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Linux Distros Banned on Windows 10 S

Discussion in '[H]ard|OCP Front Page News' started by Megalith, May 19, 2017.

  1. Megalith

    Megalith 24-bit/48kHz Staff Member

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    People wanted to know if Linux distros would run on Windows 10 S, and that answer is a strict “No!” A Microsoft blogger reminds us that just because an app can be downloaded from the Windows Store, doesn’t mean that it’s appropriate for W10 S. This is especially true for command-line apps, shells and Consoles.

    Linux distro store packages are an exotic type of app package that are published to the Windows Store by known partners. Users find and install distros safely, quickly, and reliably via the Windows Store app. Once installed, however, distros should be treated as command-line tools that run outside the UWP sandbox & secure runtime infrastructure. They run with the capabilities granted to the local user---in the same way as Cmd and PowerShell do. This is why Linux distros don’t run on Windows 10 S: Even though they’re delivered via the Windows Store, and installed as standard UWP APPX’s, they run as non-UWP command-line tools and this can access more of a system than a UWP can.
     
  2. Jim Kim

    Jim Kim [H]ard|Gawd

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    Microsoft's [H]ardest OS yet.
     
  3. Vermillion

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    Man...why is MS even marketing this Windows 10 S(hit) version outside of schools?

    $1000 for a piece of a hardware that can only do what a Chromebook does for $250 and because of the Google Play Store the Chromebook can honestly do more. And yes before the shills come in I know people can pony up money go Pro. I know Pro is a free upgrade till end of the year. That doesn't change the fact that this SKU has no business being anywhere but on a cheap laptop for a school.
     
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    I don't know why anyone would expect Linux distro support on Windows 10 S, it doesn't support the Windows Subsystem for Linux.
     
  5. U-238

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    So you think Microsoft themselves are going to release an el-cheapo netbook with this on it instead? Think again, they'd get laughed out of the building if they did that. Their offering is nothing more than a "lookie what I can do" package. Once 3rd-party vendors get their hands on this you'll see plenty of $250-300 "Winbooks" to compete with the ChromeOS market.
     
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    Hypergreatthing [H]ard|Gawd

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    So late to the party without anyone onboard.
    Where have i heard this before? Windows phones anyone?
     
  7. DeathFromBelow

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    Why does Microsoft get to dictate what is 'appropriate' to run on a $1000 laptop?

    I guess it's embarrassing that Linux can actually run more Windows software than Windows 10 Shit edition can...
     
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    BlueFireIce [H]ardness Supreme

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    They get to dictate what they support on their OS, the hardware and price doesn't matter.

    This edition is more like a chromebook, not full blown Linux. Why this is surprising to people I have no idea.
     
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    jpm100 [H]ardness Supreme

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    I guess while you have your monopoly, use it to keep it.
     
  10. heatlesssun

    heatlesssun Pick your own.....you deserve it.

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    There's no $250 Chromebook that comes close to matching the hardware of the Surface Laptop. And at least until the end of the year moving from 10 S to 10 Pro is free. And Microsoft announced yesterday that users of Assistive technologies can move from 10 S to 10 Pro for free, very much like Windows 10 upgrades from prior versions of Windows are still free.

    I'll personally never run something like 10 S but for everyone that complains about Windows malware and with current WannaCry outbreak, it's obvious that in some situations 10 S makes a hell of a lot of sense. For now there are a number of paths to upgrade that are free and easy. Now as the Windows Store matures, as though slow it has been it has from five years ago, I could see making the upgrades not free as Windows 10 S is free to OEMs.
     
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    BlueFireIce [H]ardness Supreme

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    They can do as they wish with their own OS. There are other options, including totally free options. If you don't like it, use something else.
     
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    hmmm, am i the only one that would never have thought about using the windows store to download linux??

    LOL
     
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    Snowdog Pasty Nerd with Poor Cardio

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    Possibly because most of us would never have looked that far into the details of Window S, since we were never going to use it.

    But it was obviously that something like Linux would never be allowed on a locked down walled garden model.

    This does make the Windows Store kind of strange.

    Can you recognize the hidden level, of what will work on Windows S and what won't before you own a Windows S machine and try it?

    It's almost like MS should have a separate store for their walled garden and open machines. Kind of like what Apple did...
     
  14. heatlesssun

    heatlesssun Pick your own.....you deserve it.

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    The Windows Store has tags that identify the devices a particular app will run on and won't allow non-compatible apps to install obviously.
     
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    Snowdog Pasty Nerd with Poor Cardio

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    But can you search the store based on these tags, without the device?

    Say you want to check what software will be available for your Windows S machine before buying it...
     
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    heatlesssun Pick your own.....you deserve it.

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    There currently is no way to filter by device type/platform but that is something that has been suggested and something that Microsoft does need to make more obvious. As much as I think Windows 10 S makes sense for some it's obviously confusing and even this example was even though it should be obvious that Windows 10 S was not going to run a Linux shell that is an open environment for arbitrary code execution which is what 10 S precludes.
     
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    Guys, you are all too [H]ard for your own good. Y'all complain about Apple hardware and now Windows S?

    Anyone who would buy Windows 10 S isn't interested in Linux distros; just like anyone interested in high performance computing isn't buying Apple.
     
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    Microsoft loves Linux.
     
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    Windows 10 CeMENT Edition Edition.
     
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    So the complaint is the limited version of 10 is limited?.... So what, that's why it's cheaper than the full version, and aimed at students who only need limited functionality.

    MS has been making HUGE improvements as far as compatibility goes.... They have had ubuntu bash for windows 10 in beta for a while, and the new update brings like 4 more linux distros into the MS store that you can run... I no longer have to run a linux VM on my 10 machine to run bash scripts or other linux packages not available on windows.... I'm the only windows guy on our devops team, and even they are impressed with how much more open MS has become.
     
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    Lets see. Linux from the Store won't work on Windows 10 S. That is all this article says.

    Dual boot like we have been using for 20 years works just fine. (I think).
     
  24. Ur_Mom

    Ur_Mom I'm Not Serious

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    "Officially". Guaranteed that people will get it working on Windows 10S. Either as the Linux Subsystem or other route. It'll run on Windows 10S.

    And this 'banned' BS will be taken as a challenge.

    Not that it's really needed. If you're buying Windows 10S, you really aren't the target audience for Linux. Windows 10 users have some great Linux abilities (Linux Subsystem for Windows), but beyond that, there's nothing wrong with a dual boot or full on Linux box. Putting it on Windows 10S would just be a challenge, but not much more.
     
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    Wow, only two posts in and already using the shill tag. Damn, that did not take long at all around here, much be a new [H] record. :D Please just drop the personal insults before you start somethi..... Oh crap, too late. :D
     
  26. ManofGod

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    Damn, where is that dislike button? ;) :D Windows Phones were not to late, just that after multiple reboots and being abandoned, failure was all but certain.
     
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    They were too unsupported. Microsoft tried to get dev's onto the platform, from paying them to helping them develop apps. But, it was a no-go. Going from 7 to 8 required a new phone. 8 to 10 was fine, but lost support for newer builds. As time went on, Microsoft dropped more and more phones from the Insider program and newer builds. No new phone models, less carriers supporting them. Hell, every time I bought one, the Verizon rep would try and talk me out of it. No devs, no new models, Microsoft support is dwindling, The Nokia buy ended up bearing no fruit.

    The OS itself was great. I really miss it vs. my iPhone. But, the apps make all the difference. If I had the same apps on the Windows Phone, I'd be there. That, and a flagship phone and not the cheap-o model that is slow, tiny, shit display...
     
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    Quite late son.

    It wasn't really finished until the 2012 release of Windows Phone 8. And that's the same year MS actually started paying app bounties.

    Too little effort, way too late. iPhone was already up to version 5 by then, and the complete rework with IOS 7 was just around the corner.

    What reason did people have to leave THE ORIGINAL closed garden for another, when the original already had: better hardware, better app store, and an OS interface ideology rapidly bringing big changes of it's own?
     
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  29. ManofGod

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    Nope but, whatever. Redefining history does not change what actually happened. MS Based phones were around before the iPhone was ever released. Therefore, being late was not one of their issues, not that they needed another one anyways.
     
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    windows mobile 7 wasn't a real smart phone, it was a glorified feature phone.
    windows mobile 8 is the first smart phone like os that came close to android.
    By the time it entered the arena, the market was saturated. There was zero reason to get a windows phone.
     
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    So a free OS wont work on a cheap 'limited' version of windows?
    Why would anyone that can count to 2 would get a 'limited' version of windows.. you are much better off going with Linux.
    I guess that is the whole point of 'blocking' it.
    Net neutrality will take care of the rest when it come to linux distros, they'll make sure they'll never be free again by charging tons for the data :)
     
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    Right, just because Windows CE hearkens back to 1996 doesn't mean it was "early."

    It means they wasted 15 years just dicking around doing the same thing as they did on desktop. Windows CE was just Windows 95 running in pen mode, first optimized for touch pads/pen, and then later ported to touchscreen.

    Blackberry made inroads because it was innovative. iOS made inroads because it was innovative. Android made inroads because it was the "open" concept of Windows Mobile, only done much better. During that time, Microsoft kept releasing yet-another-Windows Mobile with the exact same stability issues and interface issues.
     
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    better having this crap on a different version than implementing it on the regular one, just let them add all the crap they want to that S version, and let them make it free, to see how many ppl will actualy install it...
     
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    The intersection set of the people who set up dual boot on their computers, and the people who will choose Windows S, is probably very close to 0.
     
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    Obvious to you and me, but many were saying this made Windows S more attractive... It's a messy way to handle things, but I guess that shouldn't be a surprise from Microsoft at this point.
     
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    so the only thing this operating system runs, which is windows store apps, are not all guaranteed to work.

    So you have to guess what can and cant run on your PC?

    fuck off.