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JSumrall

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The problem is the Bluetooth standard appears to be a loose one at best. Certain phones would work fine, then there'd be a software update and suddenly they would stop working, certain phones were just outright problematic. You'd assume Android phones would be the worst offenders, but that actually wasn't the case - Apple devices were shocking.



Switchable graphics solutions are a problem, although most issues should be sorted by using the very latest drivers (which means adding the driver PPA in the case of Ubuntu variants). When it comes to laptops, I've always avoided switchable graphics solutions like the plague - Intel iGPU's all the way as I don't need outright GPU power in a laptop. Remember, Linux gives you the option to update graphics drivers, updates aren't forced - If you find a driver that works you can stick with it.

As far as games are concerned, they're the easiest to install, especially under Steam. The process is no harder than Windows. Even Lutris isn't hard: Just install Lutris, install the game via the easily downloadable script and you're golden.
While some games may be, I can guarantee you every game that I play is incredibly difficult to install, to get running, and to keep running if you ever do get it running. I don't play a huge variety of games as I tend to focus mainly on MMOs, but of the MMOs I do play/have tried to play on Linux (SWTOR, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV) none of them were easy to install and get running. FFXIV, the MMO I'm currently playing will work maybe once before it stops loading at all.

Almost nothing is 'easy' about Linux in my experience. Obviously your experience may be different. There's just always some kind of 'well, if you do this, this, and this..." it'll work fine.
 

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. Remember, Linux gives you the option to update graphics drivers, updates aren't forced - If you find a driver that works you can stick with it.
They aren't forced in windows either. I get a notification that there is a new driver, but it's never downloaded without asking me and it's definitely never installed without me initiating it.
 
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While some games may be, I can guarantee you every game that I play is incredibly difficult to install, to get running, and to keep running if you ever do get it running. I don't play a huge variety of games as I tend to focus mainly on MMOs, but of the MMOs I do play/have tried to play on Linux (SWTOR, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV) none of them were easy to install and get running. FFXIV, the MMO I'm currently playing will work maybe once before it stops loading at all.

Almost nothing is 'easy' about Linux in my experience. Obviously your experience may be different. There's just always some kind of 'well, if you do this, this, and this..." it'll work fine.
This was definitely my experience. Or the trusty "well it works for me".

Neat.
 

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They aren't forced in windows either. I get a notification that there is a new driver, but it's never downloaded without asking me and it's definitely never installed without me initiating it.
That all depends on Windows 10 Professional or Home. Under Windows 10 Home everything is forced.
 

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That all depends on Windows 10 Professional or Home. Under Windows 10 Home everything is forced.
I can't comment on that.

Are we talking ANY driver, or just Nvidia video drivers? I thought we were discussing the latter.
 

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While some games may be, I can guarantee you every game that I play is incredibly difficult to install, to get running, and to keep running if you ever do get it running. I don't play a huge variety of games as I tend to focus mainly on MMOs, but of the MMOs I do play/have tried to play on Linux (SWTOR, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV) none of them were easy to install and get running. FFXIV, the MMO I'm currently playing will work maybe once before it stops loading at all.

Almost nothing is 'easy' about Linux in my experience. Obviously your experience may be different. There's just always some kind of 'well, if you do this, this, and this..." it'll work fine.
I admit, I don't play MMO's.

However everything I have installed under Wine/Proton/DXVK has generally run without hassle assuming it's listed as supported under ProtonDB. In fact, when I have had issues I've actually fixed them using the exact same fixes required under native Windows.
 

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I admit, I don't play MMO's.

However everything I have installed under Wine/Proton/DXVK has generally run without hassle assuming it's listed as supported under ProtonDB. In fact, when I have had issues I've actually fixed them using the exact same fixes required under native Windows.
I have had game issues, and then none. I get the feeling I messed up an install of Ubuntu once. I had constant errors trying to install a steam ark server and then again trying the litrius wow script.

Months later with a new Linux install and both tutorials works flawlessly. Who knows. I must have messed something up lol
 

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I can't comment on that.

Are we talking ANY driver, or just Nvidia video drivers? I thought we were discussing the latter.

Under Windows 10 Home it doesn't matter, driver updates are forced. There's 'fixes', but if they work at all, they don't last long term unless you want to hack user profiles to prevent updates entirely - Which isn't really ideal.
 

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I have had game issues, and then none. I get the feeling I messed up an install of Ubuntu once. I had constant errors trying to install a steam ark server and then again trying the litrius wow script.

Months later with a new Linux install and both tutorials works flawlessly. Who knows. I must have messed something up lol

The only thing I can't get to run (well, it runs and immediately kicks me from the server) is BF4 - However that's 100% Punkbuster and Punkbuster sucks.

Based on the 30 or so seconds I can run the game, if it wasn't for that the game would run awesome.
 

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The problem is the Bluetooth standard appears to be a loose one at best. Certain phones would work fine, then there'd be a software update and suddenly they would stop working, certain phones were just outright problematic. You'd assume Android phones would be the worst offenders, but that actually wasn't the case - Apple devices were shocking.



Switchable graphics solutions are a problem, although most issues should be sorted by using the very latest drivers (which means adding the driver PPA in the case of Ubuntu variants). When it comes to laptops, I've always avoided switchable graphics solutions like the plague - Intel iGPU's all the way as I don't need outright GPU power in a laptop. Remember, Linux gives you the option to update graphics drivers, updates aren't forced - If you find a driver that works you can stick with it.

As far as games are concerned, they're the easiest to install, especially under Steam. The process is no harder than Windows. Even Lutris isn't hard: Just install Lutris, install the game via the easily downloadable script and you're golden.


If anyone wants to play games and has trouble playing the game of his or her choice on Linux, you can always dual boot. Use Windows specifically for gaming.
 

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If anyone wants to play games and has trouble playing the game of his or her choice on Linux, you can always dual boot. Use Windows specifically for gaming.
Then you get to the point of, if windows can do EVERYTHING and Linux can do everything but gaming, why even dual boot? Why go out of your way to use an OS that isn't able to do everything vs one that can?
 

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The problem is the Bluetooth standard appears to be a loose one at best. Certain phones would work fine, then there'd be a software update and suddenly they would stop working, certain phones were just outright problematic. You'd assume Android phones would be the worst offenders, but that actually wasn't the case - Apple devices were shocking.
I have no experience on that except my own and for me things have been smooth with my Sony/B&O BT devices and the Audi.
 

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The only thing I can't get to run (well, it runs and immediately kicks me from the server) is BF4 - However that's 100% Punkbuster and Punkbuster sucks.

Based on the 30 or so seconds I can run the game, if it wasn't for that the game would run awesome.
Just stop using cheats. Punk. :happy:
 

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Then you get to the point of, if windows can do EVERYTHING and Linux can do everything but gaming, why even dual boot? Why go out of your way to use an OS that isn't able to do everything vs one that can?
Because you never have to worry about anything Microsoft does, like trying tiurn their desktop into a Playschool Apptop, locking down installs with a mandatory MS account (which hasn't happened yet, but if you don't know how to bypass it, people do it and then can't even log on without internet), tryng to get all wndows programs in a MS store before installing, making Windows 10 HOME force you to update, no matter what, and a slew of other MS idiot stunts, including privacy issues. The only thing you would ever run on Windows would be games. If you want to search for FAP material, you'd do that on your Linux box.
 

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While some games may be, I can guarantee you every game that I play is incredibly difficult to install, to get running, and to keep running if you ever do get it running. I don't play a huge variety of games as I tend to focus mainly on MMOs, but of the MMOs I do play/have tried to play on Linux (SWTOR, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV) none of them were easy to install and get running. FFXIV, the MMO I'm currently playing will work maybe once before it stops loading at all.

Almost nothing is 'easy' about Linux in my experience. Obviously your experience may be different. There's just always some kind of 'well, if you do this, this, and this..." it'll work fine.
Just out of curiosity, which distro do you use?
 

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Then you get to the point of, if windows can do EVERYTHING and Linux can do everything but gaming, why even dual boot? Why go out of your way to use an OS that isn't able to do everything vs one that can?
I'm sorry but Windows can't stay up without booting for 5 years if need be. Windows can't give you control over the things it does. Windows can't give you transparency over what happens under the hood. Windows can't give you the freedom to control exactly what your computer does and when. So no, Windows can't do everything. In fact, Windows can only dictate your life, nothing else. The gaming part is a nice way to control the masses. Bread and circus my man. Bread and circus.
 

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I'm sorry but Windows can't stay up without booting for 5 years if need be. Windows can't give you control over the things it does. Windows can't give you transparency over what happens under the hood. Windows can't give you the freedom to control exactly what your computer does and when. So no, Windows can't do everything. In fact, Windows can only dictate your life, nothing else. The gaming part is a nice way to control the masses. Bread and circus my man. Bread and circus.
It might very well be hard to believe but when I tell windows to do something, it does it. When I open a program to complete a function, it does it. I don't need to edit a script, change a permission, make something bootable, install dependencies, update every single aspect of my system first or scour forum posts from 16 Linux versions ago because something that worked on 18.x might not work on 20.x.

edit: this is not comparable on windows. I have been on Windows 10 now for numerous major ubuntu releases. I am pretty sure I was on 15 or 16 when I installed Windows 10.

edit2: I upgraded a windows vista install to windows 7, to windows 10 beta and then finally retail windows 10. In that process my programs still worked. People give windows such a bad rap because of the telemetry installed when in the end its the corporational aspect that is inserting that. It doesn't mean the OS doesn't work and do exactly as expected.

edit3: Windows may very well have the foothold it does in the mainstream because of the shady tactics of Microsoft, but in the end Linux would have never surpassed it with the "mine works fine" crowd and the requirement to make scripts to do basic tasks. People want easy. They would gladly go to hell over heaven if the pathway was easier, and quite frankly it is, and they do.

A simple task would be my mouse sensitivity. In windows, I turn it down. TA DA. In linux the lowest option was still nuclear speed. I had to make a script to run it slower and then make it executable and THEN add it to startup. God forbid it didn't load at startup (which is randomly didn't) because the speed was so fast it was unusable.
 
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If anyone wants to play games and has trouble playing the game of his or her choice on Linux, you can always dual boot. Use Windows specifically for gaming.
I have a dedicated computer for only windows gaming and I don't use it for anything else. Not even browse the news online.
 

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For what it's worth, the Punkbuster issue under BF4 is also an issue under Windows. Linux is essentially Win32 compatible now, I have no need for Windows and that's my choice.

I've never had any more trouble finding fixes in the rare occasion I've had an issue under Linux than finding solutions for issues under Windows.
 

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While some games may be, I can guarantee you every game that I play is incredibly difficult to install, to get running, and to keep running if you ever do get it running. I don't play a huge variety of games as I tend to focus mainly on MMOs, but of the MMOs I do play/have tried to play on Linux (SWTOR, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV) none of them were easy to install and get running. FFXIV, the MMO I'm currently playing will work maybe once before it stops loading at all.

Almost nothing is 'easy' about Linux in my experience. Obviously your experience may be different. There's just always some kind of 'well, if you do this, this, and this..." it'll work fine.

The problem with that thought process is that privacy then takes a backseat and for me, that is one thing I can no longer afford to allow. I have a 1TB SSD with a stripped down version of Windows 10 just for gaming, if it is a game I really want to play and cannot get it going under Linux.
 

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For what it's worth, the Punkbuster issue under BF4 is also an issue under Windows. Linux is essentially Win32 compatible now, I have no need for Windows and that's my choice.

I've never had any more trouble finding fixes in the rare occasion I've had an issue under Linux than finding solutions for issues under Windows.

Well, Easy Anti Cheat games and some that are not run through steam have issues or just do not work. I cannot get Red Dead Redemption 2 to run, since I own the Rockstar Launcher version but that is why I have a gaming install of Windows 10, for things like this. Mind you, this is entirely on my own personal computers and I do not get others to use Linux, since they are content with what they have.
 

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The problem with that thought process is that privacy then takes a backseat and for me, that is one thing I can no longer afford to allow. I have a 1TB SSD with a stripped down version of Windows 10 just for gaming, if it is a game I really want to play and cannot get it going under Linux.
I get it, trust me I do. I sit here and spend brain cells thinking about privacy, security, and how much I hate what corporations and governments the world over are stealing from us every day either for greed, control, or both. And people are just giving it away for free by using Google search, Microsoft Windows, Amazon, and any number of other services online and it is literally being weaponized against us right under our noses.

I was recently speaking with someone who works for Interpol and he told me with the way things are now, the only way for them not to know anything and everything about you, is to live like it's the 1970s and completely unplug. If they want to get information on you, regardless of what steps you take, they can, and will, get it.

Which is a pretty depressing thought.
 

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I get it, trust me I do. I sit here and spend brain cells thinking about privacy, security, and how much I hate what corporations and governments the world over are stealing from us every day either for greed, control, or both. And people are just giving it away for free by using Google search, Microsoft Windows, Amazon, and any number of other services online and it is literally being weaponized against us right under our noses.

I was recently speaking with someone who works for Interpol and he told me with the way things are now, the only way for them not to know anything and everything about you, is to live like it's the 1970s and completely unplug. If they want to get information on you, regardless of what steps you take, they can, and will, get it.

Which is a pretty depressing thought.
To be quite frank, the white knight security guys in here who refuse to use windows because of the lack of privacy are wandering around with a tracking device in their pockets at all times.

Talk about irony.
 

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To be quite frank, the white knight security guys in here who refuse to use windows because of the lack of privacy are wandering around with a tracking device in their pockets at all times.

Talk about irony.

To be quite frank, the only thing they can track on my phone anymore is the IMEI, IESI and GUID, which cannot be eliminated. I am going to move to a Linux based phone when they become daily driver material.
 

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To be quite frank, the only thing they can track on my phone anymore is the IMEI, IESI and GUID, which cannot be eliminated. I am going to move to a Linux based phone when they become daily driver material.
Brough to you but the Android App Store! Don't worry, we are the good guys!
 

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I'm sorry but Windows can't stay up without booting for 5 years if need be. Windows can't give you control over the things it does. Windows can't give you transparency over what happens under the hood. Windows can't give you the freedom to control exactly what your computer does and when. So no, Windows can't do everything. In fact, Windows can only dictate your life, nothing else. The gaming part is a nice way to control the masses. Bread and circus my man. Bread and circus.
That's accurate wince all sorts of information is always being sent back to MS and there is no way to opt out of it. It's the same thing with Android and iOS.
 

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That's accurate wince all sorts of information is always being sent back to MS and there is no way to opt out of it. It's the same thing with Android and iOS.
and mac os...
and id like to see that magical mac he mentions running for 5 years straight...
 

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But you do not need iOS or Android.
At the end of the day, if the straight Linux solution did everything I needed in a phone, I'd switch in a heartbeat - And I don't need much in a phone. But my business is hosted around Gsuite (which does apparently respect personal data as a paid product) and I need access to my Gmail, my Drive and my calendar. I'd also like my calendar to sync seamlessly with my navigation as it does now on my phone.

Apart from that, all I need to do is make calls and SMS/MMS as I don't use my phone for anything else.
 

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and mac os...
and id like to see that magical mac he mentions running for 5 years straight...
I've posted my uptime records. Not from macbook though, although even that runs easily 10-20 times longer than Windows without the need for a boot.
 

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I've posted my uptime records. Not from macbook though, although even that runs easily 10-20 times longer than Windows without the need for a boot.
but you told me you do not use linux. so what are you talking about then?! lol anyone that works with macs knows thats not true either.
 

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but you told me you do not use linux. so what are you talking about then?! lol anyone that works with macs knows thats not true either.

It's like you came in here looking to pick a fight? I hope that's not the case as everyone's entitled to their opinion. If you don't agree with it that's your problem, not theirs.
 

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but you told me you do not use linux. so what are you talking about then?! lol anyone that works with macs knows thats not true either.
I have never told such a thing obviously. I use Windows for games, OSX for daily routines and media editing and linux for anything server related. Each OS plays their strengths.
 
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