Latest GTX 560 rumors

Ultima99 said:
Yeah its pretty much cut and dry on what to expect as far as GPU performance.

Its less clear if AMD's recent 2GB coup on the high end will affect nvidia before we see the 600 series.

With the 6850 having 1GB I cant see nvidia rationalizing a low end 560 model having less, and its possible a higher end might be 1.25GB.

I mean, we dont expect to see the 680 keep the 580's 1.5 or the 670 to keep the 570's 1.25 do we?
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a higher end 560 cant just have 1.25 of vram. it would have to be 320bit to have 1280mb so that is not happening since it will be a 256bit card.
 
cannondale06 said:
a higher end 560 cant just have 1.25 of vram. it would have to be 320bit to have 1280mb so that is not happening since it will be a 256bit card.
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I agree it'll be 1GB. My guess it'll be very high speed ram. Perhaps over 2ghz (over 4ghz effective) The higher end card will also have to be at least 5-10% faster than GTX 470 to beat 6870, 15% faster to beat 6870 across the board. In my other thread I stated I believe the GTX 565 (higher end one) will be close to GTX 570 @ 1920x10 but at 25x16 with high AA the extra memory bandwidth and bus will favor the 570 and bring it further apart.
 
the gtx470 is already equal to or faster than a 6870 in 99% of cases. a gtx560 will NOT be 15% faster than a gtx470. some of you are just wishfully thinking out loud.
 
cannondale06 said:
the gtx470 is already equal to or faster than a 6870 in 99% of cases. a gtx560 will NOT be 15% faster than a gtx470. some of you are just wishfully thinking out loud.
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your wrong look at the real world performance reviews just like the GTX 570 review. The GTX 470 is close to 6870 but loses in some games by about 10% at times.
 
Lord_Exodia said:
your wrong look at the real world performance reviews just like the GTX 570 review. The GTX 470 is close to 6870 but loses in some games by about 10% at times.
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I have looked through plenty of reviews and the gtx470 is equal to or faster most of time. on average overall it is even with 6870 at worst. either way the 560 will not be 15% faster than a 470.
 
cannondale06 said:
I have looked through plenty of reviews and the gtx470 is equal to or faster most of time. on average overall it is even with 6870 at worst. either way the 560 will not be 15% faster than a 470.
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http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/12/07/nvidia_geforce_gtx_570_video_card_review/3

Stop looking at 20 synthetic benchmark reviews and 1 real world and drawing your conclusion. See the 570 review here on hardocp, 470 and 6870 are there, you can extrapolate the performance difference between 470 & 6870 there. There are other real world reviews with way more games and YES they trade blows for the most part, sometimes the GTX 470 wins by 6% sometimes the 6870 by 10% or less, many times draw, it's all over the place and depends on the game. Again look through the very few 2 or 3 real world performance reviews and see they are close but the 6870 can be up to 9-10% faster than 470 at times. Saying the new 560 will draw a 470 is AMD fanboy wishful thinking by whoever really believes that. A 470 isn't enough, since they are coming with these 560s they'll go for the clear win on mainstream so as little as 10% faster and as much as 15% faster. I guess we'll see in a months time or so :)
 
Lord_Exodia said:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/12/07/nvidia_geforce_gtx_570_video_card_review/3

Stop looking at 20 synthetic benchmark reviews and 1 real world and drawing your conclusion. See the 570 review here on hardocp, 470 and 6870 are there, you can extrapolate the performance difference between 470 & 6870 there. There are other real world reviews with way more games and YES they trade blows for the most part, sometimes the GTX 470 wins by 6% sometimes the 6870 by 10% or less, many times draw, it's all over the place and depends on the game. Again look through the very few 2 or 3 real world performance reviews and see they are close but the 6870 can be up to 9-10% faster than 470 at times.
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so in the end it is basically a wash and equal to a 6870 when looking at it overall.
 
Anand calls the 470 "several % faster".

At the top end we have the Mexican standoff between the recently price-reduced GTX 470, the newly released Radeon HD 6870, and the overclocked GTX 460 as represented by the EVGA GTX 460 1GB FTW. At $260 the GTX 470 is several percent faster than the 6870, and at only $20 more NVIDIA has done a good job pricing the card. If performance is your sole concern, than the GTX 470 is hard to beat at those prices – though we suspect NVIDIA isn’t happy about selling GF100 cards at such a low price.
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cannondale06 said:
so in the end it is basically a wash and equal to a 6870 when looking at it overall.
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Yes that's if they go around 5-10% faster than GTX 470. That's why I say 15% as I don't think they're looking to draw 6870 at all.

UtopiA said:
Anand calls the 470 "several % faster".
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In Canned benchmarks it's several % faster LOL OR when things aren't even playable on either card but the 1.2gb and memory bandwidth give the 470 a clear lead. Noone would really game at those settings though, but anand is stubborn and keeps doing things the good ol way :D
 
If nvidia wants to make a DUAL GPU GTX 595 or whatever, then a 4GB (2GB x 2) GTX 560x2 would be a good solution.

Thus, it may be a good idea to release a 2GB version for people who want to run SLi and surround.

I'd spring for the vanilla GTX 560 1GB version (256-bit bus, 384 cores) for my simple 1080p needs.

I doubt we'd see anything other than 1GB (and hopefully the aforementioned 2GB) models due to the 256-bit bus.

I'm doubting that these cards will be as good a deal as the current GTX 460 1GB (which I've seen go for as low as $140) or the GTX 470 (which should be comparable).

BUT - maybe if I wait a few months, they'll become a steal :) -- I'm jumping on the next truly great deal I find now that I have some modern DX11 games.

These cards remind me of the GTX 260 core216 (vs the original core192 version). It'll be a similar, slightly better upgrade (just enough faster to be of benefit).
 
Bit-Tech also calls the 470 faster.

We’d certainly plump for the HD 6870 1GB over the GTX 470 1,280MB despite the latter's slightly superior performance
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UtopiA said:
Bit-Tech also calls the 470 faster.
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I'll concede this fact, GTX 470 is definitely faster when they are both overclocked. At stock speeds though they either trade blows or a slight nod to the 6870 in real world testing from the few I've read.
 
Lord_Exodia said:
anand is stubborn and keeps doing things the good ol way :D
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Yes, let's criticize people who have been working in the industry for decades.
Lord_Exodia certainly has far superior knowledge than Anand Lal Shimpi. Sorry, but simply because you prefer HardOCP's benchmarks doesn't put you in the position to crap on other websites.
 
bottom line IMO is that the gtx560 will be around 25% to maybe 30%(at best) faster than the 460 and be slightly faster than the 470 and 6870.
 
UtopiA said:
Yes, let's criticize people who have been working in the industry for decades.
Lord_Exodia certainly has far superior knowledge than Anand Lal Shimpi. Sorry, but simply because you prefer HardOCP's benchmarks doesn't put you in the position to crap on other websites.
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I'll crap on any websites I damn well please :D

On a more serious note their methodology of testing is a Joke so no I don't take anand seriously. They USED to be a good site before I knew better. They have a good and knowledgeable community in their forum's that's about it. And their editors and stuff, nice guys and all but their reviews and results... A BIG MEH!
 
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Lord_Exodia said:
I'll crap on any websites I damn well please :D

On a more serious note their methodology of testing is a Joke so no I don't take anand seriously. They USED to be a good site before I knew better. They have a good and knowledgeable community in their forum's that's about it. And their editors and stuff, nice guys and all but their reviews and results... A BIG MEH!
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and didn't Hardocp give the 5830 a gold award while the rest of the world was like this card is lame? I can point out a few other odd things that have been in reviews on here but whats the point?
 
Anandtech provides a great deal of technical information and their SSD coverage may be the best I've seen.

That said, their video card reviews are just another source of information... still useful, and better than most, but I'd need more data points.

The [H] video card reviews are very useful for what is tested, but a few more tests (games) might put an end to some the criticism. Some standardized, "canned" testing might be useful for those who are demanding - perhaps the maximum playable settings are just at too low a frame-rate for them, and they'd like to see what settings the card can muster at their desired level of performance.

It's almost as if people want video card reviews in 2 parts: 1). [H]: Real World Gameplay, and 2). [H]: Canned, Standardized gameplay

I can't argue with that... but I'd rather just see more games tested with their current methodology.

IMO, any visual setting beneath [H]'s max playable settings will almost certainly be playable, and is of little consequence.

Anyway: GTX 460, 470, 560, or HD 6850... hmm... so many choices for the overclocker (6870 isn't an overclocker's card, and is thus eliminated).

Edit: Heh, and yes, the 5830 was lame. I generally just look at the data, and then several other reviews, and make my own assessment (my criteria differs from [H]'s. I'm not an "out-of-box" consumer.). I also think reviews need to take potential performance (overclocking) into account. This is one of my PRIMARY concerns when purchasing... anything... it makes such a huge difference.
 
Ok lets get this thread back on track.

560 is gonna beat 580 SLI I swear it!!!!!!!
 
With 820MHz clocks, my guesstimate for it's performance is it'll be a little faster than the GTX 470 & HD6870, and about 90-95% the speed of the HD6950
- and my guesstimate for pricing is $249.
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needmorecarnitine said:
you should start your own website
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what should I call it captainobvious.com, everyone should know 560 sli will beat a GTX 580 if you don't what are you doing on [H]ardforum right? ;)

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Yeah they're clearly going after the 6950 here. I'm not sure I agree with most overclocked 460s taking on a 6870, you're looking at hefty overclocks to pull that off (I'd imagine 850mhz+), but at 180W TDP despite the refresh the 560's probably going to be looking at about halfway between the HD5870 and HD6950. That of course depends on how TDP-like the figure really is.
The 768MB GTX460 is meant to be 150W and is about right. The 1GB card is meant to be 160, but seems more like 170-175. The GTX470 is meant to be 215 and is anywhere between that and 275. Likewise the supposedly 250W GTX480 is almost 300.
 
They will need to price this puppy around $240 to be competitive. We know the 6950 can out muscle the 570 in most games at 2560x1600, and that's before the free flash to the 6970. So $240 would be a sweet spot between the 6870 and 6950. Just my guess.
 
alienate said:
They will need to price this puppy around $240 to be competitive. We know the 6950 can out muscle the 570 in most games at 2560x1600, and that's before the free flash to the 6970. So $240 would be a sweet spot between the 6870 and 6950. Just my guess.
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if the 560 is $240 being as fast as it is then the 570 will look like a rip off for $110 more.
 
alienate said:
They will need to price this puppy around $240 to be competitive. We know the 6950 can out muscle the 570 in most games at 2560x1600, and that's before the free flash to the 6970. So $240 would be a sweet spot between the 6870 and 6950. Just my guess.
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http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6950/29.html
At 2560x1600 the 570 is 5% faster and beats the 6950 in 10 out of 15 games are you confused? I had both cards the 570 is worth the extra 50$ thats one reason why the 6950 is gone.
 
I personally rate the GTX570 almost identical to the HD6950, in a calculation I worked out based on HardOCP's data (which applies to 2560x1600, the geforce will do slightly better at lower resolutions) it comes out 2% on top. They're basically interchangeable, except for multi-GPU scaling and memory of course, which are in the radeon's favour. On a card versus card basis this makes the HD6950 the better card, especially since it's cheaper. There's no reason to buy the 570 instead unless you need an nvidia-specific feature, or only play nvidia-biased games like Mafia.
 
I was always an ATI guy but I like my 570 more than my old 6950 because its better at my resolution-1080p ,Physx impressed me in Batman/Mafia(my last nvidia was a 6800gt), I like the controll panel better, fells more stable, overclocks better, more consistent performance across many games, better IQ, EVGA, cooler, quieter, folding, and better tessellation performance. I have no desire to go multi-gpu again after my 6870 xfire experience or go multi monitor so the 2 advantages of going AMD this round dont interest me. So yeah I disagree. I owned both cards and took my time chosing what one I would give my bro for xmass.
 
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If the GTX 560 is priced around $250 then I'll buy 2 of them for SLI to compliment my new i7 2600k build nicely. The only thing that still concerns me is the 1GB VRam. :(
 
exlink said:
If the GTX 560 is priced around $250 then I'll buy 2 of them for SLI to compliment my new i7 2600k build nicely. The only thing that still concerns me is the 1GB VRam. :(
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you need to wait on 2gb models for 4320x900.
 
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