Map Of US States Compares Energy Use With Foreign Countries

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This comparison map is pretty interesting to look at. Apparently, California uses as much energy as Mexico does annually, while Texas’ consumption is equivalent to Brazil’s.

While we are increasingly switching to cleaner forms of energy, the US is still a powerhouse. Surprisingly or not, many individual US states use as much energy as entire countries.
 
Megalith said:
Surprisingly or not, many individual US states use as much energy as entire countries.[/I]
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That's because many US states are the SIZE of many countries.

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cia1413 said:
This just in, most us states are the size of most other countries.
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I know it's not new, but apparently it is new to some people that those states would actually use as much energy as a country when they are as large or larger than a country.

I'm just saying.
 
The issue is not the energy we consume but how we produce it.

All the money we spend trying to make scientists shut up and go away could be used to fund energy research.
 
Better to compare the population of states to that of countries of equal population.
 
Interestingly enough, if you add the GNP of all those countries together, they will be far, far below that of the US (US makes up 22% of the world;s GDP). Also, if you add up all their populations together, they will be far, far below the US (US is the 3rd most populous country).

Interestingly enough, the population of Sweden is roughly that of the New York City Megalopolis (about 11 million people).
 
Ashbringer said:
Better to compare the population of states to that of countries of equal population.
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China is number one in both population and electrical use.
The US is number three in population and number two in electrical use.
India is number two in population and number six in electrical use.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
The issue is not the energy we consume but how we produce it.

All the money we spend trying to make scientists shut up and go away could be used to fund energy research.
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We need to allow nuclear power plants to be built again as a stop gap method while other sources are improved or invented.
 
No comparison at all.The US is the world's largest national economy for a reason.
Factor the population of those countries and the economic activity with the corresponding states.
 
Wolfkin said:
Well, no. Population USA ~320 million, population Europe ~740 million.
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this guy gets it. i have no idea what they teach in US schools... also, texas has 28 mn people which is only a third of germany so that image comparing size is just laughable. it's about population, not the size of the country. the U.S. does use way too much energy per capita.
 
temujin987 said:
this guy gets it. i have no idea what they teach in US schools... also, texas has 28 mn people which is only a third of germany so that image comparing size is just laughable. it's about population, not the size of the country. the U.S. does use way too much energy per capita.
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You expect Americans and especially Texans to measure by anything else than size? :D
Had a debate with my American/Texan wife where she actually argued that in comparison between the states on other countries it was unfair to adjust for Americans population size. because then off cause there where goings to lose.:rolleyes:
 
note every country listed is a shit hole of poverty and corruption ....

we need more nuclear power for EVERYONE
 
temujin987 said:
this guy gets it. i have no idea what they teach in US schools... also, texas has 28 mn people which is only a third of germany so that image comparing size is just laughable. it's about population, not the size of the country. the U.S. does use way too much energy per capita.
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no the rest of the world doesn't use enough

we need more nuclear now
 
Wolfkin said:
Well, no. Population USA ~320 million, population Europe ~740 million.
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Furthermore, Texas, with the energy usage of Brazil, has 1/8th the population. American lifestyle necessitates American energy usage. It's not complicated.
 
drako said:
Furthermore, Texas, with the energy usage of Brazil, has 1/8th the population. American lifestyle necessitates American energy usage. It's not complicated.
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this

unless people WANT to drink wash and bathe in the same water they shit and piss in...
 
Elios said:
unless people WANT to drink wash and bathe in the same water they shit and piss in...
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Well, we don't have it quite right either. We could maintain our standard of living and use quite a bit less energy. But I'd argue that, for better or worse, conspicuous consumption has been central to the American lifestyle since WW2.
 
Elios said:
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unless people WANT to drink wash and bathe in the same water they shit and piss in...
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Well its hot down here and I use A/C all the time, I cant live without A/C down here like some of you guys up there and Germany.
 
drako said:
Furthermore, Texas, with the energy usage of Brazil, has 1/8th the population. American lifestyle necessitates American energy usage. It's not complicated.
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Well except that other countries has the kinda same lifestyle in quality but less power usage. you are fooling yourself if you think the ineffectiveness in Texas is needed to keep up its lifestyle.
There is a huge mass of wasted energy here in Texas because people haven't even learned the most basic of energy/resource prevention.

- No using energy saving and long lasting light bulbs.
- People watering in the middle of the day where the suns takes it biggest toll on watering effectiveness
- I have yet to meat one person that knows preheating, for the most part, is unneeded in cooking.
- People think they are recycling persons when they just recycle soda cans.

All these things are stuff you learn as a kid (~ Pre High school classes) in more modern countries.
 
SvenBent said:
Well except that other countries has the kinda same lifestyle in quality but less power usage. you are fooling yourself if you think the ineffectiveness in Texas is needed to keep up its lifestyle.
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I disagree. Texan energy usage is part of the Texan lifestyle.

You are talking about standard of living, not lifestyle. And yeah, many European countries have a similar standard of living while using much less energy (e.g. Denmark).
 
If we spent the money we wasted on wars on modern breeder nuclear power plants, we could finally have energy independence.
 
temujin987 said:
this guy gets it. i have no idea what they teach in US schools... also, texas has 28 mn people which is only a third of germany so that image comparing size is just laughable. it's about population, not the size of the country. the U.S. does use way too much energy per capita.
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Yeah, although the US isn't the largest energy users per capita, that distinction goes to Iceland, then there are a handful of countries that use more as well, Canada, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Bahrain, amongst others.

If you're comparing individual states, looking at something like California, which is "oh no look at all the electricity they use" then yeah that's great except per capita it's ranked like 48th out of 50 in energy usage, but sure compare it to a country that's half the population is living in poverty, then yeah it's no big shocker that those without much of anything to their name don't use much energy.
 
Should set higher standards, get each state to point where they use as much power as china , I'm rather disappointed with this
 
Wolfkin said:
Well, no. Population USA ~320 million, population Europe ~740 million.
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Europe is a continent, not a country. Europe contains a LOT of countries in it, some of which have smaller populations than some US cities have.
 
temujin987 said:
this guy gets it. i have no idea what they teach in US schools...
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In US schools, they each us that Europe is a continent and that the US is a country. I thought they taught the same thing in schools in all the countries of Europe (of which there are many).

A country and a continent are not the same thing - unless you are talking about Australia. :)
 
West Virginia = 1.8M people, Slovakia = 5M people. Same power consumption.
Missouri = 6M people, Czech Republic = 10M people. Same power consumption.

While energy is a bit cheaper overall in US, it's not that much cheaper - it's 0.12€/kWh here in Slovakia, the states i mentoined above have it between $0.09-$0.1/kWh, with some states having it as high as $0.18. I wonder how can you have same energy power consumption with less than half of the people - do you run AC 24/365 ? :D
 
cybrsage said:
We need to allow nuclear power plants to be built again as a stop gap method while other sources are improved or invented.
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Why would you use the cleanest and safest form of energy per Watt when we have coal and oil that lobby like crazy, or solar and wind that look so good on the smug index?

If there's one thing we know, science has never solved any problems, Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, and Norman Borlaug only caused heart ache and misery.

Of course we're all supposed to be ashamed of prosperity today. That's part of why we're to distrust science, that and the larger scientific community doesn't have enough money to lobby.
 
faugusztin said:
West Virginia = 1.8M people, Slovakia = 5M people. Same power consumption.
Missouri = 6M people, Czech Republic = 10M people. Same power consumption.

While energy is a bit cheaper overall in US, it's not that much cheaper - it's 0.12€/kWh here in Slovakia, the states i mentoined above have it between $0.09-$0.1/kWh, with some states having it as high as $0.18. I wonder how can you have same energy power consumption with less than half of the people - do you run AC 24/365 ? :D
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Really? Slovakia and Czech?

As mentioned above, if you list countries with a high amount of poverty they are likely to use less power.
 
'47 Knucklehead said:
That's because many US states are the SIZE of many countries.

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Texas/Population
26.96 million (2014)

Brazil/Population
200.4 million (2013)

So. Texas being the size of many other countries, with 1/10th the population, justifies it being a power hog?

We're a wasteful country and the longer people resist changing over to more energy efficient devices and renewable resources... the more it's going to hurt.
 
I just did a look up for Florida (where I currently live) and The Netherlands have a total less population than this state (about 3 million) and the same energy consumption.

Wouldn't that mean that Florida is more energy efficient than an entire independent country??

Now I see that some other states I can't fathom as to why they expend so much energy other than maybe there are major industries there that require all of that energy.
 
techrat said:
Texas/Population
26.96 million (2014)

Brazil/Population
200.4 million (2013)

So. Texas being the size of many other countries, with 1/10th the population, justifies it being a power hog?
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Too be fair people in Brazil strip down to near nothing and walk around, do you REALLY want to see that of the people of Texas? Me I'd say use power to keep themselves cool.

Although I am curious about how power consumption is actually recorded, if it's actually how much power the power plants create, or based on power bills? Because this is the state of power in many areas of Brazil
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And guess who isn't paying for power? That said, it says something about their power consumption if they need to do shit like this to get power in the first place, so yeah obviously they're getting by with very little power because they don't have much of a choice. If there are that many people who are stealing power the power companies are probably purposefully not sending much power. Looking down on people because they can afford to pay for something is always an awesome way to look at life.
 
rotarymotor said:
I just did a look up for Florida (where I currently live) and The Netherlands have a total less population than this state (about 3 million) and the same energy consumption.

Wouldn't that mean that Florida is more energy efficient than an entire independent country??

Now I see that some other states I can't fathom as to why they expend so much energy other than maybe there are major industries there that require all of that energy.
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It's not about energy efficiency, but yeah the people of Florida on average use less power per person than those in the Netherlands. As to the why? Well the average temperature of the Netherlands is 35 degrees F, might have a bit to do with it :)
 
I'm pretty sure Phoenix alone consumes as much energy as Chile. I don't know why they include the rest of the State.
 
sfsuphysics said:
If you're comparing individual states, looking at something like California, which is "oh no look at all the electricity they use" then yeah that's great except per capita it's ranked like 48th out of 50 in energy usage, but sure compare it to a country that's half the population is living in poverty, then yeah it's no big shocker that those without much of anything to their name don't use much energy.
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There's a few reasons the per capita usage of electricity is low in California.
For one, we have the most expensive electricity in the country, so it pays spend extra for high efficiency appliances. Along the coast, the weather in mild and you rarely need to run the air conditioning.
Also, most the energy intensive industry have already fled the state due to the high prices.

However, the high costs and regulations are turning the state into a 3rd world cesspool.
The inland areas are starting to look like the poor areas of Mexico and central America.
If you are in the middle class, its a struggle to afford a place to live, and if you can manage that, good luck affording to run the Air Conditioner.
 
faugusztin said:
West Virginia = 1.8M people, Slovakia = 5M people. Same power consumption.
Missouri = 6M people, Czech Republic = 10M people. Same power consumption.

While energy is a bit cheaper overall in US, it's not that much cheaper - it's 0.12€/kWh here in Slovakia, the states i mentoined above have it between $0.09-$0.1/kWh, with some states having it as high as $0.18. I wonder how can you have same energy power consumption with less than half of the people - do you run AC 24/365 ? :D
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How about the average size of the homes, the percentage that have air conditioning, the amount of manufacturing in the state, especially businesses that use a lot of energy.

This report is basically worthless.
It's like looking at the amount of apples grown or imported into each state to determine how many apples each person eats. Some states might process most of their apples into juice to be shipped to other states, while other states have no apple related businesses.
 
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