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Microsoft preparing handheld console

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencea...ft-hints-at-hand-held-Xbox-games-console.html

Shane Kim, one fo MS executives said that we shall see the handheld Xbox, though it's rather a question of when, as they are now directing all the resources into Natal. He also claims that they want to add full network capabilities - Twitter/Facebook and so on (tho I believe that's on wi-fi, not on 3G/Edge).

MS is also not sure if they will attach phone to it too.
 
Gameboy has the hand held on lock down haven't enough brands tried

They should focus on 360
 
Mike Hawk said:
Gameboy has the hand held on lock down haven't enough brands tried

They should focus on 360
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someone needs to give nintendo some competition in the handheld department. psp is nice but sony is pricing themselves out of the casual gaming market.

before the zuneHD was announced there was lots of speculation about a microsoft handheld and some people mentioned the possibility for Live integration, that would be great.
 
i wish they would just come out with a cellphone. who better to make hardware for the winmo os? make it play proprietary and existing winmo games, and theres your 'gameboy killer' right there.
 
I like my DS and I love my iPhone. However it doesn't matter what the device is I own currently, the day I can buy a phone with Live integrated, XBLA downloadable games, and I can get achievements?

I'll stand in line for one.
 
Their failures in the console market has already cost them billions, now they want to lose even more in the handheld market? MS just doesn't get tired of throwing money away.
 
BladeVenom said:
Their failures in the console market has already cost them billions, now they want to lose even more in the handheld market? MS just doesn't get tired of throwing money away.
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Yep the 360 just isn't making anyone any money.

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2009/07/13/daily52.html

Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox 360 was the only current-generation game console to post a gain in U.S. unit sales in June, compared with the same month last year, according to numbers released by the NPD Group research firm.

The Redmond computer giant’s (NASDAQ: MSFT) Xbox 360 posted sales of 240,600 units, up from about 220,000 units a year ago, the numbers show.

“We’re kind of the bright spot in the industry for game consoles,” said David Dennis, an Xbox spokesman. “We feel great about the trajectory and momentum.”
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http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2009/03/16/daily46.html?q=XBOX 360 SALES

Microsoft Corp. sold 391,000 Xbox 360s in the U.S. in February — marking the video-game console's biggest nonholiday month outside of the September 2007 “Halo 3” launch, according to numbers released Friday by the NPD Group research firm. The result represents a 53 percent increase over the same month last year.

Nintendo’s Wii continued to dominate the market, with 753,000 units sold in the U.S. during the month. Sony’s PlayStation 3 came in third for the month with 276,000 units sold.
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BladeVenom said:
Their failures in the console market has already cost them billions, now they want to lose even more in the handheld market? MS just doesn't get tired of throwing money away.
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You do realize the 360 is making Microsft money now, right? Sure, they lost money with the original Xbox, as well as initially with the 360, but they have a long term strategy, and it seems to be working out for them now. The first Xbox was to get their feet wet, develop a following, and to lay a foundation for the future.
 
mycomputersucks said:
someone needs to give nintendo some competition in the handheld department. psp is nice but sony is pricing themselves out of the casual gaming market.
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DSi price = PSP 3000 price

I would be happy to see Microsoft compete in this arena. It could use a little shaking up because both the DS and PSP are getting long in the teeth
 
mycomputersucks said:
psp is nice but sony is pricing themselves out of the casual gaming market.
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Um... the PSP core pack, is the same price as the DSi. $169.99 I dont know where you get the pricing problem.

edit, hey look, someone just said what I did. Shoulda read the whole thread first. :rolleyes:

Jerome36 said:
You do realize the 360 is making Microsft money now, right? Sure, they lost money with the original Xbox, as well as initially with the 360, but they have a long term strategy, and it seems to be working out for them now. The first Xbox was to get their feet wet, develop a following, and to lay a foundation for the future.
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Over one billion dollars was lost in just the replacements for RRoD.. The 360 isnt making them money, the games are.
 
The PSP Go is not priced for the market, people say. I would agree, but people will still buy it for the shiny factor.
 
fallguy said:
Over one billion dollars was lost in just the replacements for RRoD.. The 360 isnt making them money, the games are.
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Semantics... The bottom line is the Xbox division of Microsoft has been making a profit. I don't know if they still lose money on each console sold, like when the 360 first launched, and that they still have to make the money back through their game sales, licensing, DLC, etc., but the fact remains... The 360 is making them money, even if it's just through software sales (which by the way is how things have been in the past for at least the first year or so of a console's life, when hardware costs were high and they sold the consoles for less).
 
After picking up my PSP and using the online store to buy a few things. I gotta admit it's nice cutting out the whole go into the world for stuff thing. If they get more really good games, and cater a little more to the casual market I can see the PSP taking off.

I wouldn't say it could compete with something along the lines of the Itouch or Iphone as far as casual gamers go. For the hardcore though I think it's perfect. You got movies, games, internet, and music all in one package. PSP go isn't priced to compete though. Sony's achillies heal is going to forever be their pricing.:rolleyes:

As to the 360. Yes it's still creating a marketable resource for MS. If they can come out with something similiar to the PSP and maintain the popularity of the 360. Nintendo and Sony both might have problems. Especially tying it in to xbl.
 
Version_3 said:
The PSP Go is not priced for the market, people say. I would agree, but people will still buy it for the shiny factor.
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Who said anything about the Go? You can get the 3000 for the same price as the DSi. So claiming that the PSP is priced too high, its silly.
 
fallguy said:
Who said anything about the Go? You can get the 3000 for the same price as the DSi. So claiming that the PSP is priced too high, its silly.
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I'd say HE said something about the go.....since he was talking about it and all. How is claiming the price of the psp go silly if you think that's the case, and when it is in fact much higher priced than other psps? Yeah the non go's will still be sold, so what?
 
fallguy said:
Who said anything about the Go? You can get the 3000 for the same price as the DSi. So claiming that the PSP is priced too high, its silly.
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As Technoob said, I did. The PSP Go becomes more relevant in this case since Microsoft doesn't have their handheld out yet, either.
 
I can just see it now.

From the company that brought you the rock solid Xbox360 and the superior windows mobile...

I kid
 
Version_3 said:
As Technoob said, I did. The PSP Go becomes more relevant in this case since Microsoft doesn't have their handheld out yet, either.
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Yet making a blanket statement that the PSP is too expensive, is silly. And ignorant. Because for one, the PSP 3000 is the same price as the DSi. Two, the Go isnt even out yet. Anyone buying a PSP today, is not buying a Go.
 
fallguy said:
Yet making a blanket statement that the PSP is too expensive, is silly. And ignorant. Because for one, the PSP 3000 is the same price as the DSi. Two, the Go isnt even out yet. Anyone buying a PSP today, is not buying a Go.
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Go price is announced, in case you hadn't noticed yet. So talking about the price is certainly relevant now isn't it?

And nobody has said that psp = psp go, but keep setting that strawman up and knocking it down.
 
BladeVenom said:
The Xbox lost over $4 billion dollars, and the 360 lost $3 billion in it's first two years. One mediocre year, doesn't make up for it being an epic failure overall.
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Your twisting the facts to make it sound like MS isn't making a profit off of the 360. Between XBL subscriptions, game sales, DLC, and accessory "fees". They are making money. It's been stated before. Companies lose money on the initial sale and make it up with everything else. Kind of like your neighborhood crack dealer. First hits free etc....

If you want to go off of pure console sales numbers than yes you are right the only one making any kind of cash right now is Nintendo.
 
I'd like to see them expand the Zune HD platform to encompass gaming. The iPhone does well enough even without button controls.
 
erwos said:
I'd like to see them expand the Zune HD platform to encompass gaming. The iPhone does well enough even without button controls.
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I'm sure it will... or at least I hope it will. The current Zune already has games, along with the ability to create your own with C# and XNA. Unfortunately there's no one-stop shop to allow people to get your games/programs. They've already said there will be integration with Xbox Live, when it comes to movies and perhaps music, so games would make a lot of sense. Hopefully it happens.
 
Wrench said:
Your twisting the facts to make it sound like MS isn't making a profit off of the 360. Between XBL subscriptions, game sales, DLC, and accessory "fees". They are making money. It's been stated before. Companies lose money on the initial sale and make it up with everything else. Kind of like your neighborhood crack dealer. First hits free etc....

If you want to go off of pure console sales numbers than yes you are right the only one making any kind of cash right now is Nintendo.
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I'm surprised you had to explain it to him. Of course though it was a "trollish" post.
 
Wrench said:
Your twisting the facts to make it sound like MS isn't making a profit off of the 360. Between XBL subscriptions, game sales, DLC, and accessory "fees". They are making money. It's been stated before.
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They haven't overall.

The "Xbox division" lost $4 billion. http://www.forbes.com/2005/09/12/microsoft-management-software_cz_vm_0913microsoft.html

The first year of the 360 it lost $1.26 billion. http://kotaku.com/207510/360-loses-126bn-in-2006-alone-to-fight-sony

The second year of the 360 cost MS lost another $1.9 billion http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2007/07/20/xbox_division_loses_2_billion_this_year/1

I think it made a small, by MS standards, profit last year.

But last quarter, it's back to losing money, $30 million lost by its division. http://www.joystiq.com/2009/04/23/microsoft-q309-xbox-division-loses-31-million-360-sales-up-30/

Entering the console market has been Microsoft's biggest financial disaster of all time. They've lost more money in the console market than any other company. I can't think of a more expensive flop in the entire electronics industry.

After what horrible financial losses their consoles has brought them, I can't imagine why they want to throw away more money with a handheld.
 
PSP only failed in software which was due to UMD being utter crap.

psp sold millions of consoles.

Micfosoft will likely try to do too much with it's hand held gaming console thus creating more cost for less gaming.
 
I'd have to side with bladeV's claim unless any of you can back up your statements that they are doing ok. Seems they have been losing money despite live and royalties, maybe this year they will start to recoup some of their losses, but will they ever start to break even overall.
 
BladeVenom said:
They haven't overall.

The "Xbox division" lost $4 billion. http://www.forbes.com/2005/09/12/microsoft-management-software_cz_vm_0913microsoft.html

The first year of the 360 it lost $1.26 billion. http://kotaku.com/207510/360-loses-126bn-in-2006-alone-to-fight-sony

The second year of the 360 cost MS lost another $1.9 billion http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2007/07/20/xbox_division_loses_2_billion_this_year/1

I think it made a small, by MS standards, profit last year.

But last quarter, it's back to losing money, $30 million lost by its division. http://www.joystiq.com/2009/04/23/microsoft-q309-xbox-division-loses-31-million-360-sales-up-30/

Entering the console market has been Microsoft's biggest financial disaster of all time. They've lost more money in the console market than any other company. I can't think of a more expensive flop in the entire electronics industry.

After what horrible financial losses their consoles has brought them, I can't imagine why they want to throw away more money with a handheld.
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toss in the fact that MS paid a shit load of cash to fix peoples 3 rrod for 3 years
 
BladeVenom said:
They haven't overall.

The "Xbox division" lost $4 billion. http://www.forbes.com/2005/09/12/microsoft-management-software_cz_vm_0913microsoft.html

The first year of the 360 it lost $1.26 billion. http://kotaku.com/207510/360-loses-126bn-in-2006-alone-to-fight-sony

The second year of the 360 cost MS lost another $1.9 billion http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2007/07/20/xbox_division_loses_2_billion_this_year/1

I think it made a small, by MS standards, profit last year.

But last quarter, it's back to losing money, $30 million lost by its division. http://www.joystiq.com/2009/04/23/microsoft-q309-xbox-division-loses-31-million-360-sales-up-30/

Entering the console market has been Microsoft's biggest financial disaster of all time. They've lost more money in the console market than any other company. I can't think of a more expensive flop in the entire electronics industry.

After what horrible financial losses their consoles has brought them, I can't imagine why they want to throw away more money with a handheld.
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No they pretty much cancelled out first year of 360's losses last year. "Surprised" you didn't post that. And the 30 million last quarter pretty much includes the zune and the whole entertainment department (not just the 360) Rare games, Esembly studios and such I'm sure go into all of that too (Development costs).

Hows Sony doing in general? Healthy I'm sure right. Always rosy news whenever I read about their finacial status and the profitable PS3.
 
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