Microsoft Labels Cheaters, Resets Scores

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We mentioned this earlier today in our gaming links section but I really wanted to hear what you guys have to say about Microsoft resetting accounts to zero (achievement points) and labeling users as cheaters. Personally I like it but I want to know what you think, hit the link below and leave a comment.

The account will be unable to regain all previously obtained achievements and Gamerscore, however, the players will have the ability to gain future Achievements by earning them fairly, like the majority of the Xbox LIVE community does. The account will be clearly labeled as a cheater for the community to view on xbox.com, see below for a screenshot. In dash, the personal view of the gamercard will be labeled too.
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Steam has an anti-cheat system in place where you risk losing your account. Players can shrug and create a new account and nobody will be the wiser.

I like this system better where Microsoft stamps "cheater" on a player's forehead. They'll be ridiculed and kicked out of games and they'll most likely be wishing they didn't cheat and who knows, they might even reform.

All I hope is that Microsoft can prove if a player cheats. Cheat detection has been around for ages now, so I'm sure Microsoft has something to back them up.
 
I like it. It is so much better than simply banning an account the way Valve & Steam would do it. This way, people get to actively see who the cheaters are, instead of cheating players just disappearing.

There's nothing so bad that you can't add a little shame to make it worse.
 
I'm in full support of this as long as their cheat detection is accurate. I'd hate to see innocent people get branded!
 
I have looked around for a bit and I cant find out how they cheated. Can someone explain how they cheat to raise their gamescore?
 
I am really getting tired of being sniped in COD4 from a guy hiding in a building I can't get a 'nade into, then again I do throw like a girl.
 
Nihilanth99 said:
I'm in full support of this as long as their cheat detection is accurate. I'd hate to see innocent people get branded!
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QFT. I think the "cheater" branding is simply awesome. That'll make those a$$hat cheaters think twice about cheating again....particularly if they're harrassed in every server they try to play on. :D
 
bout time someone does it... best part is your account, your cc... your life lol... forever branded!

They deserve it.
 
excellent.

I can't access the article about it to read the details. I hope they tie the label to the Xbox machine, not the Xbox live account, as someone who's harrassed enough might go buy a new Xbox live account, etc..
 
chrisf6969 said:
excellent.

I can't access the article about it to read the details. I hope they tie the label to the Xbox machine, not the Xbox live account, as someone who's harrassed enough might go buy a new Xbox live account, etc..
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They couldn't tie it to the machine, it would be too inpratical imo, what if people were to sell the console on ebay? those labeled "cheater" would fetch a much lower price, this shouldn't be a permanent thing for a 300 dollar piece of hardware, a $10 account i can understand though it is easy circumvented
 
sl.124 said:
They couldn't tie it to the machine, it would be too inpratical imo, what if people were to sell the console on ebay? those labeled "cheater" would fetch a much lower price, this shouldn't be a permanent thing for a 300 dollar piece of hardware, a $10 account i can understand though it is easy circumvented
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A person could just get a new account but, seeing as their account still works and xbox live isn't the only way to use an xbox, many probably wouldn't get a new one.
 
I don't see this working out that well, most of the cheaters just use the free 1 month new accounts, over and over again. I see steam's way of doing it as being better, as the cheaters have to buy a new game to make a new account after being banned.
 
Azhar said:
Steam has an anti-cheat system in place where you risk losing your account. Players can shrug and create a new account and nobody will be the wiser.

I like this system better where Microsoft stamps "cheater" on a player's forehead. They'll be ridiculed and kicked out of games and they'll most likely be wishing they didn't cheat and who knows, they might even reform.

All I hope is that Microsoft can prove if a player cheats. Cheat detection has been around for ages now, so I'm sure Microsoft has something to back them up.
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When you get a ban on steam, doesn't it ban your steam ID? so creating a new account won't get around that and you would need to buy another copy of the game.

Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
 
The article only talks about gamescore correction for players that have been tampering with their gamerscore/achievements.. so I'm not sure what all this talk is about multiplayer. If someone cheats on multiplayer and gets caught, they get their ass suspended.

Do people really care that much about their gamerscore?
 
"Do people really care that much about their gamerscore?"

You'd be suprised what games people buy just to get ahead on gamerscore.

People are buying crappy IP games like Open Season. OPEN SEASON!
 
Skarth said:
I don't see this working out that well, most of the cheaters just use the free 1 month new accounts, over and over again. I see steam's way of doing it as being better, as the cheaters have to buy a new game to make a new account after being banned.
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The first three accounts created on the console get the free 1-month of Gold. After that they all start as Silver unless payment is made to move up to Gold. Remember though, this isn't meant to deal with multiplayer cheating, which already results in a permanent ban. This is meant to deal with Gamerscore boosting, which could be an entirely solo endeavor. Gamerscore boosting impacts the integrity of the service, but doesn't directly impede another player's use of the service like Multiplayer cheating does, which is why these accounts are allowed to continue playing after having their Gamerscore wiped out.
 
sc3252 said:
I don't have one, but nice try. I just want to understand how it is done? In game cheats, glitching, or what?
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I beleive it is by somehow modifying your game file, or save file on the system it's self, or somehow doing it prior to your score being uploaded or saved, as most game ssave your score and such once you are done the game.....
 
I think Valve does it better. Banning a player's account with VAC and forcing them to either play on non-VAC servers or on a new account with newly purchased games is pretty funny. But as others have said: the consequences are meaningless if the detection method sucks.
 
Makaveli@BETA said:
When you get a ban on steam, doesn't it ban your steam ID? so creating a new account won't get around that and you would need to buy another copy of the game.

Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
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Well, you have to make a new account as well as buy a new copy of the game on that new account, if that's what you meant.
 
Branding a player as a cheater hurts a heck of a lot more than simply being banned. I like it.
 
SPARTAN VI said:
Do people really care that much about their gamerscore?
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You would be surprised. Lots of people get attached to them just as a basic measure of how they've done in a single game. At worst some people grind their way through games and unlock all the achievements just to get more points.

It is almost like a meta-MMORPG on top of the games themselves, pretty genius on Microsoft's part.
 
sl.124 said:
They couldn't tie it to the machine, it would be too inpratical imo, what if people were to sell the console on ebay? those labeled "cheater" would fetch a much lower price, this shouldn't be a permanent thing for a 300 dollar piece of hardware, a $10 account i can understand though it is easy circumvented
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Sure they can. When they ban people from XBox live they ban the username, the IP address,the physical console (I'm assuming by the MAC address or something), and I believe the credit card number (if they used one) so the person is completely banned, short of getting a new console, IP address, and payment method. As far as people selling the console on EBay, that's not really Microsoft's problem. In fact, I'm sure they would prefer you didn't sell the console on EBay, because then that EBay buyer would be more likely to buy a new 360.
 
banning accounts on steam? after what... 10,000 offenses? i watch one of the biggest communities (noob galore) ban 100 cheaters or more a week... report them... and valve does nothing.
 
The Steam method works if enforced...in their case, cheating costs money....you have to create a new steam account, and repurchase all the games you got banned from.

A VAC ban isn't limited to that game, it's every game under that account....no netplay for you!
 
I guess no one read the article? This doesn't look like it has anything to do with cheating on multiplayer.. so relating this to VAC is pointless. They're talking about people using outside means of inflating their gamerscore through exploits in the achievement system and using saved games without actually playing the games at all.

This is not about someone using a hack/exploit in COD4, Halo 3, etc to get an edge; those people are banned or suspended. It's only about their gamerscore.

As such, who gives a shit?
 
SPARTAN VI said:
This is not about someone using a hack/exploit in COD4, Halo 3, etc to get an edge; those people are banned or suspended. It's only about their gamerscore.

As such, who gives a shit?
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QFT

It doesn't affect my gameplay, so what's the point?

There are countless ways around any anti-cheat "system". It only filters out the retarded cheaters. It's about as secure as how they think copy protection is secure. :p
 
SPARTAN VI said:
As such, who gives a shit?
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its funny that your name is SPARTAN VI and the confession posted on the cheat blog is from SilentSpartan...

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no connection, right ?
 
burnin8r said:
its funny that your name is SPARTAN VI and the confession posted on the cheat blog is from SilentSpartan...

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no connection, right ?
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Nope, my gamertag is SPARTAN VI and has been since XboxLive launch. I think I've seen SilentSpartan on the Xbox boards though. I used to frequent Xbox Addict, Team Xbox, Xbox Republic, and Xbox Circle.

You realize "Spartan" is a very popular Xbox gamertag, right? Xbox is Halo's birth place and has been its home for nearly 7 years now.
 
Azhar said:
Steam has an anti-cheat system in place where you risk losing your account. Players can shrug and create a new account and nobody will be the wiser.
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You make it seem like you cant do the same thing for XBox Live...
 
DemonDiablo said:
You make it seem like you cant do the same thing for XBox Live...
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Except with the Xbox live, you lose your score plus get branded, whereas if you recreate an account, you lose your score anyways. You just won't be branded.

Either way all your "hard working" points are gone because you fucked up.

This threat might get people to dial back on cheating in fear of losing their points.
 
burnin8r said:
its funny that your name is SPARTAN VI and the confession posted on the cheat blog is from SilentSpartan..

no connection, right ?
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Just read his retarded argument.. Basically, "Microsoft shouldn't penalize me! It's their stupid system's fault for having loop holes, not my fault for exploiting it WaWa!" :rolleyes:

Why does anyone care about their gamer score so much in the first place? There's no reward for getting it up so high and you're definitely not gonna get laid with it.

Oh and I'm in California, not Pennsylvania.
 
I think that the "cheater" branding is a cool concept, but I also think it should go away after 3-6 months (varying for first, second, or repeated offenses). Then, if they cheat again, nail 'em. That way, someone who does it once and then cleans up (because isn't that the whole POINT of this exercise?) isn't penalized forever, but those who cheat repeatedly get nailed over and over again.
 
High gamer scores show one thing for sure. They dont do well with the ladies. Very few women are going to let you spend that kind of time playing games when you should be scoring with them and not xbox live.
 
Azhar said:
Steam has an anti-cheat system in place where you risk losing your account. Players can shrug and create a new account and nobody will be the wiser.

I like this system better where Microsoft stamps "cheater" on a player's forehead. They'll be ridiculed and kicked out of games and they'll most likely be wishing they didn't cheat and who knows, they might even reform.

All I hope is that Microsoft can prove if a player cheats. Cheat detection has been around for ages now, so I'm sure Microsoft has something to back them up.
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IIRC you have to purchase all new games if you are banned from your account, it is costly for those who have a lot of games on their accounts.
 
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