Microsoft Engineer Explains DRM Reasoning

I'm sure for a guy like him the engineering involved in managing millions of licenses across all those accounts is an achievement.

BUT it still doesn't change that its a total fuck job and taking away property from the consumers and instead handing out "vouchers" for the games you own , good for one time uses :p

No matter how you dress a turd , its a still going to be a turd.
 
MS is off of their rocker and really up to some nasty stuff. Microsoft, since you want to screw people over, I would like to take this oppertunity to introduce you to "Tossed Salad Man" (Google it, I DARE YOU).... You guys would get along great....
 
Does microshaft think people are gonna buy that BS? Too late for damage control Sony destroyed you.



This is 911, what is your emergency?
I need to report a murder, Xbox One is dead. The Ps4 just Killed it!
We're sending an ambulance now.
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RaZoRbLaDeD said:
Does microshaft think people are gonna buy that BS? Too late for damage control Sony destroyed you.



This is 911, what is your emergency?
I need to report a murder, Xbox One is dead. The Ps4 just Killed it!
We're sending an ambulance now.
WiiU WiiU WiiU WiiU
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Sounds about right, riding to a hospital in an ambulance is likely a horrible experience and probably not very fun at all.
 
I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, MS can go fuck itself.
 
I haven't checked the article but I assume it's about that pastbin post, so let me just say this: Did Microsoft go on stage and say "Here are the things we're taking away from you, and because of that the price of games will now be $40"?

No, they did not.

Two possibilities:

1) Their 'lower games cost' future is coming. If that's the case, then they've UTTERLY failed in communication and should fix that ASAP. Buy TV-time and get on that stage, and stop blaming "the internet" for "not understanding".
2) Their 'lower games cast' future isn't forthcoming. Sorry, but we understod you fine, you're taking away all these things, and gamers get shit in return. The things they're saying we're getting in return are shit. Old shit to boot. Stop blaming us for "not understanding".

LESS TALK MORE SHOW, MICROSOFT!
 
With the exception of TV and Kinect the PS4 already does everything the XB1 does. I'm not following his logic here, Sony will have same day digital releases as well as cloud services.

His argument on disc less games is just absurd, it would be far easier to put the disc into the console and install than it would be to start the download process and jump in after 5-10 minutes of downloading. Complaining about Gamestop screwing over customers is even worse, they might screw people over but they provide a service that will still get used by XB1 owners. They take away someones choice to craigslist, ebay or trade.

The only positive he tries to point out (and what Microsoft seems intent on now) is lowering prices after release something Sony could just as easily do on PSN. If gamestop wants to challenge their authority and refuse to sell games at retail that are cheaper online then let them. Seems to me Microsofts goal is to cut them out of the middle so why bring them up?
 
next-Jin said:
With the exception of TV and Kinect the PS4 and Wii U already does everything the XB1 does without all the hassle and restrictions. I'm not following his logic here, Sony and Nintendo do and will have same day digital releases as well as cloud services.

His argument on disc less games is just absurd, it would be far easier to put the disc into the console and install than it would be to start the download process and jump in after 5-10 minutes of downloading. Complaining about Gamestop screwing over customers is even worse, they might screw people over but they provide a service that will still get used by XB1 owners. They take away someones choice to craigslist, ebay or trade.

The only positive he tries to point out (and what Microsoft seems intent on now) is lowering prices after release something Sony could just as easily do on PSN. If gamestop wants to challenge their authority and refuse to sell games at retail that are cheaper online then let them. Seems to me Microsofts goal is to cut them out of the middle so why bring them up?
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Fixed for accuracy... :p....

http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#bluray_speed

on a site note the Super Luigi U will be $20 for Digital Download and $30 for media based game
 
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The twitter post is from an Xbox employee and its a confirmation not speculation. So its for real.

Still can't believe it.
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
Fixed for accuracy... :p
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You'd have to replace the PS4 and XB1 in that quote with PS3 and 360 for it to be accurate.

On topic however this Ars article does a good job explaining the PS4 features compared to what XB1 guys are clamoring too.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...ecause-some-other-company-is-doing-something/

Other tidbits
•Sony said that developers will be able to make use of Xbox One-styled cloud calculations to power their games if they wish. However, Yoshida said that "out of all the calculations a game needs, maybe [only] this and that might be possible on the cloud side." Can developers really count on using this cloud computing if many PS4 players are offline? "We don't believe every title needs that. If your title needs an online connection to provide some online features, go for it."

•While there are 140 titles currently in development for the PS4 and 100 expected to be released in the first year, Yoshida would only say that Sony is anticipating "many" for the launch of the system this holiday.

•On the PS3, being able to play remotely on the Vita was an optional feature for developers to implement, often at the expense of working on other features. On the PS4? "Remote Play [just] happens. It's taken care of on the system side."

•While PlayStation Plus is required to play most online multiplayer games on the PS4, free-to-play games like DC Universe Online and Planetside 2 will be fully playable even without a membership.

•PlayStation Plus accounts are now more portable, so you can sign in on any number of systems to take advantage of the online multiplayer functions. However, only one PS4 at a time can use a single paid account. People with two PS4s in a single household will have to double up on their subscriptions.

•Will the PS4 support the Oculus Rift? Yoshida wouldn't say for certain, but he did mention that "a couple of guys in our studios have the Kickstarted version. I tried it and I loved it... it's great."
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^ me and you are on the same page when it comes to the XB1.... and yes I know the PS3 and 360 and Wii could be added to that list, but they are last gen so I left them off...
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
^ me and you are on the same page when it comes to the XB1.... and yes I know the PS3 and 360 and Wii could be added to that list, but they are last gen so I left them off...
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Oh you must have missed my point, the Wii U can't do what the PS4 and XB1 can do in many respects (graphics, cloud, etc), but is pretty solidly comparable to the 360 and PS3.

Hopefully that cleared up the comment some.
 
I could explain that with the need to be able to run code locally. Pointless at the show yes, but they're not going to rebuild devkits, if that are what those are, just for the show.

Though it would make more sense if they were AMD cards in that case, because I don't think MS is concerned with PC multiplatforming...
 
If they're REALLY trying to emulate steam, what's up with the monthly subscription? And why can't we play games we've already purchased on live w/ the 360 on the new console?


More bullshit from Microsoft. The Xbox 360 and ps3 both have digital downloads for retail games... No doubt the ps4 as well... So not really sure what point their making. They're in it for the money and nothing more
 
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Sony are allowing and leaving it up to publishers to add DRM to their games, you really think publishers won't take advantage of this?
 
The Donut said:
Sony are allowing and leaving it up to publishers to add DRM to their games, you really think publishers won't take advantage of this?
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How is it any different than what the PS3 currently is? If a publisher/developer wants to do DRM they are going to have to setup their own DRM system which probably is not cheap.
 
Besides, not having to deal with it on Sony first-party is something at least. PS4 = Naughty Dog Game Machine.
 
The Donut said:
Sony are allowing and leaving it up to publishers to add DRM to their games, you really think publishers won't take advantage of this?
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This is just how online passes work. Sony can't control publishers if they want to do that.
 
I am so hoping the Xbone flops completely. We gamers have been taken advantage of and treated like living cash registers for a long time now. We need a mass uprising as silly as that might sound.

It wasn't until Steam posted annual sales over a billion dollars that developers started noticing PC gamers more. And it was millions of gamers raising hell across all platforms that got the ending to Mass Effect changed. If enough people revolt and the Xbone flops and everybody goes PS4 or PC, then that could be the turning point where developers realize how fed up we are with DRM's and generally being treated like thieves and maybe, just maybe they'll start to ease up some.
 
I will be getting a PS4. The only games I will buy on it are exclusives to the platform. Unless M$ changes its policies I won't be getting a X1 and a brand new Halo game won't change my mind.
 
I live in an area with reliable fast internet, so if games really are cheaper on XBone I might be interested later one down the road.

However; Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo already have DRM systems for selling and playing games that works just like Steam (or worse in Nintendo's case) and they are much more expensive than Steam.

On PC you have GoG, Steam, Beamdog, Direct2Drive, etc. On Consoles you have one option - the only competition is that somebody might buy the same game on a different platform if they also happen have that platform.
 
Mozex said:
I live in an area with reliable fast internet, so if games really are cheaper on XBone I might be interested later one down the road.

However; Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo already have DRM systems for selling and playing games that works just like Steam (or worse in Nintendo's case) and they are much more expensive than Steam.

On PC you have GoG, Steam, Beamdog, Direct2Drive, etc. On Consoles you have one option - the only competition is that somebody might buy the same game on a different platform if they also happen have that platform.
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XB1 and PS4 games will be the same price.
 
It doesn't feel like publisher games are extremely cheap on steam. It feels more like indie games are the best deals and didn't MS say they don't like indies?
 
BatJoe said:
XB1 and PS4 games will be the same price.
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I expect this as well. Which is why I'm playing the wait-and-see game.

If Microsoft allows you to share download titles with your "family" that actually makes for HIGHER game prices - at least according to the company's logic. (is this confirmed? Does the family share thing is only for physical copies?)
 
Mozex said:
I live in an area with reliable fast internet, so if games really are cheaper on XBone I might be interested later one down the road.

However; Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo already have DRM systems for selling and playing games that works just like Steam (or worse in Nintendo's case) and they are much more expensive than Steam.

On PC you have GoG, Steam, Beamdog, Direct2Drive, etc. On Consoles you have one option - the only competition is that somebody might buy the same game on a different platform if they also happen have that platform.
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This. Competition with other digital distributors is what caused game prices on PC to come down. This competition will not exist on consoles, because they are closed systems. I mean, do you really think Microsoft/Sony would open the doors to let Origin and Uplay have marketplaces on their consoles, and thus allowing Steam?
 
MacLeod said:
I am so hoping the Xbone flops completely. We gamers have been taken advantage of and treated like living cash registers for a long time now. We need a mass uprising as silly as that might sound.

It wasn't until Steam posted annual sales over a billion dollars that developers started noticing PC gamers more. And it was millions of gamers raising hell across all platforms that got the ending to Mass Effect changed. If enough people revolt and the Xbone flops and everybody goes PS4 or PC, then that could be the turning point where developers realize how fed up we are with DRM's and generally being treated like thieves and maybe, just maybe they'll start to ease up some.
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I'm hoping that Microsoft gets a black eye on the DRM B.S. and is forced to make changes to the Xbox One to become competitive again.
 
Mozex said:
However; Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo already have DRM systems for selling and playing games that works just like Steam (or worse in Nintendo's case) and they are much more expensive than Steam.
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As a side note, Nintendo is supposed to be working to fix that problem by year's end, tying Network IDs across the 3DS and Wii U, and (logically, I hope) across multiple devices.
 
next-Jin said:
Complaining about Gamestop screwing over customers is even worse, they might screw people over but they provide a service that will still get used by XB1 owners. They take away someones choice to craigslist, ebay or trade.
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I may be wrong, but it seems all you'd have to do is deactivate your license to sell the game...:confused:
 
PNut12345 said:
I may be wrong, but it seems all you'd have to do is deactivate your license to sell the game...:confused:
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It's possible... but from what they've said thus far, it certainly doesn't sound that way. Only 'participating retailers' can sell used games... if the publisher allows it (which sounds like smaller mom and pop type game shops and private party sales are SOL)
 
PNut12345 said:
I may be wrong, but it seems all you'd have to do is deactivate your license to sell the game...:confused:
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It's all too vague but what I am seeing is that if you deactivate a game the problem comes from the eventual buyer, they still have to buy the game under Microsofts terms not the seller. So that was what I was going on about based on my understanding, I could be wrong too who the hell knows.

If you could just deactivate it and then sell it under your own terms I don't think the outlash would be as bad.
 
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