Loving this 2600X!

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pandora's box

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Absolutely in love with this 2600X! I originally had it running on a Gigabyte Aorus X470 Ultra Gaming motherboard, and I was not happy with the results at all. Overclocking options in the bios left a lot to be desired and I could not get the memory to overclock at all. I headed back to Microcenter and traded the board in for a Asrock Taichi X470, I also picked up a Corsair H150i Pro 360mm AIO for the CPU too. After about a day of tweaking, the results in the screenshot is what I ended up with. I was a little worried when running the Intel Burn Test. I felt for sure it was going to crash, nope, 100% stable! Max temps I saw were on the Intel Burn Test with 74.8C on the CPU and 72C on the VRM's. No where near where I would be concerned about it, in games I do not break 60C at all.

I will say that while most people say just let XFR and PBO do it's thing with the X series processors, there is a little more tweaking that can be done. Overclocking the BCLK (102 here), and messing around with PBO settings (10x here) along with a vcore offset of -0.80.

The Ryzen DRAM calculator is an insanely powerful tool. I simply opened it up, entered my basic ram info and hit Calculate (fast), plugged the numbers in the bios and away we went!

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2600X is a sweet CPU. I have the Gigabyte Aorus X470 Ultra Gaming mobo as well and was able to overclock my 2400 RAM to 2666. As for overclocking the CPU I just let Ryzen Master handle it which does a good job of.
 
TangledThornz said:
2600X is a sweet CPU. I have the Gigabyte Aorus X470 Ultra Gaming mobo as well and was able to overclock my 2400 RAM to 2666. As for overclocking the CPU I just let Ryzen Master handle it which does a good job of.
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Have to remember I'm asking a lot when I want to run 4 ram sticks at 3200Mhz, imagine if I was running 2 sticks and asking for 2666mhz - i wouldn't have much of an issue.
 
Holy cow, thats insane m3ta1head. What kind of memory are you using?


I am running into an issue where my system locks up at idle due to the core voltage going too low (0.75 volts). I've come back to my pc after its sat idle for a while to find it fully locked up with only a hard reset fixing it.

Any ideas how to get around this? Thinking I'll have to back off on the negative voltage offset. Kinda annoying because that will mean the CPU wont boost as high.
 
pandora's box said:
Holy cow, thats insane m3ta1head. What kind of memory are you using?


I am running into an issue where my system locks up at idle due to the core voltage going too low (0.75 volts). I've come back to my pc after its sat idle for a while to find it fully locked up with only a hard reset fixing it.

Any ideas how to get around this? Thinking I'll have to back off on the negative voltage offset. Kinda annoying because that will mean the CPU wont boost as high.
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Try installing the ryzen balanced power plan in windows.
 
pandora's box said:
Holy cow, thats insane m3ta1head. What kind of memory are you using?


I am running into an issue where my system locks up at idle due to the core voltage going too low (0.75 volts). I've come back to my pc after its sat idle for a while to find it fully locked up with only a hard reset fixing it.

Any ideas how to get around this? Thinking I'll have to back off on the negative voltage offset. Kinda annoying because that will mean the CPU wont boost as high.
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You might have to back off the negative offset a little. I'm running -.05v currently (edit: just double checked, I'm actually at -.075v) because I was also getting instability with more negative values.

I'm using 2x8GB TridentZ F4-3200C14D, which is one of the better binned b-die kits. Definitely recommend either this or the 3600C15D kit if you are trying to push to 3400+ low latency. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205


mnewxcv said:
Try installing the ryzen balanced power plan in windows.
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Ryzen balanced is outdated, the one you want to be using is the built in Windows balanced plan. I set my minimum processor state to 30% and the chip idles at 2.2GHz @ .725v
 
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Really nice results!

Just started to mess with my 2600 and it too is a blast.


4.2 on 1.375v for several days. Still early and have not pushed [H]arder yet. You guys are killing it with the memory results as well!


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m3ta1head said:
You might have to back off the negative offset a little. I'm running -.05v currently because I was also getting instability with more negative values.

I'm using 2x8GB TridentZ F4-3200C14D, which is one of the better binned b-die kits. Definitely recommend either this or the 3600C15D kit if you are trying to push to 3400+ low latency. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205
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I think since I'm running 4 sticks of ram, I can't get above 3200mhz. Not really surprised. I've tried 3333mhz, but it just results in a bsod on windows boot no matter how much voltage i throw at it.

And I've gone with a -.001 offset for now. Seems to be idling at 0.825v, much better than the 0.75v. We shall see...
 
pandora's box said:
I think since I'm running 4 sticks of ram, I can't get above 3200mhz. Not really surprised. I've tried 3333mhz, but it just results in a bsod on windows boot no matter how much voltage i throw at it.

And I've gone with a -.001 offset for now. Seems to be idling at 0.825v, much better than the 0.75v. We shall see...
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I actually just double checked and I've got my offset set at -.075v, not -.05v. The only stability issues I was having previously were due to memory - it took me a good couple of weeks to dial in stable tight timings, lots of trial and error and endless memtest runs. And yeah, getting above 3200 with 4 sticks of ram is difficult - success will really boil down to the quality of the IMC on your chip more than anything. It is possible though - check this thread out for some ideas: https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-...-ryzen-ddr4-24-7-memory-stability-thread.html
 
m3ta1head said:
I actually just double checked and I've got my offset set at -.075v, not -.05v. The only stability issues I was having previously were due to memory - it took me a good couple of weeks to dial in stable tight timings, lots of trial and error and endless memtest runs. And yeah, getting above 3200 with 4 sticks of ram is difficult - success will really boil down to the quality of the IMC on your chip more than anything. It is possible though - check this thread out for some ideas: https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-...-ryzen-ddr4-24-7-memory-stability-thread.html
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Curious - What's your idle voltage in hwinfo64 showing?
 
m3ta1head said:
Nice work! I'm loving my 2600X as well - I originally purchased it to tide me over until Zen2 drops next year, but it's more than capable of holding it's own. I've got mine close to 8700K MCT levels.

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I was curious how your 2600X compared to a i7 6950x.

Cinebench R15
2600X: 181@4.3ghz
6950X: 184@4.4ghz

Considering the 100mhz difference, I'd say broadwell and Ryzen are now close to equal in single threaded performance.

It just blows my mind. Intel is still on a similar 14nm process that Broadwell launched on.

AMD has come a long way!
 
m3ta1head said:
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Did some more research and I found someone claiming that changing the "power supply idle control" setting in the bios to "typical current idle" can fix it. Guess I'll see tonight when I'm sleeping if the pc locks up or not. Interesting problem to have though, usually i'm dealing with crashing due to too much heat or not enough voltage under load. not had to deal with anything crashing at idle haha.
 
So I let memtest run overnight last night on all 4 sticks of ram at xmp ddr4 3200. Woke up this morning to 675 errors. I currently have them testing again while I'm at work at 2933mhz. I have a feeling I may have to step down to 2x8 sticks if I can't run at 3200mhz. Have a feeling if I went to 2 sticks I should be able to push the ram beyond 3200mhz.

On a good note it does seem enabling that power supply option has provided some stability as I didn't have a system freeze at idle during the evening
 
Got home from work a little bit ago. Memtest with 4 sticks at 2933Mhz same timings as XMP passed with no errors. I took 2 sticks out and I'm now running 2x8GB sticks. Was able to go back to 3200MHz with "fast" timings using the Ryzen DRAM Calculator.

I tried going above 3200MHz and this motherboard is not having any of it. Constant boot loops no matter what timings I go with or how much voltage I give it.
 
And I'm an idiot...Double checked some settings using Thaiphoon Burner. I must have missed where it said my ram is single rank and not dual rank. Taking that and putting it into DRAM Calculator got me booted into windows at 3433MHz @ 14-14-14-28-1T :)

Now that I've figured that out...Time to tweak some more. Super impressed with the performance gain from 3200Mhz to 3433MHz :eek:

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pandora's box said:
And now I'm having fun again haha. m3ta1head you have been challenged, lol

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could you help me figure out how to use that program? Thaiphoon shows my specs just fine, but the dram calculator doesn't seem to offer a 2400mhz option, which is what this kit is. When I select my dies, rank, and module number, then hit R-XMP, this is what comes up:

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looks like its suggesting I run 11-12-12-12-24-35 @ 2800mhz when stock is 17-17-17-39-55 @ 2400mhz. Is that accurate?
 
mnewxcv said:
could you help me figure out how to use that program? Thaiphoon shows my specs just fine, but the dram calculator doesn't seem to offer a 2400mhz option, which is what this kit is. When I select my dies, rank, and module number, then hit R-XMP, this is what comes up:

looks like its suggesting I run 11-12-12-12-24-35 @ 2800mhz when stock is 17-17-17-39-55 @ 2400mhz. Is that accurate?
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So in Thaipoon you want to hit export and save it as a HTML file. Then in DRAM calculator at the bottom left hit "Import XMP", this will import the numbers on the left (ns numbers mostly). Be sure to set the number of modules you have and the frequency you want (even though it looks to be grayed out you can still chose other frequencies than the default). Then hit Calculate Safe or Calculate Fast. Plug those numbers into your bios.
 
m3ta1head said:
Nice work man! I've been unable to push to 3600 - is that result with 2 or 4 dimms?
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That's with 2 dimms. I have some work ahead of me as the system blue screened on me after about 30 minutes. I may just stick with 3433mhz for now. Annoying how the bios jumps from 3433mhz to 3600mhz being the next stepping for ram overclocking.

System has been idle most of the evening and it seems I've fixed the locking up at idle too. not sure if it was that psu setting in the bios or the ram being configured wrong.
 
If I didn't have a 7820x I'd get a 2700x in a heartbeat. But it makes no sense for me. Plus I'm highly considering a 2990wx.
 
m3ta1head said:
Nice work man! I've been unable to push to 3600 - is that result with 2 or 4 dimms?
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yeah 3600 is a bitch, takes a crap load of tweaking and even then you're still at the mercy of the IMC being able to handle it.
 
I am currently running my new 2700x at 4.1GHz and the RAM at 2933MHz. I tried to go to 4.2 and 3200 respectively but kept crashing. Turns out, after I built my new rig, I completely forgot to install the mobo drivers. 17 years of building my own PCs and I finally made a boneheaded mistake. I did install the mobo drivers but haven't tried to up it back to 4.2/3200. Nice numbers on your 2600x, OP.
 
McClintoc said:
I am currently running my new 2700x at 4.1GHz and the RAM at 2933MHz. I tried to go to 4.2 and 3200 respectively but kept crashing. Turns out, after I built my new rig, I completely forgot to install the mobo drivers. 17 years of building my own PCs and I finally made a boneheaded mistake. I did install the mobo drivers but haven't tried to up it back to 4.2/3200. Nice numbers on your 2600x, OP.
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LOL happens to us all. I've got about 30 years in computer hardware/building/hotrodding and still make the odd d'oh! I'm surprised it doesn't happen more since I can get seniors discounts in just about any drug store :D
 
Ok so a lot of people say that p state OC isn't the way to go but I think I may get to 4.3 out of this 2600 since I'm under 1.4v at 4.2. Again using Pstate 0 set to a8 with a + .25v offset on CPU only. I like that the cpu will down clock on idle this way. Shooting for a 24/7 sweet spot OC.


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If you can get 4.3 on all cores then all core overclock is the way to go. Most cpus won't do that though.
 
Maybe I'll get lucky! Stock XFR gets me to 3.9 and as temp rises it settles at about 3.725 visible when I use MSI afterburner and set all the cores visible in the OSD. I'm looking at just a couple of hundred megahertz so definitely won't go too heavy on volts or heat. Not worth it. Right now the Pstat 0 setting of 4200 is working on all cores so maybe good enough?
 
I am not trying to be an ass,built 2600X around a month ago,tried all the overclocking from changing settings to BLCK with modified BIOS .Seems like AMD Ryzen Balanced power plan is really not a bad way to run your chip but takes all the fun out of overclocking.
I have settled on a simple little thing for running my 2600x.I set the CPU volts to 1.3 and the computer work great for what I do ,lots of gaming and some video encoding for those games,been working for over a month and I would not say it is PRIME95 stable at 1.3 for 24HRS but I also would never run PRIME95 for that long.

Anyway cut to the chase video I made last month running some games and video encoding.
 
I’ll check the vid when I’m home. Thanks for sharing.

Your not being an ass. The first gen Ryzen chips really showed the potential of AMDs boost game. The refresh really cements that. The X chips are darn near maxed out of the box and do just fine in a plug and play setting. Even Kyles review of the 2700x talks about the hand OC not really being worth the effort. Paraphrasing here.

As mentioned earlier an all core OC is useful under workloads where all the cores are utilized.

Personally on my vanilla 2600 getting 4200 instead of 3700ish on auto seems worth it.

Plus it’s fun to mess with regardless. I appreciate what has been shared here as far as max OC and especially memory tuning.
 
With the release of Threadripper 2990WX, it seems AMD has released a new version of Ryzen Master with Precision Boost Overdrive enabled. I did some testing this morning with it on my Asrock X470 Taichi motherboard and a 2600X. XFR2 was enabled with a CPU voltage offset of -0.10 volts.

It seems the Ryzen Master software has hard limits for PPT, TDC, and EDC. Not sure about other x470 motherboards, but I can say if you have a Taichi board - you do not want to use Ryzen Master for PBO overclocking. The limits in the BIOS are significantly greater than what Ryzen Master offers.

With Ryzen Master you are limited to:
  • PPT of 128 Watts
  • TDC of 80 Amps
  • EDC of 125 Amps
With Asrock Taichi BIOS PBO you have:
  • PPT of 740 Watts
  • TDC of 480 Amps
  • EDC of 650 Amps
In the screenshot below you can also see that CPU voltage is being limited by Ryzen Master.

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I got a similar score of 1309 using the updated Ryzen Master set to auto too, XFR is enabled too. Hadn't tried PBO, don't like the warranty void that comes with it plus it doesn't seem to help much after reading your post.

Interesting we have similar scores as my RAM is slower than yours at 8Gbx2@2666. I wonder if my Adata SX8200 NVME SSD drive is a factor as your SSD is older/slower?
 
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CPU: Ryzen 5 2600x
PSU: Corsair CX550
MB: Msi x470 Gaming Pro (mod bios v14)
GPU: Asus Turbo Gtx1070 8gb
RAM: Patriot 4 dual channel kit 2x8gb rated at 3200mhz (but cant get it stable that is why i am asking for help)

Hi Guys Found this Thread and i had to register to seek for help.
It looks like all of you had a very intensive tweak and testing so probably you could help me to tweak my system.

With the mod bios F6 Load Default and select profile 2 XMP (the 3200mhz profile) seems to boot (not always) but when it does it will Blue screen as soon as i try memory test (is use MemoryTest 5 v12 pattern by 1usmus).
If i Select XMP profile 1 (the 2933mz) seems all ok, and actually if i use the "Memory Try" with lower timing (14-16-16-16- 34 // 69-382 1T) it is holding with no errors
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I am trying to use the Dram Calculator but i do not know how to input all the numbers in the modded bios
some number are not present or are not numbers but combination of number and letters instead
for examble instead of lets say 16 clk i have numbers and h i cant remember now i need to see the bios.
anyway even if i do this changes it seems not to work and i need to "loose" timing but this is what i dont know how to do. can you guys help me to try tweaking this ram?? so annoying is not working Stock
and also if i export my bios profile can i share it here with you and can be edited for exaple with notepad++
so i can re import it if you can edit it for me, so i can at least see what you have changed?

Thank You in advance to who will help me.
 

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