locked 2500's?

See it like this:

Clockspeed measures how many operations your proc does on a second or so i think, so if you only see it like that. The 2.4c (2.4GHz) does more ops than the Barton 2500+(1.6GHz).
But you have to look at the FSB, the 2.4c comes with a standard 200Mhz, and the barton with 166 MHz. Now the FSB measures how many instructions your system can transfer on a second. So its given, with 2.4c you have more instructions being sent to you cpu per sec.

Now for prices,

Intel 2.4c goes around for $170, for that you get 2.4GHz & 200 FSB

Barton 2500+ goes around for $90, for that you get 1.66 GHz and 166 FSB

Now if you OC a barton to 200 FSB, you end up getting 2.2 GHz and 200 FSB, and that's for $90!

you get the picture....

And thats without thinking of mobos, for the Northwood core, the prices are almost reaching $200, and for the barton, the both contenders ASUS and ABIT are about $100 each.

With Intel you end up spending $370 for proc & mobo

With AMD you end up spending $190 for proc $ mobo
 
so how true does the ratio have to be? if i run it 220 on the cpu and 217 it'll be same as 1:1 right?
 
Originally posted by chinoquezada
Clockspeed measures how many operations your proc does on a second or so i think, so if you only see it like that. The 2.4c (2.4GHz) does more ops than the Barton 2500+(1.6GHz).
But you have to look at the FSB, the 2.4c comes with a standard 200Mhz, and the barton with 166 MHz. Now the FSB measures how many instructions your system can transfer on a second. So its given, with 2.4c you have more instructions being sent to you cpu per sec.

P4s have longer pipelines to the core to carry out the instructions so they are a lot less efficient than Athlons. This is why Athlons can compete with more higher clocked P4s - innovation.
 
My original 2500+ was a 2003 week 23 and it wouldn't oc for crap. Even at 1.85v it wouldn't hold 11x200 stable. This new 2500+ 2003 week 44 is multiplier locked :eek: but runs 11x200 at default voltage :p I'm very happy right now and I am planning on trying to hit 11x220 very soon. Cheers to all, I'm in a good mood.
 
Originally posted by topslop1
My original 2500+ was a 2003 week 23 and it wouldn't oc for crap. Even at 1.85v it wouldn't hold 11x200 stable. This new 2500+ 2003 week 44 is multiplier locked :eek: but runs 11x200 at default voltage :p I'm very happy right now and I am planning on trying to hit 11x220 very soon. Cheers to all, I'm in a good mood.

LET THE CRAZY DANCING COMMENCE!
 
Originally posted by Dome
is 220:217 as good as 1:1?

Don't even think about that man. Just run 1:1. Plus, PC3500 should be able to oc 3mHz no problem from 217 to 220.
 
Whats goin on guys, i just registered and i must say after going to several different tech sites for info on my new comp I feel like i should be paying for the info i have gotten off of Hard OCP...
You all talked me out of the socket 754 a64-3000(waiting a year or 2 for 939) , i have not upgraded in like 5 yrs so i am kinda out of the loop but so far:

Bought:
Made by ATI 9800 pro
Antec Sonata 380 Tru Power
Hitachi CM 721f Monitor
TB Santa Cruz Sound Card

Will Buy:
Corsair XMS 3200 512x2
Barton 2500
Abit NFS-7

How do u guys think that looks?
will i need to buy a new heatsink and fan for the cpu or can i get 11x200 stock cooling??
Thanks alot, any help is appreciated, i hate to say im a newbie even though i go back to an old 386, but its time for me to get back in this and doom3/hl2 were good enough reasons
 
I just noticed how crazy that looks.. i am goin form a 400 mhz cpu to a barton 2500 and am asken about overclocken, heh oh well you guys sound like your haven to much fun;)
 
Originally posted by Jugo4c
I just noticed how crazy that looks.. i am goin form a 400 mhz cpu to a barton 2500 and am asken about overclocken, heh oh well you guys sound like your haven to much fun;)

Posted new thread for you :)
Should get more responses :D
 
Originally posted by Jugo4c

Will Buy:
Corsair XMS 3200 512x2
Barton 2500
Abit NFS-7

How do u guys think that looks?
will i need to buy a new heatsink and fan for the cpu or can i get 11x200 stock cooling??

The DFI series of nforce2 boards is really nice. A NFII Ultra Infinity is $95 from newegg.

I have owned several abit boards over the years, and the build quality just feels nicer on the dfi.

AS far as the stock hs/f, depends on your ambient temperatures and the individual chip. I think it is a pretty nice heatsink for stock. I got decent load temperatures, but were a tad high for my liking. I decided to upgrade to a zalman 7000a-al cu.

Good luck!
 
plz don't steal thread :(

i don't really care cuz this thread was pretty much dead and its nice to know you're reading old threads, but in the future its kind of bad manners to use someone else's thread to ask your own questions...anyhow not to flame or anything, but yeah welcome to the [h]orde
 
Thanks for your responses, ill have to look into that dfi board , i have been hearing alot about the nfs-7 and i cant compain about $90
... dome my bad i didnt meet to thread crap or anything, i had a question about a 2500 overclock in my post :) and after reading through four pages of this post i just figured you guys were knowledgable and to post it here, my bad
 
Originally posted by kronchev
/me cries for having only PC2700 ram :(

/me cries for having Geil PC3500 that can't make it past 182mHz on CAS2 :(
 
Originally posted by DaveX
/me cries for having Geil PC3500 that can't make it past 182mHz on CAS2 :(

/me cries for not knowing what the hell you're talking about ;)
 
Originally posted by Dome
here's a question tho:

why overclock a barton when for the same price as a barton + cooling you could buy a P4 2.4c and run it stock at speeds as fast as the barton and higher?

i mean thinking cost-wise here is there a reason for me to pick the barton system and overclocking instead of going w/ intel and just putting the parts together and turning it on?

right now, price-wise, i'm not saving any money on the amd system because of overclocking stuff. infact, the intel system is almost 100 dollars cheaper...

I know the 2.4C P4 would probably be faster than a 2500+ at 166 FSB and default clock speed, but I'm not convinced it could beat the overclocked Barton at 200FSB/2200 mhz
 
Originally posted by MemoryInAGarden
I know the 2.4C P4 would probably be faster than a 2500+ at 166 FSB and default clock speed, but I'm not convinced it could beat the overclocked Barton at 200FSB/2200 mhz

The 2500+ @ stock and the 2.4C @ stock do about the same. The 2500+ @ 2.2gHz is almost equivalent to a 3.0C :)
 
Can we still change the multiplier via modding the L3 bridges? Or is it permanently seared into the chips like Intel's multi locking :(

I would definitely need to try something more like 12x or 12.5x multiplier, 2200mhz is too slow for my tastes and my ram will probably not go much over 200.
 
too slow for your tastes eh? It runs anything and everything flawlessly at stock. Games dont need more, programs dont need more. But I do know if you're a speed demon like myself - 200 fsb is more than enough right now. I'm going to take this chip even higher in a few months from now, but right now it's just not necessary.
 
topslop what kind of heatsink/fan u got on that nf7-s ... i just bought one along with a 2500 dont know how to cool it to hit 200 fsb
 
Originally posted by topslop1
too slow for your tastes eh? It runs anything and everything flawlessly at stock. Games dont need more, programs dont need more. But I do know if you're a speed demon like myself - 200 fsb is more than enough right now. I'm going to take this chip even higher in a few months from now, but right now it's just not necessary.

Bragging rights + low cost performance is what I am looking for. Running 2400MHz rather than 2200MHz would help in encoding and such so I'm all for it if I can do it, but as it is I can't afford new RAM as well as a new processor :)
 
Originally posted by CSx-2011
The DFI series of nforce2 boards is really nice. A NFII Ultra Infinity is $95 from newegg.

I have owned several abit boards over the years, and the build quality just feels nicer on the dfi.

AS far as the stock hs/f, depends on your ambient temperatures and the individual chip. I think it is a pretty nice heatsink for stock. I got decent load temperatures, but were a tad high for my liking. I decided to upgrade to a zalman 7000a-al cu.

Good luck!
i did have the infinity till i killed now im on a LANPARTY board. the infinitys and lanpartys easily hit 240+ on the fsb.
 
i think its wrong cuz when i have it set @ barton and fsb 200 with multi @ 11 it shows up as 2700 on that site not 3200
 
Originally posted by BBA
Did you guys ever figure out how to unlock Bartons?

If not, the answer is here:

http://www.ocinside.de/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html


It worked on the locked 3200 I got from Kyle.

*Buzzer* wrong answer. Sorry, but try again..

There are alternative methods, and it was posted on t he [H] front page... if you used that method and it worked, you dont have a (super) locked barton.
 
Originally posted by diredesire
*Buzzer* wrong answer. Sorry, but try again..

There are alternative methods, and it was posted on t he [H] front page... if you used that method and it worked, you dont have a (super) locked barton.

WRONG yourself..Think again.

Just how many XP3200's are old enough to be unlocked ones?

ANSWER: NONE

The wire trick DOES work. Mine was definitely verifably locked, and the wire trick unlocked it.

Now...go piss off and flame to someone who will believe your inexperience.
 
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