was just reading the other day about the President commenting on kids gaming too much. You'll notice, he's not talking about the Xbox in particular. He's talking about the Xbox, the Wii, and the Playstation. He's using the term "xbox" as the general term for console. Nobody does that with the term "Wii." when you hear "Wii", you think of the Wii and nothing else.


http://news.mmosite.com/content/2009-07-19/20090719221038764.shtml

"For our kids to excel, we must accept our own responsibilities. That means putting away the Xbox and putting our kids to bed at a reasonable hour. It means attending those parent-teacher conferences, reading to our kids, and helping them with their homework..."
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It really doesn't matter what the media etc call video gaming as you'll find in different parts of the world will use different terms. There was a piece in the British tabloids 6 months or so ago calling the 'playstation' at fault for children developing problems with hands/joints later in life and naming Halo as a culprit. 'nuff said. Just like the terms 'Nintendinitis' and 'Playstation Thumb' used to describe general over use of console gaming.
 
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