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Linux performance is looking good compared to Windows

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“Ubuntu 25.10 is looking to be around 15% faster than Windows 11 25H2 for this AMD Ryzen 9 9950X desktop with a mix of creator-focused workloads. No real upsets compared to prior rounds of Windows 11 vs. Linux benchmarking. Going with the likes of CachyOS can yield even greater advantages over the typical Ubuntu out-of-the-box performance too.

Stay tuned for more Windows 11 25H2 vs. Linux benchmarking, including a look at CPU and GPU AI performance.”

Source: about:srcdoc

https://www.phoronix.com/review/windows-11-25h2-ubuntu-2510/6
 
No surprise here. I'm running CachyOS and Manjaro before that and both distros have been beating the piss out of Windows on performance for a while. The performance gap is only going to get bigger as well. MS doesn't care about OSes anymore and it's been obvious for years that the OS people are anything but the best.
 
DukenukemX said:
This new Sheaves" Per-CPU Caching Layer thing is giving AMD some massive wins in performance. Something like +70.59%, +126.89%, +112.89% performance increase. The patch was meant for all CPU's but the biggest win was AMD. Something about how L2 and L3 cache is scheduled? I'm not entirely sure.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Sheaves-AMD-Performance
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I think all the big gains being reported, are on many core AMD setups. Having said that I think this should also benefit dual CCD parts at least a little. Probably be a small bump for consumer grade parts, a little bigger on thread ripper type things. The real winner will be the many epyc chip setups. I think. Guess we'll see soon.
 
SmokeRngs said:
No surprise here. I'm running CachyOS and Manjaro before that and both distros have been beating the piss out of Windows on performance for a while. The performance gap is only going to get bigger as well. MS doesn't care about OSes anymore and it's been obvious for years that the OS people are anything but the best.
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Never heard of CachyOS (and FWIW, I'm playing with Kubuntu), but it just reminds me of Linux's Achille's heel - modability.
Linux is modable, which attracts developers, but scares away users that are looking for stability.
The reason MS has so many users, is because your OS is supposed to form the backbone interface for all of your other software.
Linux has software incompatibilities, depending on which distro you are on.
It can never be a replacement for Windows (everyday user) until the majority of Linux users and advocates standardize around one distro.
If Linux developers focused all their efforts on stability and usability efforts for one distro, you would have that.
However, due to its open-source nature, I just don't see that happening, unless there is a concerted effort/movement by the Linux community.
 
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mullet said:
I hope these test at the very least will encourage people to try Linux, the force is strong with the Penguin.
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We could hope, but....... If it's not already installed on the PC when they get it, it doesn't matter how much better Linux might be for a given use case, or that all of that users software runs fine on it. MS has so many users because it's what comes installed on the PC, and because of office.
 
Good point! What is the solution, selling thumb drives pre loaded with simple picture instructions on how to try it on a bootup?
 
Gorankar said:
We could hope, but....... If it's not already installed on the PC when they get it, it doesn't matter how much better Linux might be for a given use case, or that all of that users software runs fine on it. MS has so many users because it's what comes installed on the PC, and because of office.
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AND the new generation (early 20's and below) are even less concerned than your 90 year old grandmother. The ones I work with have no idea how to do basic things in windows. If something doesn't work they just stare at it.

Just anecdotal, but it seems like a trend to me.
 
sleepeeg3 said:
Never heard of CachyOS (and FWIW, I'm playing with Kubuntu), but it just reminds me of Linux's Achille's heel - modability.
Linux is modable, which attracts developers, but scares away users that are loking for stability.
The reason MS has so many users, is because your OS is supposed to form the backbone interface for all of your other software.
Linux has software incompatibilities, depending on which distro you are on.
It can never be a replacement for Windows (everyday user) until the majority of Linux users and advocates standardize around one distro.
If Linux developers focused all their efforts on stability and usability efforts for one distro, you would have that.
However, due to its open-source nature, I just don't see that happening, unless there is a concerted effort/movement by the Linux community.
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Respectfully. Completely 100% disagree with every one of your points. :)

"Stability" has a lot of meanings... and its a word that seems to have different meaning to different people. Yes Linux attracts developers, it attracts basically everyone that is installing a OS. The "average" user if we are going to say average user uses windows because it came with the PC they bought. That is the only reason. If that wasn't the case, we would all be using windows phones. Instead the majority of users are on Android which is a Linux distro. People with steam decks rarely wipe them and install windows on them? Why is that? Well its simple the Linux distro on their steam deck just works... and generally works better.

The entire point of Linux is it can be used for all use cases.... having ONE distro would make Linux pointless. I wouldn't run the same distro I run on my desktop on a handheld, I might even run a different distro on a laptop. There are no software comparability issues that is just not true. Linux software works on Linux. Distro to distro software may have a different package manager that has a different package format. There is no incompatibility. VLC installed in Ubuntu or Fedora or Arch is still the exact same software. That is true for all packages. Is it true that some distros are better suited to specific tasks? Of course that is the point. If you want to run a bunch of server database software, your not going to use Mint a distro aimed at a email machine experience for grandma. I mean you could make it work, but really you want a server version of Linux. This isn't any different from windows either. Last I checked MS still sells windows server, and windows pro, and windows enterprise... and windows home.

On the idea that developers need to focus on one distro. All I can say is I don't think many people really know how much Linux is used with "high" end software these days. Windows is generally only used on consumer stuff at this point. Studios that need adobe stuff... I mean they are mostly using macs, not windows systems. For almost everything else they are using Linux. To give you a real world example the VFX industry. SideFX Houdini at this point is probably the most widely used software of its kind. Its used at Walt Disney Animation Studios, Pixar, DreamWorks Animation, Double Negative, ILM, MPC, Framestore, Sony Pictures Imageworks, Illumination Studios Paris, Scanline VFX, Method Studios and The Mill. And pretty much every smaller studio doing everything from VFX work for netflix projects to TV commercials. Sidefx has always supported Linux... I mean render farms aren't running windows. Even just a few years ago though they lised as supported Linux distros basically RHEL and CENT (free version of RHEL). That was pretty much what they would support... it ran on any Linux but they wouldn't help you.
Today SidefX lists the follow as 100% supported distros, if a VFX studio buys system76 laptops running Pop no problems, if the render farm is on RHEL and workstations on Rockey no problems:
Linux (64bit):
Ubuntu 20.04+ LTS
Debian 12.0+
RHEL 8+
Fedora 32+
CentOS 8+
Linux Mint 20.3+
Pop!_OS 20.04 LTS
Rocky 8+
AlmaLinux 8+

Linux works this way as its based on standards. The kernel is the kernel. This is why its important that Linus is our benevolant dictator. He keeps BS out of the kernel. The frameworks to create Linux software are the same frameworks being used to create windows software these days. Linux distros are interchangable, run the one you like. The masses won't addopt Linux on mass until copanies start shipping it on consumer hardware. That is just the turth. A "average" user isn't installing any operating system themselves including windows. How many "average" users are going to just go buy a new windows 11 PC rather then upgrade. Gamers will end up with steamos when they buy their deck and sounds like upcoming steam console. For more advance users like those of use here on [H] we can install any linux distro we like. To be honest they all game about the same these days. I have a preference for CachyOS and arch in general, realistically any Linux distro tweaked for performacne is going to game about the same.
 
Gorankar said:
We could hope, but....... If it's not already installed on the PC when they get it, it doesn't matter how much better Linux might be for a given use case, or that all of that users software runs fine on it. MS has so many users because it's what comes installed on the PC, and because of office.
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This is the main issue yes. As the variety of linux distros has come up. That isn't really the issue as much as there isn't a major OEM championing one. Ubuntu got close to being that at one point... but frankly when Canc first started pushing and getting Ubuntu pre installed on some DELL machines as an example. Linux just wasn't actually ready for that. It was a great option for devleopers that needed a new laptop.... though those users could just install the LInux they wanted on any laptop so it just became a away to save a little on a laptop. (which didn't help convince Dell I'm sure)
SteamOS is great if they start shipping it on more hardware, but it seems like they are a long way from comitting to things like general OEM laptop installs.
POPos is great if your specifically buying a system76 machine.... but they are a small player.

Not going to lie I'm not sure I see the big OEMs like HP really abandoning windows. Not unless something crazy happens like Nvidia decides they are going to make their own version of LInux to sell N1X (or its follow up at this point) into the consumer space. Microsoft doesn't seem capable of making windows arm work all that well. If Jensen does that though does it really help x86 machines? Probably not. Seems to me the windows space will just keep getting widdled down untl there comes a point where the major PC OEMs will just have to pick a distro. I don't think that is crazy either... heck we could even see something insane happen in the next few years. IBM has been IBMing up red hat for a few years now. They have been doing actually quite well in their server/big iron spaces. Red Hat was a shot in IBMs ass. Imagine... IBM, IBMing up a version of Fedora for PC OEMs. The return of the IBM PC. Its not impossible. lol
 
auntjemima said:
AND the new generation (early 20's and below) are even less concerned than your 90 year old grandmother. The ones I work with have no idea how to do basic things in windows. If something doesn't work they just stare at it.

Just anecdotal, but it seems like a trend to me.
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They just don't use windows anymore. Phones, game consoles.
When they do use things like laptops. Its not like it was when most of us grew up. Things they do generally just work. When a machine gets slow or blue screens to much you just do the windows restore and start over.
 
sleepeeg3 said:
Linux is modable, which attracts developers, but scares away users that are loking for stability.
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Every OS is "modable" and every OS hates it when you do, including Linux distros. Especially the Linux Mint guys who do not like it when I install custom kernels and PPA's. Do you think MacOS is stable once people install enough applications to get it the same functionality as Windows? Even Windows users mod Windows 11 to look and act like Windows 7/10 and it isn't a stable experience. Most servers in the world run Linux because it's stable.
The reason MS has so many users, is because your OS is supposed to form the backbone interface for all of your other software.
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People use Windows because it's familiar and that's where all their stuff is. There's a reason why distros that look and act like Windows are so popular, because it's familiar. CachyOS's KDE Plasma feels like Windows 7 to me and that's the way I like it. ElementaryOS are for MacOS users who are looking for familiarity.
Linux has software incompatibilities, depending on which distro you are on.
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No it doesn't. If anything it has dependency issues which are mostly rectified if you go about it a few different ways.
It can never be a replacement for Windows (everyday user) until the majority of Linux users and advocates standardize around one distro.
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Please no. If there was such a distro then it would be Ubuntu because a lot of distros are based on Ubuntu or Debian. CachyOS is based on Arch and it saves me a lot of time by being a rolling release. One could say the same thing about Windows because Windows 10 was suppose to be the last Windows but we're up to 11 now, and it sucks. Actually Windows sucked since 8 but good thing we all stuck with Windows 8, said nobody ever.
If Linux developers focused all their efforts on stability and usability efforts for one distro, you would have that.
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A lot of people, including myself, find Linux to be far more stable than Windows. It doesn't matter which distro you go with either. Maybe you should be asking when Microsoft will ever have a Windows as stable as Linux?

View: https://youtu.be/TbFIUu_7LIc?si=Lbtas4VYv6JZnbwS
However, due to its open-source nature, I just don't see that happening, unless there is a concerted effort/movement by the Linux community.
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Would be a cold day in hell.
 
I hope one of their future tests involves using a 7950X3D or 9950X3D. I'm curious to see performance compared both in gaming and the aforementioned creator-focused workloads when there's a significant scheduler usage necessary. I am not sure to what degree Windows has evolved since, but I remember that the AMD CPUs with a asymmetric 3D Cache arrangement at one point needed both Win11 with the ThreadDirector2 update (also necessary for Intel P and E core arrangements to work properly as I recall) plus the Xbox GameBar utility. While the first one is part of the OS updates, the second one is a separate utility where, if the GameBar flagged/detected an executable as a game, it would inform the scheduler to run it on the cache cores present on one CCD. Linux's scheduler by comparison handled the asymmetric cache cores a good bit better than Windows seemed to do at the time and without the need for an additional utility .
 
DukenukemX said:
Every OS is "modable" and every OS hates it when you do, including Linux distros. Especially the Linux Mint guys who do not like it when I install custom kernels and PPA's. Do you think MacOS is stable once people install enough applications to get it the same functionality as Windows? Even Windows users mod Windows 11 to look and act like Windows 7/10 and it isn't a stable experience. Most servers in the world run Linux because it's stable.

People use Windows because it's familiar and that's where all their stuff is. There's a reason why distros that look and act like Windows are so popular, because it's familiar. CachyOS's KDE Plasma feels like Windows 7 to me and that's the way I like it. ElementaryOS are for MacOS users who are looking for familiarity.

No it doesn't. If anything it has dependency issues which are mostly rectified if you go about it a few different ways.

Please no. If there was such a distro then it would be Ubuntu because a lot of distros are based on Ubuntu or Debian. CachyOS is based on Arch and it saves me a lot of time by being a rolling release. One could say the same thing about Windows because Windows 10 was suppose to be the last Windows but we're up to 11 now, and it sucks. Actually Windows sucked since 8 but good thing we all stuck with Windows 8, said nobody ever.

A lot of people, including myself, find Linux to be far more stable than Windows. It doesn't matter which distro you go with either. Maybe you should be asking when Microsoft will ever have a Windows as stable as Linux?

View: https://youtu.be/TbFIUu_7LIc?si=Lbtas4VYv6JZnbwS

Would be a cold day in hell.
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Yeah, the rolling release is why I'm on the Arch distro I am. Ubuntu LTS and bleeding edge were nothing but issues for me.

I am just one of many users, though, so again, anecdotal.
 
DukenukemX said:
A lot of people, including myself, find Linux to be far more stable than Windows. It doesn't matter which distro you go with either. Maybe you should be asking when Microsoft will ever have a Windows as stable as Linux?

View: https://youtu.be/TbFIUu_7LIc?si=Lbtas4VYv6JZnbwS

Would be a cold day in hell.
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If Windows was really that bad then you would have more than just one debunked clickbait video to repost over and over in every thread.
 
If I just surfed the web and did business stuff I'd be on Linux. Since I game, I'm not going to go that route.

Linux has its place but it's not for the average bear, yet.
 
DooKey said:
If I just surfed the web and did business stuff I'd be on Linux. Since I game, I'm not going to go that route.

Linux has its place but it's not for the average bear, yet.
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The only games that I can't play on Linux are Epic games that use kernel level anti-cheat. Otherwise I play whatever I want from my steam and epic games libraries.
 
auntjemima said:
The only games that I can't play on Linux are Epic games that use kernel level anti-cheat. Otherwise I play whatever I want from my steam and epic games libraries.
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Kernel level anti-cheat and DRM are the primary reasons many of the modern games that don't work under Linux, don't work. Some drivers also present issues for some hardware as well. But most modern but not bleeding edge stuff has at least functional nix drivers. Steam OS may be a driving force in the future if Valve decides to ask for, or pay for, and get more manufacturers support on this front.

Two of Linux's biggest problem have always been money, and egos. Either there is not enough money and development is, a side project, a hobby, that doesn't pay the bills, or there is too much, and greed interferes. And excess ego, well there is plenty of that in the community that sometimes gets in the way.

There really should not be any technical reasons for Linux to not be able to replace Windows at this point in time. But there still are, which is somewhat maddening.
 
GotNoRice said:
If Windows was really that bad then you would have more than just one debunked clickbait video to repost over and over in every thread.
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Windows issues are legion and have been for as long as I've run Windows, which started with 3.1. Windows' constant problems and issues were the backbone of revenue/profit for computer shops since the mid 90s.

And don't get me started on the Windows update system. What a fucking piece of trash. And that's leaving out MS' ability to throw out bad update after bad update.
 
auntjemima said:
Yeah, the rolling release is why I'm on the Arch distro I am. Ubuntu LTS and bleeding edge were nothing but issues for me.

I am just one of many users, though, so again, anecdotal.
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I had recently setup two other computers I have that were running Linux Mint and switched them over to CachyOS and it took me a few hours to set then up. I don't have to hunt down the latest software because the Arch repository is already at the latest. If it isn't there then it's on the AUR. I just type in the printers name and it shows up and then I hit install. To install the latest Eden emulator I just hit install and done. Not even using a command prompt as I just use Octopi.
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If Windows was really that bad then you would have more than just one debunked clickbait video to repost over and over in every thread.
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Remember when AMD's threadrippers were running really slowly on Windows compared to Linux?

View: https://youtu.be/M2LOMTpCtLA?si=ZLNuwdgEQl5lTjKb

How about that time when an antivirus was able to crash many Windows machines around the world?

View: https://youtu.be/N6oqKRrWU5I?si=_FBTHvKEbjaU6hmE
 
15% difference in workloads mostly CPU dependent (as opposed to I/O waiting) is a lot.

I would be really curious to learn how Microsoft achieves this. Sadly since it is closed source no way to look it up. But surely 15% difference can't come from a slightly screwed up CPU scheduler.
 
DukenukemX said:
all stuck with Windows 8, said nobody ever.
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Hah! I stuck with 8, but I get your point. It's still my main OS, until I get around to installing Kubuntu 22, due to some lack of driver support in 24. By stable, I mean the code.
Windows is closed source so you are not "modding" the operating system - you are just running software on top of it. I use Open-Shell, which runs as a software process 24/7.
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The masses won't addopt Linux on mass until copanies start shipping it on consumer hardware. That is just the turth.
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I had one point and that was that it won't be adopted, because of it's modability.
There are multiple versions, which creates software incompabilities.
Why would most companies adopt one distro, if they can't be assured that the distro will be continually supported?
What if the software they use is not compatible with the distro a company they work with uses?
You listed basically one niche industry with some supported distros. I am glad you brought that up! Where is Arch Linux, from the OP, in that list?
See the problem?

I try to approach this objectively. I feel some Linux supporters need to open their eyes on how to make Linux the platform of choice - I would love it to be! ...or maybe they don't care, because they're part of the elitist, Linux master race. ;)
 
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Great idea. Lock down the platform to the point of it becoming dominated by yet another monopoly like windows, android, etc. What would be the point of such a silly exercise?

I will kindly pass such "solutions". If some companies, with their closed source and/or platform-lock-in manure, skip the ecosystem because of that: so be it. If newcomers to the ecosystem get confused: so be it. If we need to cancel "the year of the linux desktop" because of that, and if we get called elitist for it: so be it.
 
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Hah! I stuck with 8, but I get your point. It's still my main OS, until I get around to installing Kubuntu 22, due to some lack of driver support in 24. By stable, I mean the code.
Windows is closed source so you are not "modding" the operating system - you are just running software on top of it. I use Open-Shell, which runs as a software process 24/7.

I had one point and that was that it won't be adopted, because of it's modability.
There are multiple versions, which creates software incompabilities.
Why would most companies adopt one distro, if they can't be assured that the distro will be continually supported?
What if the software they use is not compatible with the distro a company they work with uses?
You listed basically one niche industry with some supported distros. I am glad you brought that up! Where is Arch Linux, from the OP, in that list?
See the problem?

I try to approach this objectively. I feel some Linux supporters need to open their eyes on how to make Linux the platform of choice - I would love it to be! ...or maybe they don't care, because they're part of the elitist, Linux master race. ;)
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I have set that software up on arch systems.... it works fine. Is my point. We are talking about actual official SUPPORT. The ones i listed are officially supported as in if you have paid SideFX a few thousand dollars for licenses and you call them up cause you have an issue with their software on a System76 laptop running PopOS, they will HELP you. If you put that software on a system using Mint, again they will help you.

Don't mistake what I was saying. I was saying they were growing their list of OFFICIALLY supported distros. In the case of SideFX we are talking about thousands of dollars in license fees. Yes their software runs on Arch. In fact I have seen pretty good size render frames running arch, and rendering via Karma their render engine.

If you want a company to use workstations. Then yes they would contract a company like IBM to set them up with RHEL, or canonical to run Ubuntu, or SUSE to setup SLES. If a company like Valve wants to make steam OS, they can take the bones of Arch Linux and create steamos. If Nvidia needs a Linux distro (which they do and they have) their Nvidia Linux is based on Ubuntu as a matter of fact. Microsofts Azure Linux is home grown. Amazons cloud services were running on RHEL and I believe they have now moved to a Fedora base, which is essentially the same thing anyway.

There is no such thing as Linux software that won't run on ANY distro. Its not even possible. As I was saying some distros are best suited to one use or another. Like I said you could do something silly like setup a multiple terrabyte server using Linux Mint. I mean its Linux of course you COULD do it... but we have distros that are much better suited to that task. By better suited we simply mean they are going to be better designed for headless operation as an example, or be setup to more easily integrate things like the ZFS file system, or have defaults and kernels built with say Kyber (METAs Storage IO scheduler). So you COULD do that on Mint, but ideally you select a distro you don't have to add onto or bolt a bunch of things in to do the job. Why not just use the right tool. On the other hand if you want to set your mother up a Email / web browsing box... you don't need to install all that network stack, and disc IO stuff or things like Live patching. (We have some server distros that allow you to patch running kernels so they never ever, in theory at least require a reboot or down time... this is the basis of IBM/Red Hats Power server claims of 30s average annual down time per server)

Anyway Linux distros are not a one size fits all. If your talking about CONSUMER products. Well that is a something else. We have consumer distros such as ChromeOS. Most people don't love em. Mint is probably the closest thing to what you suggest. The thing is the industry doesn't have to support 100 distros. As long as they support one they are golden. I know the article you posted suggests their are incompatibilities between distros. Really that is just FUD. Its simply not correct. Their are incompatibilities between packages sure. Most distros have a package manager, and software can be packaged as .deb .rpm arch packages are a tar ball. We also have distro agnostic containerized things like flatpak. No you can't download a .deb file and use it on a .rpm distro... but the software inside works its just not packaged correctly. Most distros compile packages for you form source and then add the proper .deb .rpm or tar into their repository. However if you are on say Fedora and you really really need some commercial software that only has a .deb... ok we have utilities that just re package the software. Its the equivalent of unzipping an archive and re zipping it into a format the package manager knows. The binary software inside the package is identical.

And yes I do understand how Linux works. I get that average Joe user isn't going to be re packaging RPMs or DEBs or compiling GIT software form source into a arch linux pacman tar ball. Again the average Joe IS NEVER EVER Going to make it the year of the Linux desktop. That is only ever going to happen when a major OEM mover of systems makes it happen. Maybe Valve moves a ton of Steam Consoles... and that starts a snow ball? Maybe, but really imo until desktops and laptops start shipping to regular Joes with some version of Linux its just not happening. Google did sort of try with ChromeOS... but ChromeOS was never aimed at anything more then super low end connected devices. My guess would be it will be Nvidia that makes the next push... we'll see what happens. I don't expect Linux to put Microsoft out of the consumer space any time soon. Though MS seems to really be trying to piss people off enough that it may be actually possible. :)
 
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sleepeeg3 said:
By stable, I mean the code. Windows is closed source so you are not "modding" the operating system - you are just running software on top of it. I use Open-Shell, which runs as a software process 24/7.
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What exactly do you mean by stable? Linux is considered the most stable OS in the world.
I had one point and that was that it won't be adopted, because of it's modability.
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Forgive me but modability? You do realize how much software you use that's "modable"? Android is open source. MacOS is built on Darwin and therefore parts of it are open source. Is anyone saying these are unstable because they're open source?
Why would most companies adopt one distro, if they can't be assured that the distro will be continually supported?
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Distros don't work the way you think. Linux Mint is supported because it's based on Ubuntu. If a company supports Ubuntu then it's easy to support... hold on.
  • Linux Mint
  • Pop OS
  • Zorin OS
  • Elementary OS
  • Kubuntu

The same goes for Arch and Fedora as lots of distros are based on them as well. When you distill distros you get a variation of Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, and Arch. Distill distros even further and they're a mix and match of other open source projects like MESA, GRUB, Pipewire, and etc. Distros are nothing more than a variation of these.
  • Repositories
  • Default software
  • Default settings
  • A logo
What if the software they use is not compatible with the distro a company they work with uses?
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That's not how desktop Linux works. All software works as long as you have dependencies. If you don't want to deal with dependencies then you go with... hold on.
  • Snapd
  • Flatpak
  • AppImage
If software is made using any of these packaging methods then it'll work on any distro. ANY DISTRO.
I try to approach this objectively. I feel some Linux supporters need to open their eyes on how to make Linux the platform of choice - I would love it to be! ...or maybe they don't care, because they're part of the elitist, Linux master race. ;)
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Linux is already a choice, but it's a matter if it's a fit for you. The problem Linux has is that no company wants to take it seriously due to security reasons. Not because Linux isn't secure, because it is the most secure OS in the world, but because they can't be sure their software is secure due to "modability". Take Netflix for example as there's no 4k support for Linux due to the fear that anyone can get around it. They make use of HDCP which is supported on Linux but Netflix still won't allow 4K. Same goes for games as kernel level anti cheat does work on Linux but certain game companies won't support it due to fear of Linux being easy to circumvent it. Roblox constantly tries to prevent people from running the game on Linux. Funny enough, the new method called Sober has a Fluthub that works on any distro.

For Linux to be the "platform of choice" it would need to become Windows and MacOS and that's not what people want. The recent growth of Linux is mainly due to Microsoft screwing up Windows by doing things that nobody wants them doing to Windows. People feel like they've lost control over their computer and that's the reason people migrate to Linux. You give that control to a corporation then we're back to Windows and MacOS. Then it would be Linux by name and not by ideology. At this point all Linux has to do is get better while Windows and MacOS gets worse. Desktop Linux is at 4% which is nearly 1/4 of MacOS's current representation.
 
Shoganai said:
I've been moving many of my customers lately over to Linux because their computers can't update to Windows 11 and they're enjoying it a lot. It's mostly been Linux Mint Cinnamon. I've even upgraded some older Macs to Linux as well.
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Home PCs, I hope. For corporate customers (with teams of lawyers) you need linux with support behind it like Ubuntu or Redhat. Support = lawyer shield.
 
billabong132 said:
Home PCs, I hope. For corporate customers (with teams of lawyers) you need linux with support behind it like Ubuntu or Redhat. Support = lawyer shield.
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Yes the corpo world and insurance requirements have a lot of silly requirements. Anti virus sometimes being another. Lol
 
sleepeeg3 said:
Never heard of CachyOS (and FWIW, I'm playing with Kubuntu), but it just reminds me of Linux's Achille's heel - modability.
Linux is modable, which attracts developers, but scares away users that are looking for stability.
The reason MS has so many users, is because your OS is supposed to form the backbone interface for all of your other software.
Linux has software incompatibilities, depending on which distro you are on.
It can never be a replacement for Windows (everyday user) until the majority of Linux users and advocates standardize around one distro.
If Linux developers focused all their efforts on stability and usability efforts for one distro, you would have that.
However, due to its open-source nature, I just don't see that happening, unless there is a concerted effort/movement by the Linux community.
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"Everyday users" pretty much use all web based things now a days anyways so linux is fine, and there are plenty of stable distro's out there, such as Ubuntu, Mint Linux, Debian, various Arc versions that work just fine and are stable and have many "day-2-day" apps many people use already, such as web browser or messenger apps.
 
zerogg said:
Pretty much the only thing that kept me on windows for years was games.
It sounds like linux is finally getting good enough support. I'm probably going to make the switch.
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This was the problem for me as well. I've been dealing with Linux since mid 2000's where I had an argument with my Chubb's Institute teacher on how Linux was the future and he thought I was stupid as hell. Windows 2000 server was all anyone ever needed. I of course never dailied Linux for a number of reasons, but the main reason was games. I've had machines running Linux for personal server reasons, but never beyond that. Web browsing was fine if you were OK without any graphics acceleration, which took a while before Chrome and Firefox would default to this. In 2021 I made the choice to switch to Linux full time because of the disappoint that was Windows 11. I still got my Windows 10 boot SSD just in case I need to go back.
ChadD said:
To be fair it is hard to replace an Adobe mac machine with a Linux box
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I don't know about Mac but it's still hard to leave behind Photoshop. Technically I never did, but it wasn't always working great. I use CS6 exclusively because I don't need the newer Photoshop. Oddly, CachyOS somehow makes the menus in CS6 work correctly which is something that didn't mostly work before on Linux Mint. If I were a professional photo editor then I can see why you'd never want to leave Windows and MacOS. I have not found a substitute for Photoshop and I went through great lengths to make GIMP work like Photoshop but it just doesn't cut it. I've also had no luck running Fusion 360 on Linux throughout 2025 and had to boot into Windows just to make some 3D things to 3D print. Fusion 360 is another one that I haven't found an alternative.
 
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