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Ramp8g said:
duh.

What planet do you live on? And I wouldn't put a Creative sound card in your machine let alone my own. And Linux still can't come up with unified audio support. Pulse Audio? What are you kidding? I also wouldn't use any MS driver, especially for my mobo. :rolleyes:
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I didn't say that buying a Creative card was a good thing. The last one I owned was an Audigy 1. Havent' bought one since.

As far as unified audio support, if you don't like Pulse Audio... guess what... you can get rid of it and choose something else. The choice is yours.

As far as MS drivers for Nvidia mobos. You can go ahead and use the Nvidia drivers, but I was one of the few that didn' t lose data due to the corruption problems that Nvidia was having due to their southbridge drivers on earlier Nforce boards. Hell when Nvidia was going through the problems they actually advised you not to install them.
 
Does anyone have a spell that kills Trolls on sight? If you do, can you like, yanno, cast it... quick... ? ;)
 
Gimp might be faster than CS3 at startup, too bad once it's running it sucks epic wind after that. No one making their earning with photos/graphics cares about how fast GIMP loads since none worth their salt use it.
 
kac77 said:
Who was that anyway? I forget.
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It will take the fun out from discovering. One guy claimed he was beta testing for Microsoft since 1986. In order to beta test DOS, you either have to have friends at MS or work for them. Maybe, he was a HACKER with a 300 baud modem with X and Y transfer without any CRC tool, and copy and pasting each terminal screen to download. He also said, all the people who use VMs to test are idiots, but he never install Linux on a barebone PC. He also has few thousand Linux certs.
 
requiemnoise said:
It will take the fun out from discovering. One guy claimed he was beta testing for Microsoft since 1986. In order to beta test DOS, you either have to have friends at MS or work for them. Maybe, he was a HACKER with a 300 baud modem with X and Y transfer without any CRC tool, and copy and pasting each terminal screen to download. He also said, all the people who use VMs to test are idiots, but he never install Linux on a barebone PC. He also has few thousand Linux certs.
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LOL Hey now you can do some mean things with ProComm. :D
 
I really want to laugh at just how ridiculous requiemnoise is becoming... I swear, I feel like I'm chatting up with an AI bot on IRC once again, and I haven't done that in 10 years... the responses are almost exactly the same depending on the given input, I swear. :D

I don't know whether to laugh or feel really sad for the person...
 
kac77 said:
LOL Hey now you can do some mean things with ProComm. :D
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He could have done a dotmatrix print out all the binary characters, but how you put that together? If I remember correctly Z modem wasn't around till 1987 or 1988. Downloading few megs without CRC on a 300 baud old coupler modem? That's hardcore. Of course, I am probably going to be told, I know jack shit without few thousand Linux certs, because I was a WildCat OP.
 
requiemnoise said:
He could have done a dotmatrix print out all the binary characters, but how you put that together? If I remember correctly Z modem wasn't around till 1987 or 1988. Downloading few megs without CRC on a 300 baud old coupler modem? That's hardcore. Of course, I am probably going to be told, I know jack shit without few thousand Linux certs, because I was a WildCat OP.
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I helped run a WildCat BBS in college. Those were the days!:)
 
Linux is faster than Windows doing what? There are 1000s of things to be slower or faster at... it's faster at confusing the average user! :D
 
heatlesssun said:
I helped run a WildCat BBS in college. Those were the days!:)
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Yea, but I think Renegade had better features. Did you made some money back then? If you ran a private server, you could easily charged $20/month for 8megs without any upload credit per month. Oh, glorious 80s porn... When people warez porn mags to pay for school.
 
requiemnoise said:
Yea, but I think Renegade had better features. Did you made some money back then? If you ran a private server, you could easily charged $20/month for 8megs without any upload credit per month. Oh, glorious 80s porn... When people warez porn mags to pay for school.
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A couple of us got together and put some money to start it up but it ended up costing us, phone lines weren't cheap then.
 
heatlesssun said:
A couple of us got together and put some money to start it up but it ended up costing us, phone lines weren't cheap then.
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Yea, you will have a loss on your 1st year. You will need few grands to get few lines and modems. Of course, you will need a MAC with a scanner. People didn't made a scanner for Windows or DOS till much later than Mac. Also, you had to advertise on the back of Computer Shopper mag. It wasn't cheap, but it was a profitable business.
 
requiemnoise said:
Yea, but I think Renegade had better features. Did you made some money back then? If you ran a private server, you could easily charged $20/month for 8megs without any upload credit per month. Oh, glorious 80s porn... When people warez porn mags to pay for school.
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Was all about Oblivion/2.
 
xorbe said:
Linux is faster than Windows doing what? There are 1000s of things to be slower or faster at... it's faster at confusing the average user! :D
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But much slower at getting viruses, spyware, fragmented disks, and BSODs. And much slower at draining your bank account, too. ;)

At least the windoze fans are finally admitting that most people just aren't smart enough for linux and need a dumbed down OS like 'doze. :p
 
synaptical said:
But much slower at getting viruses, spyware, fragmented disks, and BSODs. And much slower at draining your bank account, too. ;)

At least the windoze fans are finally admitting that most people just aren't smart enough for linux and need a dumbed down OS like 'doze. :p
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Whaddya mean "finally admitting" - I've been saying that for over a decade now, and if you wanna dumb an OS down, just add an X... OS... X, that is... :D

I mean really: no other Mac OS release used Roman numerals, so Apple was betting on "The X Factor" when they chose to represent OS 10 with OS X - that's why I call it OS X as in "Oh Ess Ecks" because that's what they chose to name it.

If they want(ed) it called OS 10 they should have named it OS 10.

Talk about dumbing things down... geez. I'll bet they won't be calling the eleventh edition OS XI... :)
 
Joe Average said:
Whaddya mean "finally admitting" - I've been saying that for over a decade now, and if you wanna dumb an OS down, just add an X... OS... X, that is... :D

I mean really: no other Mac OS release used Roman numerals, so Apple was betting on "The X Factor" when they chose to represent OS 10 with OS X - that's why I call it OS X as in "Oh Ess Ecks" because that's what they chose to name it.

If they want(ed) it called OS 10 they should have named it OS 10.

Talk about dumbing things down... geez. I'll bet they won't be calling the eleventh edition OS XI... :)
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Ecks-Eye?
 
synaptical said:
But much slower at getting viruses, spyware, fragmented disks, and BSODs. And much slower at draining your bank account, too. ;)
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Begone, troll. This isn't 1998.
At least the windoze fans are finally admitting that most people just aren't smart enough for linux and need a dumbed down OS like 'doze. :p
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For as long as Linux takes such an elitist attitude and doesn't focus on an all-inclusive User Experience, it will never succeed as a desktop OS.
 
synaptical said:
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Let's see you boot to windows in 13 seconds. That's not FUD, that's fact. Most of the FUD is coming from the windows crowd, as usual.
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You are comparing a gutted out Linux distro. Now go do the same thing with Ubuntu vs Vista and get back to me.
 
Klob said:
You are comparing a gutted out Linux distro. Now go do the same thing with Ubuntu vs Vista and get back to me.
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What wrong with gutted out? I think he proved a fine point.
Oh, you can't do that with Windows, so it seems unfair. Right, Windows can't go on a diet. The fattie Oh fattie...
 
Arainach said:
For as long as Linux takes such an elitist attitude and doesn't focus on an all-inclusive User Experience, it will never succeed as a desktop OS.
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And thank god for that. I've never understood the push to put linux on the desktop. It's strengths have always been in the server realm, that's where all this desktop effort should have been focused instead.

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have alternatives, but I view it as a waste of resources.
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You are comparing a gutted out Linux distro. Now go do the same thing with Ubuntu vs Vista and get back to me.
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I think the fact that you can't gut a windows box is a fine point worth noting.
 
requiemnoise said:
What wrong with gutted out? I think he proved a fine point.
Oh, you can't do that with Windows, so it seems affair. Right, Windows can't go on a diet. The fattie Oh fattie...
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It's not a fair comparison. I could gut out XP too with XPLite, now that would be a more fair comparison. I could also install Win9x and boot way faster than any Linux distro. I don't care about boot times anyway, I care about false representation of what Linux really is.
 
Klob said:
It's not a fair comparison. I could gut out XP too and with XPLite, now that would be a more fair compariosn. I could also install Win9x and boot way faster than any Linux distro. I don't care about boot times anyway, I care about false representation of what Linux really is.
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By removing services from starting up? WOW Genius!
 
Arainach said:
Begone, troll. .
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Why is he a troll for making a statement. Oh, because he is a minority of the group. He must be a troll, because people can't debate within the issue. They are lost for words...
I think people who can't back up their statements and yelling "TROLL" are trolls.
This isn't 1998.For as long as Linux takes such an elitist attitude and doesn't focus on an all-inclusive User Experience, it will never succeed as a desktop OS.
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Do people really have issues with doing administrations with command lines? Is that reason? Users aren't going to do the administrations, it is up to the well paid Sysadmins.
If you are a home user, who feel the need to load and compile drivers within a GUI. It will be coming if that is the main reason that people complain.
 
OS vs. OS debates are asinine. Use what you like and stop trying to justify your preference to the world.
 
FoxhoundOp said:
OS vs. OS debates are asinine. Use what you like and stop trying to justify your preference to the world.
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A refreshing breath of fresh air in this thread. My hat's off to you, sir.

I use Linux on about a dozen servers, a pair of desktops, a laptop, and a netbook. The only Windows machine I have is a laptop issued to me by my employer. I choose Linux because it treats me the way I want to be treated, and is faster in running the applications I choose to run.
 
I haven't really seen a performance difference using Linux on my high end machine. Sure, if you gut it out and make it a bare-bones system with a super lightweight desktop environment, it'll probably run faster on low end hardware. However, in doing so, you also lose some functionality.

I don't want a desktop environment that looks like a stick-figure interpretation of a computer. I'm going to want something that resembles a modern desktop computer, so I'll probably end up using GNOME. When you're using GNOME, you don't really have a performance advantage anymore. On high end PCs, it's also not going to make a difference.

Would Linux be noticeably more responsive than Windows XP? My experience with the operating system tells me yes. Would it be faster than Windows Vista? My experience says no. Considering what I lose by moving to the Linux platform (Support for software that NEEDs to run natively, so WINE and Virtual Machines are absolutely out of the question. There's also other patrons using my computer who are familiar with using Windows, but not familiar with Linux. I'd rather not be interrupted with what I'm doing every 5 seconds to explain how to do things.), I don't see any real gain to justify making the switch.
 
Boomslang said:
A refreshing breath of fresh air in this thread. My hat's off to you, sir.

I use Linux on about a dozen servers, a pair of desktops, a laptop, and a netbook. The only Windows machine I have is a laptop issued to me by my employer. I choose Linux because it treats me the way I want to be treated, and is faster in running the applications I choose to run.
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If you agree with him then why do feel the need to follow that up with rationalizing to us why you do use Linux? I couldn't care less what OS you or anyone else here uses. What I don't like are pompous elitists who think they are smarter because they use Linux and not Windows.
 
AbJ32 said:
I haven't really seen a performance difference using Linux on my high end machine. Sure, if you gut it out and make it a bare-bones system with a super lightweight desktop environment, it'll probably run faster on low end hardware. However, in doing so, you also lose some functionality.

I don't want a desktop environment that looks like a stick-figure interpretation of a computer. I'm going to want something that resembles a modern desktop computer, so I'll probably end up using GNOME. When you're using GNOME, you don't really have a performance advantage anymore. On high end PCs, it's also not going to make a difference.

Would Linux be noticeably more responsive than Windows XP? My experience with the operating system tells me yes. Would it be faster than Windows Vista? My experience says no. Considering what I lose by moving to the Linux platform (Support for software that NEEDs to run natively, so WINE and Virtual Machines are absolutely out of the question. There's also other patrons using my computer who are familiar with using Windows, but not familiar with Linux. I'd rather not be interrupted with what I'm doing every 5 seconds to explain how to do things.), I don't see any real gain to justify making the switch.
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Are you sure you mean Gnome? KDE is far thicker and more closely resembles Windows in it's complexity. Gnome is thinner and is quicker and takes up far less memory to run than KDE or Windows (be it Vista or XP). As far as having programs that NEED to run natively. Same thing goes for avid Linux users. There's many programs that absolutely have no Windows counterpart. So really it comes down to which programs you prefer. The reason to switch is a completely different argument. The main reason I find is operating my computer with a different mindset. Money is a apart of it. However the ability to learn new and old technologies, without spending globs of money on something that really is public knowledge, is truly priceless. It truly is freedom.
 
I don’t think some Windows users understand. In the Linux community, we share our libraries. I guess some of you heard the various debates between QT vs GTK. We don’t have mountain loads of libraries conflicting each other so much that the main provider such as Microsoft needs constantly back up your entire system32 directory twice. Also, there is no OS out there that requires 20 gigs of space without any functional applications besides browser and media player. Gnome is very light compare to Windows. Next time, download some real taskmanagers and check how many dlls are loaded on your OS.

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Also, my suspicion of why MS is starting to use a server kernel of 2008 for a desktop OS is they know they have mountains of libraries loaded on the RAM. Even it might be something basic as running four applications, they all have conflict interest of libraries, because they might all have written by various paid programming tools. Windows environment can get incredibly complicated to write unless you write in very BLOATED C# that requires 200megs of libraries.
 
in my personal experience ubuntu, linux mint, or gos have been faster on my laptop then windows, in ubuntu i was able to watch video on it and with xp on it i wasn't able to listen to music because it ran so slow, but in the end on my main pc right now its now that big of a difference and if your pc if good enough i would run with a KDE environment rather then a gnome or xfce environment
 
Klob said:
If you agree with him then why do feel the need to follow that up with rationalizing to us why you do use Linux? I couldn't care less what OS you or anyone else here uses. What I don't like are pompous elitists who think they are smarter because they use Linux and not Windows.
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What if he never mentioned he uses Linux, but had a Linux shirt that says, "Linux Rocks."
Is he a still elitist? It is a called a freedom of speech. Wake up. Oh, if you are from a communist country, I'm sorry.
 
requiemnoise said:
What if he never mentioned he uses Linux, but had a Linux shirt that says, "Linux Rocks."
Is he a still elitist? It is a called a freedom of speech. Wake up. Oh, if you are from a communist country, I'm sorry.
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So its okay for me to have a t-shirt that says "Windows Rules" and not be considered a sheepish noob because its my right as well.
 
Arainach said:
For as long as Linux takes such an elitist attitude and doesn't focus on an all-inclusive User Experience, it will never succeed as a desktop OS.
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Good. That'll keep the malware writers busy writing for the windowz userz. :)
 
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